Taurine for life extension -- if you're old already why wait for the research on humans?

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

are you on trt to ? 

TRT is not a good idea, unless absolutely necessary.

 

The body produces testosterone as it produces sperm. With TRT, the body stops producing sperm (and possibly reduces desire for doing the deed). Also, when the body finds it has sufficient testosterone, it stops producing it, and may lose its ability to produce it. That means people who go off TRT might not be able to produce their own anymore.

[sirineou]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Would it really be so crazy for such people to take taurine supplements now?

Thank you for bringing this subject to our attention. Certainly a worthwhile subject. 

Following with interest. 

If there are no adverse side effects, I don't see why not try it. 

 

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, bunnydrops said:

During my Uni years, I lived near an Indian Reservation (US). One day, one of the Indian locals came down the street with a cast on his leg. I asked him what had happened. He pointed to the fourth-floor window across the street and said he fell out of the window backward. He said Thank God he was drunk at the time or he surely would have died.

Also perhaps off topic, but in a similar vein, please bear with me.

 

A tour guide was taking some tourists on a trip of the Australian outback. He was extolling the phenomenal tracking skills of the Aboriginal people when they came across one lying with the side of his face pressed to the road surface: "See fellah, tell us what you know?"

 

"About two kilometres up the road there is an old Toyota pick up, with six fellahs in the back drinking wine. It has a stuffed Kangaroo strapped to the roof of the cab, and one of the stereo speakers is distorted!"

 

"Amazing, and how can you tell us all that?"

 

"About four minutes ago I fell off the back of it!"

 

I doubt whether taking Taurine will really make you live longer...

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

TRT is not a good idea, unless absolutely necessary.

 

The body produces testosterone as it produces sperm. With TRT, the body stops producing sperm (and possibly reduces desire for doing the deed). Also, when the body finds it has sufficient testosterone, it stops producing it, and may lose its ability to produce it. That means people who go off TRT might not be able to produce their own anymore.

 

mask up side effects, when I was really struggling with inflamation most likely due to stress, leading to chronic pain, inmobility, obeesity, low vitamin d, and low T and I used to be a professional athlete and a healthy outdoor lifestyle. 

 

started TRT lost 16kg, and got my life back. Now 8 years going strong like 35 years again, and lift the same weights I did at 28 years. 250mg T every 17 - 21 days, or 40mg gel a day depending on Im in Thailand or in my orign country. 

 

I cant stop TRT, once you start, there is no way back after 6 months or more depending on dose of course and your own production, but steady healthy T is essential for mood, energy together with in my opinion a balanced healthy diet. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

So many bits of accepted wisdom were never put to the test. Today's current billionaire class seems to want to maximize the time they get to enjoy their billions, so they are funding all sorts of research.

 

Researchers try to isolate for different factors, kind of like doing a laboratory regression analysis. Surprising to many has been the decreased importance of diet, within reason. Yes, limit sugar, limit processed foods and foods with pesticides or polluted with industrial metals (like almost all seafood), but heavy exercise seems to come out as #1.

 

Look at photos of Bezos, Zuckerberg, even Musk from few years ago, and today. Bezos in particular has gotten sculpted and buff. Zuckerberg less so, but he's more cut than before. Same with Musk. They paid for the research, and they're paying attention.

I have a friend in Chiang Mai who does an hour of gym work every morning without fail. Has done for many years.

I would not say he is buff. However, he is 93 years old.

[QuantumQuandry]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I have a friend in Chiang Mai who does an hour of gym work every morning without fail. Has done for many years.

I would not say he is buff. However, he is 93 years old.

 

So you are saying...we should move to Chiang Mai?  🙃

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, QuantumQuandry said:

 

So you are saying...we should move to Chiang Mai?  🙃

Do not give up your day job.

[QuantumQuandry]

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Do not give up your day job.

 

I am retired.  This is my day job.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

What fool would want to live forever?

We all have a 'sell by date'. Accept it.

I have had a great life and will live it to the full until it stops. Or until it is no longer great.

Hope everyone out there had the Songkran that they wanted.

Not forever. 

Longer? Why not if you're healthy enough to enjoy it.

I had an older relative who finally had everything well set up, financially very secure for many decades if she had that long, in a very happy housing situation with lots of social interaction, friends, even probably lovers. It lasted only a few years. What a waste. Another 20 years would have been wonderful. 

[Jingthing]

6 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Where can one get Taurine in Thailand,do I have to order online?

What is the dosage ?

 

 

I assume in a well stocked supplement shop but I buy everything online anyway.

I'm not aware of a recommended dose for potential life extension as this would be considered experimental at this time. Does anyone have more info on dosage?

[Jingthing]

Some other points I have gleaned --

 

Getting taurine by eating lots of meat is not a good idea because that would be a high cholesterol diet. But sure eat meat if you like it.

 

There has been a study on monkeys that was favorable. Obviously monkeys are very close to humans compared to mice.

 

As said before, do not OD on energy drinks!

 

There is a medical consensus that Taurine supplementation is a very bad idea for young people. But this topic is about those already old.

 

I asked why not? Well one reason is the nature of supplements. Not really regulated. Is this dose really the dose on the label? Are there are added toxic ingredients on top of the taurine if it is even taurine. So far, that seems like the best reason not to do it. Though the very same could be said about ALL supplements and many of us (including me) take other supplements!

 

 

 

[SheungWan]

Taurine tablets are available from Holland and Barrett shops in the UK. I think they cost about £7 for 30. In the Body Builder section of the shop if I remember from last year. I started taking them and then chucked the remainder after a painful side effect. Maybe it was not mixing too well with the rest of my meds. Anyway, stopped them and the side pain receded. 

[BigStar]

9 hours ago, bendejo said:

Yeah, maybe a waste of money but there is no other way to find out if it will work for you.

 

Having no control, you'll never know if it worked or not, unless you find noticeable improvement in your blood markers. Those might, or can, be due to a change of diet and/or exercise. 

 

You may compare yourself w/ your peers, but so many different factors makes it almost meaningless, except for the obvious: e. g., their obesity vs your normal weight. Frustrating thing about taking supplements . . . .

[BigStar]

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

When it comes to aging, genes is still the major factor. 

 

No. Avoid the Genetics Voodoo, one of the ANF Longevity Principles. Saps motivation.

 

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Total protein pr day lean body mass pr kg 1g if you do not work out, and if you work out

 

Seniors need more:

 

Research suggests that protein requirements may be higher in older adults. Researchers recommend that older adults consume 1-1.2 grams of protein per kilogram body weight.

     --https://acl.gov/sites/default/files/nutrition/Nutrition-Needs_Protein_FINAL-2.18.20_508.pdf

 

6 hours ago, Hummin said:

 

Todays breakfest after 20 min walk with the dog

 

 

Is that sugary orange juice?

 

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Getting taurine by eating lots of meat is not a good idea because that would be a high cholesterol diet

 

Dietary cholesterol translating to high blood cholesterol is debunked but often repeated by the misinformed. It's about like that Chinese belief that eating tiger penis soup will increase virility.

 

[BigStar]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If you're already old ,,,,,,, why would you want to live any longer in your worn out body?

 

Exactly. So if, being already old, you have a bad accident on your bike, say, a hit-and-run, go ahead and bleed out on the street. Why spend all that money and time fighting your Fate clearly telling you that your time's up? WOT?

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

 

 

Is that sugary orange juice?

 

30g wey Protein smoothie with fruit from farm with fruit meat of course. Today mango and banana 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Dietary cholesterol translating to high blood cholesterol is debunked but often repeated by the misinformed. It's about like that Chinese belief that eating tiger penis soup will increase virility.

 

That's debatable.

[BigStar]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

That's debatable.

 

And in any case the focus on high cholesterol and statins is misguided. Focus on that triglyceride/HDL ratio.

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Seniors need more:

 

Research suggests that protein requirements may be higher in older adults. Researchers recommend that older adults consume 1-1.2 grams of protein per kilogram body weight.

     --https://acl.gov/sites/default/files/nutrition/Nutrition-Needs_Protein_FINAL-2.18.20_508.pdf

 

 

 

I just wonder from where do the g pr kg Body Weight comes from, which is very difused recomandation, and doesnt say anything about comp0sition of mass or activity level, or precaution because of kidney function ofte combined with several medictation taken when older. 

 

 

[BigStar]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I just wonder from where do the g pr kg Body Weight comes from, which is very difused recomandation, and doesnt say anything about comp0sition of mass or activity level, or precaution because of kidney function ofte combined with several medictation taken when older. 

 

 

 

Dig around and you can find the research, as I did some years ago. Protein supplementation being bad for kidneys has been debunked. Not aware of contraindications w/ medicine.

 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Dig around and you can find the research, as I did some years ago. Protein supplementation being bad for kidneys has been debunked. Not aware of contraindications w/ medicine.

 

There is plenty of researches, and you can pick exactly what suits you. 

 

Seniors should not drink to much protein shakes, but eat protein rich food was one research I read refered to. and also several researches point to if lowered kidney function, 0,6 to 0,8 g protein pr kg body mass another one I read. But as said, you will find any research about protein fit your view, so, again up to us a users to find out what fits us. Im quite happy with my body mass, and my protein intake so no need for me to change anything there, and on the conservative side even I do 12 hours a week exercise where 6 hours is heavy weigh lifting. 

[BigStar]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

There is plenty of researches, and you can pick exactly what suits you. 

 

Speak for yourself. Many authorities here do just read Google links and excerpts. Me, I read critically and thorougly, even to the responses and addendum and footnotes. I also consider the biases of the researchers, as many are affilitated with interested parties.

 

So first there's the research and then the view is formed, not the reverse, as you favor. Well, if you know, you know, so nothing more to be said. 🙂 

[BigStar]

6 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

What fool would want to live forever?

 

Trivializing by exaggeration isn't an argument.

 

6 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

We all have a 'sell by date'. Accept it.

 

Why not postpone and shorten the period of chronic morbidity that precedes the sell by date and so increase the probabilty of moving that date forward? I've known many now who reached that date at least a decade before they would have had they taken better care of their bodies.

 

6 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

I have had a great life and will live it to the full until it stops.

 

Our ANF Life Coaches approve and will applaud if you end it in the optimal style. The ideal to aim for is that short but happy life ending with a smile on one's face during a bonk. Have the Viagra pack half empty on your bedside table as evidence for CSI: ANF to investigate, as with that Frenchman: Viagra found next to dead Frenchman. More important than the death, really.

 

If you can't do that, then die at the table, like that Swiss guy in Jomtien a few years ago who choked to death on his noodle soup at age 57. 👍

 

That means avoiding stress, notably, the stress of any dieting or exercise. Couple of obese friends of mine did that, happily ate themselves to death ages 72 and 74. But NOT the stress of running after docs, meds, pharmacies--and paying all those medical bills. 

 

[AreYouGerman]

7 hours ago, Hummin said:

are you on trt to ? 

 

Not yet, but this year.

 

The TRT clinic I went to said 200mg per week as starting point with 3 injections per week to keep estrogen low. I saw your TRT with 250mg every 3 weeks. That's a very old style of administering it as the half life is only 7-8 days depending on the Esther. And a big load also spikes the e2 levels.

[AreYouGerman]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Getting taurine by eating lots of meat is not a good idea because that would be a high cholesterol diet. But sure eat meat if you like it.

 

Cholesterol by food is debunked since... I don't know, 30 years?

[AreYouGerman]

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

TRT is not a good idea, unless absolutely necessary.

 

The body produces testosterone as it produces sperm. With TRT, the body stops producing sperm (and possibly reduces desire for doing the deed). Also, when the body finds it has sufficient testosterone, it stops producing it, and may lose its ability to produce it. That means people who go off TRT might not be able to produce their own anymore.

 

TRT is a very good idea if you want to feel like an 18 yo after the age of 40. Also, the TRT regimes usually include HCG which keeps the balls filled with fertility but some choose not to do it because they don't want kids anyway. TRT is usually a life long decision as you are doing TRT because you have low Testosterone and without TRT it will be low again.

[Neeranam]

Why would you want to extend your life? It's quality not quantity that matters and determines how you come back. 

[AreYouGerman]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Why would you want to extend your life? It's quality not quantity that matters and determines how you come back. 

 

That overlaps, though. The stuff that helps you being active and help leading a quality life later on is also helping with longevity.

[Jingthing]

31 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

Cholesterol by food is debunked since... I don't know, 30 years?

Do what you want.

 

This topic really isn't about whether a mostly red meat diet is good for you or not.

It's about taurine maybe helping with longevity, etc.

 

The link below suggests a quite large dose (3,000 milligrams. !!!) that is considered safe, but nobody knows what the optimal dose would be to possibly get a longevity benefit, and of course that would vary based on the individual. So trying this is experimentation.

 

 

 

8 Foods High in Taurine and Why You Need It (webmd.com)

 

1. Beef. Beef is rich in nutrients and amino acids, including taurine. While a high intake of red meats is linked to greater rates of chronic diseases, most people can have two to three servings a week without much risk. With these servings, you’ll add about 40 milligrams of taurine to your meal.