UK Links Asylum Policy to Channel Migrant Issue Amidst Row with Ireland

[Scouse123]

34 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I suggest you provide the full quote in future and do not edit out the last sentence!

The full quote is;

Full Fact writes: "A lot depends here on how to interpret which country people are 'coming directly from'.

"It could be argued, for instance, that as the people crossing the channel are coming directly from France - which is not the country they initially fled - they don’t have the right to claim asylum in the UK.

"However, in 1999 a UK judge ruled that 'some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum'.

 

I have highlighted your omission above!

 

Never saw that ' omission ' but it changes nothing.

 

Honestly, some of you on here appear to gloat about the difficulties and strains on resources that the UK is having with these illegal migrants.

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

Never saw that ' omission ' but it changes nothing.

BS!

You look up a link read the three sentence paragraph and never saw or read the last paragraph?

Edited May 2 by scottiejohn

[Scouse123]

37 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I suggest you provide the full quote in future and do not edit out the last sentence!

The full quote is;

Full Fact writes: "A lot depends here on how to interpret which country people are 'coming directly from'.

"It could be argued, for instance, that as the people crossing the channel are coming directly from France - which is not the country they initially fled - they don’t have the right to claim asylum in the UK.

"However, in 1999 a UK judge ruled that 'some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum'.

 

I have highlighted your omission above!

 

Well, we have seen the attitude and the viewpoint the government in the UK is taking.

 

RWANDA, and the sooner, the better.

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

BS!

 

 

Suit yourself!

 

Give up your house for a family of illegal refugees if you feel so much inclined.

[Scouse123]

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

BS!

You look up a link read the three sentence paragraph and never saw or read the last paragraph?

 

It was completely a new paragraph and separated by a huge chunk of advertising and continued afterward, that's how it was missed.

 

Be slightly dumb to miss out something deliberately to allow AN detectives like you to jump all over an error, wouldn't it?

 

Anyway, that was one judge's interpretation of it in 1999, and that's what it was interpretation.

 

Now, it is all clear with laws in place to send them elsewhere.

[Purdey]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

You shouldn't seize on isolated incidents to try and taint the British servicemen in World War ll.

 

There were obviously different attitudes then to now, and you can't put modern twists and values on historical events.

 

I mean, when the Americans came over and were based in the UK, they expected the British to follow through with their ' color segregation bars'  and the like, but were firmly rebuffed.

 

Let's be honest, there are still instances now in 2024, where people are criticized and castigated in foreign countries for not speaking the local language, preferring their own

You missed the point. It is the same racialist drivel today as it was then.

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Well, we have seen the attitude and the viewpoint the government in the UK is taking.

 

RWANDA, and the sooner, the better.

14 years of failure, hundreds of £millions of UK tax payers’ money flushed down the drain.

 

Yep, seen it.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

14 years of failure, hundreds of £millions of UK tax payers’ money flushed down the drain.

 

Yep, seen it.

If no illegals, there would be no need to spend money, would there, but of course your lefty lot would have done better, paid for them all to have a house..........

[transam]

I think it funny that now the illegals have found out they are going to be shipped to Africa, they are now heading to Ireland in fear......🤣

 

The Africa thing has sent a clear message, which may deter the channel crossing, and they settle for the EU mainland...Hoorah......

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, transam said:

If no illegals, there would be no need to spend money, would there, but of course your lefty lot would have done better, paid for them all to have a house..........

There are migrants, and there are significantly more than there were when this failing Government came to power.

 

Having done nothing about the problem other than watch it grow the Government now engage in performative action which is little more than pushing even more UK tax payers’ money down the Tory sewer.

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are migrants, and there are significantly more than there were when this failing Government came to power.

 

Having done nothing about the problem other than watch it grow the Government now engage in performative action which is little more than pushing even more UK tax payers’ money down the Tory sewer.

 

 

Your lot stood in the way of fixes, your lot are on the beaches with sandwiches and cups of tea..........

Your lot got what they wanted, now complaining because they are not in power..😂

[Scouse123]

40 minutes ago, transam said:

Your lot stood in the way of fixes, your lot are on the beaches with sandwiches and cups of tea..........

Your lot got what they wanted, now complaining because they are not in power..😂

 

Absolutely right.

[Chomper Higgot]

46 minutes ago, transam said:

Your lot stood in the way of fixes, your lot are on the beaches with sandwiches and cups of tea..........

Your lot got what they wanted, now complaining because they are not in power..😂

My lot?

 

 

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

My lot?

 

 

Yes.......Your lot, bring them all in, plenty of room..........

[Scouse123]

26 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes.......Your lot, bring them all in, plenty of room..........

 

 

Yup,

 

Then guys like him will be crying and blaming everybody else, especially the Tories, when they can't get housing, hospital beds, school places or improvements to infrastructure, because the whole budget has been spent looking after illegals, non-binary, and all the rest of the woke nonsense and helping them enjoy the' rich cultural diversity' courtesy of the likes of Sadiq Khan and co.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Yup,

 

Then guys like him will be crying and blaming everybody else, especially the Tories, when they can't get housing, hospital beds, school places or improvements to infrastructure, because the whole budget has been spent looking after illegals, non-binary, and all the rest of the woke nonsense and helping them enjoy the' rich cultural diversity' courtesy of the likes of Sadiq Khan and co.

It's what she/he does..........

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Yup,

 

Then guys like him will be crying and blaming everybody else, especially the Tories, when they can't get housing, hospital beds, school places or improvements to infrastructure, because the whole budget has been spent looking after illegals, non-binary, and all the rest of the woke nonsense and helping them enjoy the' rich cultural diversity' courtesy of the likes of Sadiq Khan and co.

Well those are all the problems 14 years of failing Tory Government have delivered.

 

 

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

It was completely a new paragraph and separated by a huge chunk of advertising and continued afterward, that's how it was missed.

 

Be slightly dumb to miss out something deliberately to allow AN detectives like you to jump all over an error, wouldn't it?

 

Anyway, that was one judge's interpretation of it in 1999, and that's what it was interpretation.

 

Now, it is all clear with laws in place to send them elsewhere.

As I inferred at the outset, illegal migration is a Europe-wide problem and imo it therefore needs Europe-wide cooperation to find a lasting and sustainable solution(s).

 

The FACT remains that there is no "rule" (EU or UK) that refugees must be returned to the first safe country they entered and simply doing so will not solve the problem. All it will do is sour relations between ourselves and our European neighbours.

[James105]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well those are all the problems 14 years of failing Tory Government have delivered.

 

It makes no difference who is in government, they are all participants of the same Ponzi growth scheme.   Labour will continue this trend of bringing in low skilled migrants on the flawed basis that more people equals more growth.  It's a house of cards that will come crashing down at some point and then we will end up with a genuinely far right government as people finally wake up and realise that the establishment parties do not represent them.   Low skilled imported labour is only a growth scheme for the already rich.   GDP per capita (the figure that matters most for household incomes) has been going downwards for years.  

[transam]

On 5/1/2024 at 8:16 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a strange take on my view.

 

The UK has its borders back (although loss of control over the borders was always a myth) and the Government of over 14 years that boasts of getting those borders back has promptly lost all control of the borders.

 

And not just immigration.

 

While you are being distracted by small boats, the UK has near zero customs controls at the southern ports, smugglers are having a field day and the exchequer is missing out on millions in duty owed.

 

It’s chaos.

 

And it’s all down to the failure of this 14 year long Tory tenure.

 

 

No, it's down to the illegal immigrants, that you want to come to the UK, for those freebies, that your lot will provide........😉

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

No, it's down to the illegal immigrants, that you want to come to the UK, for those freebies, that your lot will provide........😉

 

What on earth are banging on about?

 

If you’ve got a problem with immigrants in the UK take it up with the failing Tory Government, but don’t hang about, they won’t. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

It makes no difference who is in government, they are all participants of the same Ponzi growth scheme.   Labour will continue this trend of bringing in low skilled migrants on the flawed basis that more people equals more growth.  It's a house of cards that will come crashing down at some point and then we will end up with a genuinely far right government as people finally wake up and realise that the establishment parties do not represent them.   Low skilled imported labour is only a growth scheme for the already rich.   GDP per capita (the figure that matters most for household incomes) has been going downwards for years.  

It makes a huge difference.

 

Your crystal ball needs a clean.

[James105]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It makes a huge difference.

 

Your crystal ball needs a clean.

 

No, it does not.  GDP per capita has been going downwards for years.  It will continue to go down as Labour will continue to allow the importation of both legal and illegal low skilled or no skilled immigrants to support the growth of the already rich at the expense of the poor.  One day the people of the UK will realise they are participating in a migration Ponzi scheme and will vote for it to end.   At that point you will scratch your head wondering how it came to be that the UK elected its equivalent of Victor Orban.   

 

If Labour come in and put a stop to low/no skilled and illegal migration only then will there will be a difference between the 2 parties.  I cannot personally see that happening - can you?

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

No, it does not.  GDP per capita has been going downwards for years.  It will continue to go down as Labour will continue to allow the importation of both legal and illegal low skilled or no skilled immigrants to support the growth of the already rich at the expense of the poor.  One day the people of the UK will realise they are participating in a migration Ponzi scheme and will vote for it to end.   At that point you will scratch your head wondering how it came to be that the UK elected its equivalent of Victor Orban.   

 

If Labour come in and put a stop to low/no skilled and illegal migration only then will there will be a difference between the 2 parties.  I cannot personally see that happening - can you?

There’s gaping gaps between the two parties.

 

Look at the state of the NHS now compared to 15 years ago.

 

The current Government are making promises of unfounded tax cuts and spending approaching £100Billion.

 

That on top of the highest tax take since WW2.

 

Schools falling apart, public transport failing, rivers polluted, cronyism skimming billions, police failing to attend crime scenes, hospital waiting lists, dentists (if you can find one), and of course immigration out of control.

 

Not in the news, near zero important checks on goods with the risk of disease to UK farming.

 

Oh and trashing the UK’s tariff free access to EU markets, something nobody voted for 

 

I look forward to the election.

 

 

Edited May 2 by Chomper Higgot

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s gaping gaps between the two parties.

 

Look at the state of the NHS now compared to 15 years ago.

 

The current Government are making promises of unfounded tax cuts and spending approaching £100Billion.

 

That on top of the highest tax take since WW2.

 

Schools falling apart, public transport failing, rivers polluted, cronyism skimming billions, police failing to attend crime scenes, hospital waiting lists, dentists (if you can find one), and of course immigration out of control.

 

Not in the news, near zero important checks on goods with the risk of disease to UK farming.

 

Oh and trashing the UK’s tariff free access to EU markets, something nobody voted for 

 

I look forward to the election.

I'm not convinced it's the Conservatives fault.

Generally, the whole western world appears to be sliding downhill.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I'm not convinced it's the Conservatives fault.

Generally, the whole western world appears to be sliding downhill.

They’ve been in Government for over 14 years. 
 

I’d start with that as a cause.

[BritManToo]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

They’ve been in Government for over 14 years. 
 

I’d start with that as a cause.

But they aren't the government of all western countries.

They just happen to be in power at the end of civilisation as we know it.

Nothing anyone, anywhere can do to change that.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

But they aren't the government of all western countries.

They just happen to be in power at the end of civilisation as we know it.

Nothing anyone, anywhere can do to change that.

This end of civilization as we know it thing isn’t actually a thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

This end of civilization as we know it thing isn’t actually a thing.

So why is everywhere getting worse?

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, James105 said:

 

It makes no difference who is in government, they are all participants of the same Ponzi growth scheme.   Labour will continue this trend of bringing in low skilled migrants on the flawed basis that more people equals more growth.  It's a house of cards that will come crashing down at some point and then we will end up with a genuinely far right government as people finally wake up and realise that the establishment parties do not represent them.   Low skilled imported labour is only a growth scheme for the already rich.   GDP per capita (the figure that matters most for household incomes) has been going downwards for years.  

It's all going to change in the next few years as AI robotics takes over low skilled jobs, and then high skilled jobs. All those bodies will still be there and will be on the dole as low skilled workers will have nothing an employer needs.

It's like the numpties in charge don't keep up with new developments in technology.