37 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

China Obsever is not anti China it's anti CCP

So you admit it’s not impartial. 

 

39 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Are you saying the footage in this YT video is fake?

The car looks like no BYD full EV I know, certainly nothing being imported to Thailand, what model is it? 
 

Do you have the same story published by a reputable source?

 

40 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

tomazbodner has shown otherwise

No he hasn’t see my reply to him

 

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What about this story....

Did you read it? There was a reference to electric motorbikes might possibly have been responsible. We are discussing Electric Cars here. I have never said cheap electric bikes, scooters, skateboards etc are safe.

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

An interesting video is linked but here's a screen shot of BYD quality.

 

 

Oh my God, here we go again.

1. That is not a BYD.

2. That is not an EV.

3. It is not real.
4. It is a stunt from a movie set.

5. Did you not think it odd that people were filming before it happened and didn't flinch once?
 

The mind boggles about how gullible people are who will swallow anything no matter how ridiculous - as long as it fuels their anti Chinese / anti EV viewpoint.

And that awful YouTuber posts it as fact that this was an EV vehicle that exploded while charging. And morons lap it up without question. It is very very sad.

9 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

I power the house and my EVs from solar.

 

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Now you can factor in out of all the people in Thailand that have EV's how many charge solely by solar

I am on the grid, but just bought an MG4 and am upgrading my solar system from 5 to 10 Kw so I can run my home charging station without drawing from the grid during peak PV generation hours.

 

+1 EV owner powering his car predominantly by solar. 

 

it's not really a fair comparison, govt subsidies being reduced in the uk but not in thailand. public charging in the uk can be up to 10 times more expensive than charging at home, plus 20% sales tax in public places against 5% at home.

 

the EV cheap motoring option is pretty much over in the uk, i suspect the ev market in thailand is more in its infancy and will follow a similar trend when govt subsidies reduce and profiteering by public charging stations kicks in.

 

 

13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

An interesting video is linked but here's a screen shot of BYD quality.

 

 

 

 

That vehicle exploding was a movie stunt scene.  Sterzel (sepentza) has no credibility and has had many of his facts overturned as fake.  Don't believe YouTube!

 

12 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

Aha...https://thethaiger.com/news/national/week-old-electric-car-worth-over-a-million-baht-unexpectedly-catches-fire-at-udon-thani-mall-charging-point

 

That was just to set record straight. Personally, I like BYD Seal... a lot.

 

 

There was no fire, that was an air conditioning system leak due to a short circuit, what you could see was white fumes, at no point did anything catch fire and it happened in the part of the car shared with ordinary ICE vehicles.

 

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

China Obsever is not anti China it's anti CCP and why would Chinese imports be any different from the cars in China. Are they made to a different level for the export market? Are you saying the footage in this YT video is fake? Plenty of other articles and videos that show very similar things. As for your very confident statement "I am also on several Thai BYD groups and can confirm there has not been one single BYD explosion or significant fire here." @tomazbodner has shown otherwise. This happened when charging so there was obviously a quality issue.

https://www.nationthailand.com/special-edition/ev/40030792

What about this story....

"Bangkok’s governor has ordered an urgent review of all premises in the capital storing EV vehicles and batteries after a serious fire on Wednesday night gutted a building in the Chatuchak area of the city."

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2023/09/09/ev-vehicle-concerns-after-bangkok-fire-bangkok-governor-chadchart/

 

 

 

Yes, the footage in that video is fake.  

 

The statistics are clear, EV's are between 13 and 140 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE.

Do electric cars pose a greater fire risk than petrol or diesel vehicles? | Automotive industry | The Guardian

 

19 hours ago, transam said:

A link would be nice, could be interesting..........☺️

 

It was posted here, I think under the news section as it's own topic by one of journos here.

22 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

was it JP Morgan? It was one of the big American financial firms who paid experts to rip a BYD Seal apart, and then they informed German manufacturers that they were in trouble, big trouble, because the Chinese car was incredibly well-made and very high-quality.

 

21 hours ago, transam said:

A link would be nice, could be interesting..........☺️

 

 

This six and half minute video gives a overview/summary of the UBS report.

 

23 hours ago, Lee65 said:

Source?

A week or so ago AN published a thread where they wrote now their articles are an AI generated mix from other articles.

After that thread became pretty busy, they deleted it...

On 5/8/2024 at 12:14 AM, it is what it is said:

 

it's not really a fair comparison, govt subsidies being reduced in the uk but not in thailand. public charging in the uk can be up to 10 times more expensive than charging at home, plus 20% sales tax in public places against 5% at home.

 

the EV cheap motoring option is pretty much over in the uk, i suspect the ev market in thailand is more in its infancy and will follow a similar trend when govt subsidies reduce and profiteering by public charging stations kicks in.

 

 

I’m guessing from your comment that you don’t own an EV. Majority of EV owners charge at home, at very cheap rates, whether here ,or in the UK. I have done 9,000 kms in my Dolphin in the 5-6 months since I bought it. I’m yet to charge at a public CS. Charging at home for most people should cost around Thb 300-350 for a range of about 400-440 km. Even if a certain amount is done at public CS, this is still significantly cheaper than the equivalent 600-800 baht for an ICEV.

 

Even in the UK, public charging is getting cheaper as Tesla opens up more and more of their stations to non-Tesla owners. Other CPO’s will have to reduce their prices gradually. So EV motoring even in the UK will continue to be cheaper than petrol.

23 hours ago, Pib said:

This six and half minute video gives a overview/summary of the UBS report.

 

Thanks @Pib  this is an excellent short and sweet summary.
 

I am surprised nobody has commented. Maybe they are stunned into silence 🤐 

 

I own a BYD Seal Performance and for the money it’s the best car I’ve ever driven.
 

It only means that the Thais (mostly naive people not interested in reading books and learning from the past) are more susceptible to the tech hype than the Europeans (mostly interested in history and greedy). Just give them some more time. 

 

Edited May 9, 20242 yr by Hellfire

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

It only means that the Thais (mostly naive people not interested in reading books and learning from the past) are more susceptible to the tech hype than the Europeans (mostly interested in history and greedy). Just give them some more time. 

 

So your theory is that Thais are naive, uneducated and susceptible to tech hype.

 

My theory is that EVs are cheaper here in Thailand than in Europe so represent better value for money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Thanks @Pib  this is an excellent short and sweet summary.
 

I am surprised nobody has commented. Maybe they are stunned into silence 🤐 

 

I own a BYD Seal Performance and for the money it’s the best car I’ve ever driven.
 

I think we know why no-one has replied, right @transam?

I read that the reason the EV sales are down so much in the EU and US is that the people who are going to buy an EV have already done so, and whatever sales are left are the stragglers to the EV market or the first owners getting new cars. 

They won't be selling as much as when they first came out unless something totally different happens IE; 1000 mile battery, price drop, etc.

 

Asia still has alot of customers left, but eventually the same thing will happen. 

I think the ORA is a really good looking vehicle, and the quality isn't bad for the price point.

EVs   hmm  a dubious product  promoted by Politicians  and  deranged activists  and the Groans  ,   Get real  EVs are expensive   crap tech  soon to be replace with HYSE  ICE  and Fuel cells .

26 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

EVs   hmm  a dubious product  promoted by Politicians  and  deranged activists  and the Groans  ,   Get real  EVs are expensive   crap tech  soon to be replace with HYSE  ICE  and Fuel cells .

Pish & Tosh

 

Hydrogen cars in any format are 4 or 5 times more expensive per kilometer than EV’s.

 

EV’s will always be the premium product.

1 hour ago, liddelljohn said:

EVs are expensive   crap tech  soon to be replace with HYSE  ICE  and Fuel cells .

Can’t get your brain around EVs or the fact that H2 is never going to be the future. 

Can’t construct an argument because you fail to support it with any evidence

 

https://insideevs.com/news/716100/us-hydrogen-car-sales-2024q1/
 

What they don’t tell you about H2 (Source Mirai Club YT)

 

 

 

How much range for $180?

 

 

My EV can drive that 348 miles (560km) for free from my home solar.

 

 

Edited May 9, 20242 yr by Bandersnatch

3 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

EVs   hmm  a dubious product  promoted by Politicians  and  deranged activists  and the Groans  ,   Get real  EVs are expensive   crap tech  soon to be replace with HYSE  ICE  and Fuel cells .

Hey, to each their own. If you want a HYSE ICE and can afford it, go buy one. Don’t come here asking where to fill it up though.

liddeljohn has watched too many Toyota-sponsored hydrogen powered propaganda videos.    But if liddeljohn does buy a HYSE vehicle he needs to live close to "the one and only hydrogen filling station in Thailand"...in the Chonburi area....a prototype station setup by PTT and Toyota in late 2022.  Don't know the pricing of the hydrogen fuel but I'm sure it's HIGH!

https://www.pttplc.com/en/Media/News/Content-31497.aspx

8 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

I think we know why no-one has replied, right @transam?

Hello? @transam? You asked for the link in a dismissive way, you got it. What are your thoughts? Hellooooooo?

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Hello? @transam? You asked for the link in a dismissive way, you got it. What are your thoughts? Hellooooooo?

Good morning JB, and a lovely one it is too.............🤗

12 minutes ago, transam said:

Good morning JB, and a lovely one it is too.............🤗

 

Yes it is. A lovely day to make yourself a cup of tea, sit outside, enjoy the sunshine, watch the video you asked for, then let us know what you thought about it. 

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Yes it is. A lovely day to make yourself a cup of tea, sit outside, enjoy the sunshine, watch the video you asked for, then let us know what you thought about it. 

I must report to you because you say so........😂

I don't think so, JB.....

1 minute ago, transam said:

I must report to you because you say so........😂

I don't think so, JB.....

 

Come on, don't be a hypocrite, you're better than that.

 

Tell us what you think about that video?

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Come on, don't be a hypocrite, you're better than that.

 

Tell us what you think about that video?

I don't need to report my thoughts to you, either. 

My thoughts are my own......😉

Just now, transam said:

I don't need to report my thoughts to you, either. 

My thoughts are my own......😉

 

You specifically asked for that video, someone spent a lot of time researching & finding it for you, and this is the best you can do?

 

 

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

You specifically asked for that video, someone spent a lot of time researching & finding it for you, and this is the best you can do?

 

 

Yes it is...............🤗

1 minute ago, transam said:

I don't need to report my thoughts to you, either. 

My thoughts are my own......😉

 

Says it all. 

You didn't believe someone who summarised the video and you asked for a link. You got the link which supports the summary given an all of a sudden you don't want to share your opinion despite having asked for it.

Magnanimity is not one of your strong points is it...
 

Just now, josephbloggs said:

 

Says it all. 

You didn't believe someone who summarised the video and you asked for a link. You got the link which supports the summary given an all of a sudden you don't want to share your opinion despite having asked for it.

Magnanimity is not one of your strong points is it...
 

Why should I share my thoughts with you or anyone else............

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Says it all. 

You didn't believe someone who summarised the video and you asked for a link. You got the link which supports the summary given an all of a sudden you don't want to share your opinion despite having asked for it.

Magnanimity is not one of your strong points is it...
 

 

Neither is integrity, apparently