Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[johng]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Who are "they" and do you have a link for that statement?

 

 

[johng]

The price worth paying in Ukrainian life  is hard to find  almost like it was erased from history..if memory serves it was Blinken..that said it but maybe Victoria Nulan  i'll find it eventually and post here eventually.

[Wobblybob]

20 minutes ago, johng said:

 

 

No where in that video does it say that "Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !"

So you have fabricated another story, why can't you be honest?

 

 

58 minutes ago, johng said:

They have openly stated that degrading Russia economically and militarily is the goal and that Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !

quite disgusting really.

 

 

[johng]

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

No where in that video does it say that "Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !"

So you have fabricated another story, why can't you be honest?

Does it not say that the goal is to weaken Russia in that video ?  why can't you be honest ?

 

I have said that finding the other part of my statement is proving a bit difficult due to memory holing.

I'll find it eventually  with no help from your best friend at Google.

[transam]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Does it not say that the goal is to weaken Russia in that video ?  why can't you be honest ?

 

I have said that finding the other part of my statement is proving a bit difficult due to memory holing.

I'll find it eventually  with no help from your best friend at Google.

😂..........Nice twist, no cigar, easily spotted fail.......🙄..........😂

 

[Wobblybob]

12 minutes ago, johng said:

Does it not say that the goal is to weaken Russia in that video ?  why can't you be honest ?

 

I have said that finding the other part of my statement is proving a bit difficult due to memory holing.

I'll find it eventually  with no help from your best friend at Google.

You lied!

[transam]

Just now, Wobblybob said:

You lied!

Of course, dodgy critters these Reds under the bed..................

[Wobblybob]

13 minutes ago, johng said:

Does it not say that the goal is to weaken Russia in that video ?  why can't you be honest ?

 

I have said that finding the other part of my statement is proving a bit difficult due to memory holing.

I'll find it eventually  with no help from your best friend at Google.

You have to have a good memory to be a good liar, you are suffering from amnesia!

[johng]

7 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You have to have a good memory to be a good liar, you are suffering from amnesia!

Does the video I posted say that the goal is to weaken Russia ?

simple question yes or no answer.

 

I'm not a liar,however my memory is not photographic

( to remember website URL's of everything that is supposed to be Googles job)

 

But I do remember seeing said video..

You will of course retract your accusation when I post the video of whomever it was stating that the Ukrainian losses are worth it ?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Does the video I posted say that the goal is to weaken Russia ?

simple question yes or no answer.

 

I'm not a liar,however my memory is not photographic

( to remember website URL's of everything that is supposed to be Googles job)

 

But I do remember seeing said video..

You will of course retract your accusation when I post the video of whomever it was stating that the Ukrainian losses are worth it ?

Stand down, please................

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Does the video I posted say that the goal is to weaken Russia ?

simple question yes or no answer.

 

I'm not a liar,however my memory is not photographic

( to remember website URL's of everything that is supposed to be Googles job)

 

But I do remember seeing said video..

You will of course retract your accusation when I post the video of whomever it was stating that the Ukrainian losses are worth it ?

You claimed something that was not in your link and now you try and worm your way out of it like a disingenuous poster you are, stop fabricating your own facts!

[johng]

18 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You lied!

No  the video I posted clearly sates the goals of the US  to weaken Russia  I will post evidence for the other half of my statement  forthwith.

 

you will of course withdraw and apologise for your  "you lied" statement when I post evidence for both statements ?

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, johng said:

No  the video I posted clearly sates the goals of the US  to weaken Russia  I will post evidence for the other half of my statement  forthwith.

 

you will of course withdraw and apologise for your  "you lied" statement when I post evidence for both statements ?

You wrote it, you own it, you can't even be honest when confronted with your own post!

 

1 hour ago, johng said:

They have openly stated that degrading Russia economically and militarily is the goal and that Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !

quite disgusting really.

 

Liar!

[transam]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

You wrote it, you own it, you can't even be honest when confronted with your own post!

 

Liar!

Well played, Sir.............

[johng]

2 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You claimed something that was not in your link and now you try and worm your way out of it like a disingenuous poster you are, stop fabricating your own facts!

 

I am not fabricating my own facts

 

You really are in your own world....

part of my "claim"  is that one aim of the war is to weaken Russia militarily  and economically.

The video  I posted clearly shows that as true  listen to what the US defence secretary said   "we want to see Russia weakened" 

 

 

 

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, johng said:

 

I am not fabricating my own facts

 

You really are in your own world....

part of my "claim"  is that one aim of the war is to weaken Russia militarily  and economically.

The video  I posted clearly shows that as true  listen to what the US defence secretary said   "we want to see Russia weakened" 

 

 

 

Stop back peddling, you lied!

[johng]

5 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You wrote it, you own it, you can't even be honest when confronted with your own post!

When I find the video you will of course apologise ?

notice you do not reference US secretary of defence statement on weakening Russia  is that a lie too ?

[Wobblybob]

Just now, johng said:

When I find the video you will of course apologise ?

notice you do not reference US secretary of defence statement on weakening Russia  is that a lie too ?

I saw no reference to the statement of which you claimed that "Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !

quite disgusting really.".  You purposely lied because that's what you do!

 

 

[johng]

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Stop back peddling, you lied!

Rubbish I said I can't find the video  backing the other half of my claim

you however have not acknowledged that the US defence secretary said

"we want to see Russia weakened"  why not ?

[johng]

Just now, Wobblybob said:

You purposely lied because that's what you do!

Are you some sort of bot ?   I repeatedly told you I am looking for the video it is hard to find as it has been memory holed  if not a bot then what ?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Are you some sort of bot ?   I repeatedly told you I am looking for the video it is hard to find as it has been memory holed  if not a bot then what ?

Are you calling me names also, you are twisting stuff, you should stand down..................🤔

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Rubbish I said I can't find the video  backing the other half of my claim

you however have not acknowledged that the US defence secretary said

"we want to see Russia weakened"  why not ?

"I can't find the video backing the other half of my claim" How convenient, may be because it doesn't exist.

And I am not questioning you what was not said rather than what was said. You are are 24 carat troll! 

Stop making posts up and you'll avoid posters questioning your lies!

 

[rabas]

50 minutes ago, johng said:

No  the video I posted clearly sates the goals of the US  to weaken Russia  I will post evidence for the other half of my statement  forthwith.

 

you will of course withdraw and apologise for your  "you lied" statement when I post evidence for both statements ?

The worst lies are half truths.

 

What he said, all in one sentence, was they want to see  Russia weakened so it can't do things like attacking Ukraine.  Well, duh. How else can you keep Putin out of Ukraine?  You are trying to make a mountain out of vacuum.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

We have now troops in Asia, middle east, Africa, on the boarder to Russia in Lithuania and also training personell in Ukraine. 

Do you think that is a good idea? I do not. NZ apparently has a lot of troops overseas as observers, which IMO is acceptable, but I don't agree to western nations picking sides around the world or that contributing to the military industrial complex is a good deal for the tax payer.

 

I absolutely think we need defense forces, but they should stay at home and not be teaching other nations how to kill people.

Defense forces are essential in natural catastrophes, if nothing else.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, rabas said:

The worst lies are half truths.

 

What he said, all in one sentence, was they want to see  Russia weakened so it can't do things like attacking Ukraine.  Well, duh. How else can you keep Putin out of Ukraine?  You are trying to make a mountain out of vacuum.

 

When it involves using other country's men to do the dying, that is an abomination, IMO.

Either go for it- WW3, Armageddon, the end, or stop interfering in other people's conflicts to enrich your own arms industry with tax payer money. It's vile and immoral IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, johng said:

Are you some sort of bot ?   I repeatedly told you I am looking for the video it is hard to find as it has been memory holed  if not a bot then what ?

Something beginning with T, perhaps.

[johng]

14 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

"I can't find the video backing the other half of my claim" How convenient, may be because it doesn't exist.

And I am not questioning you what was not said rather than what was said. You are are 24 carat troll! 

Stop making posts up and you'll avoid posters questioning your lies!

 

 

It was harder to find because I was thinking of Blinken or Nulan

but it was neither.

 

the video

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12133561/Lindsey-Graham-says-Russians-dying-best-money-spent-meeting-Zelensky.html

 

the "fact check"

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lindsey-graham-russians-dying/

 

The transcript

 

Graham: The things you do for your country.

Zelenskyy: Thank you very much for your coming. Thank you very much. Thanks United States, people of the United States for all big support, President Biden, bipartisan support, Congress, and (inaudible) thank you so much.

Graham: Bipartisan support.

Zelenskyy: Yes, it's very important, so we appreciate for... We know that from (inaudible) we have total support. It's $38 billion, and big, big support. Very important.

Graham: It's the best money we've ever spent.

Zelenskyy: Thank you so much.

Graham: Now, we're on four hundred... let's see, this is the 457th day of a war that was supposed to last three days. You amaze me. Your country amazes me.

Zelenskyy: It's about our people and all of your people. Your people help our people ...all our appreciations.

Graham: You remind me of our better selves in America, that there was a time in America that we were this way, fighting until the last person, we're gonna be free or die.

Zelenskyy: Free or die.

Graham: Free or die.

Zelenskyy: Now you are free.

Graham: Yes.

Zelenskyy: And we will be.

Graham: And the Russians are dying.

Zelenskyy: Yes, but they came to our territory.

Graham: Yeah.

Zelenskyy: We are not fighting on their territory.

 

 

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, johng said:

 

It was harder to find because I was thinking of Blinken or Nulan

but it was neither.

 

the video

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12133561/Lindsey-Graham-says-Russians-dying-best-money-spent-meeting-Zelensky.html

 

the "fact check"

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lindsey-graham-russians-dying/

 

The transcript

 

Graham: The things you do for your country.

Zelenskyy: Thank you very much for your coming. Thank you very much. Thanks United States, people of the United States for all big support, President Biden, bipartisan support, Congress, and (inaudible) thank you so much.

Graham: Bipartisan support.

Zelenskyy: Yes, it's very important, so we appreciate for... We know that from (inaudible) we have total support. It's $38 billion, and big, big support. Very important.

Graham: It's the best money we've ever spent.

Zelenskyy: Thank you so much.

Graham: Now, we're on four hundred... let's see, this is the 457th day of a war that was supposed to last three days. You amaze me. Your country amazes me.

Zelenskyy: It's about our people and all of your people. Your people help our people ...all our appreciations.

Graham: You remind me of our better selves in America, that there was a time in America that we were this way, fighting until the last person, we're gonna be free or die.

Zelenskyy: Free or die.

Graham: Free or die.

Zelenskyy: Now you are free.

Graham: Yes.

Zelenskyy: And we will be.

Graham: And the Russians are dying.

Zelenskyy: Yes, but they came to our territory.

Graham: Yeah.

Zelenskyy: We are not fighting on their territory.

 

 

That has nothing to do with what you claimed!

I can read what other people say, but you cannot backup what you said. Your sole purpose is to twist posts to make your narrative more believable and I'm afraid you have failed big time! This is my last post on this subject, you have been proven to have lied time after time but you are so disingenuous you just won't admit it!

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16 hours ago, johng said:

They have openly stated that degrading Russia economically and militarily is the goal and that Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !

quite disgusting really.

 

 

[johng]

5 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

That has nothing to do with what you claimed!

I can read what other people say,

 

You obviously can't understand what you read or admit you are wrong and like to call other people liars and trolls  even when presented with the video evidence.

 

7 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

This is my last post on this subject

good !

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, johng said:

 

You obviously can't understand what you read or admit you are wrong and like to call other people liars and trolls  even when presented with the video evidence.

 

good !

You shouldn't be so dishonest, you have still not provided a link for this claim.

 

"Ukrainian losses are well worth the price !"

 

Just admit you made a mistake and move on.