Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Mavideol]

finally!!!!!!!!! although partially but still a step forward

 

Biden partially lifts ban on Ukraine using US weapons to strike Russia

https://au.yahoo.com/news/biden-partially-lifts-ban-ukraine-211522228.html

Joe Biden allows Ukraine to use US weapons in strikes on Russia - reports

https://au.yahoo.com/news/joe-biden-allows-ukraine-us-203734426.html

 

[Mavideol]

it did make me laugh, but again we all know he's delusional

 

Putin Has Revealed A Bizarre Belief About Polish Troops Helping Ukraine

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-revealed-bizarre-belief-polish-144730639.html

 

[Mavideol]

treats more treats, that's what he's all about

Putin Hints at Bombing Other ‘Densely Populated’ Nations

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-hints-bombing-other-densely-160720370.html

 

[Mavideol]

double post removed

Edited May 31 by Mavideol

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/30/2024 at 4:18 PM, Seppius said:

Two senior Biden administration officials Wednesday opened the door to allowing Ukraine to use American-donated weapons to strike inside Russia.

The move, if made, would come as European allies, lawmakers and Ukrainian officials exert pressure on the White House to lift the restrictions, and as Russia has made major advances on the battlefield.

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/29/biden-aides-signal-openness-to-allowing-ukraine-to-strike-russia-with-us-weapons-00160462

 

It's called "escalation" and will likely end up MAD. European leaders will be able to observe the blackened remains of their cities as they emerge from their shelters and be able to say, "we had to destroy the country to save it from Putin".

Bunch of numpties IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

More westerm Wunderwaffe that hit's the stark reality of the front and that highlights the strategic and logistical nightmare of the vast menagerie of wetern kit, often outdated , sometimes in bad condition , without cyrillic labelling or extensive training hits the organised chaos of front lines. F16s will join that in due course should they ever materialise. We are heading to a Korean outcome with an effective undeclared armistice and frozen lines that will be fortified like no other and the new defacto Ukraine will be the result. No one will have won but Russia is never coming back to Europe and the Sino-Russian alliance has been born from those ugly ashes. Democracy and the rule of law are not a given , dark ages often follow a period of enlightment and that is what his happening now.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/us-abrams-tanks-amor-failing-ukraine-1905927

Does anyone in European leadership understand the consequences of this proxy war, win or lose? Do they care?

 

Pity about the Abrams, LOL.

Tanks are the new battleships of warfare- nice juicy targets to air power.

They say that planners always plan for the last war, and it seems that saying is 100% right.

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's called "escalation" and will likely end up MAD. European leaders will be able to observe the blackened remains of their cities as they emerge from their shelters and be able to say, "we had to destroy the country to save it from Putin".

Bunch of numpties IMO.

Are we all doomed?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, rabas said:

 

That could be that is Russian propaganda...  Wait!   It is!   [reference] 

 

I knew because you never have references. 

It wasn't written as a fact. Didn't need references.

[rabas]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

15 hours ago, rabas said:

That could be that is Russian propaganda...  Wait!   It is!  [reference]   I knew because you never have references. 

It wasn't written as a fact. Didn't need references.

 

What the poster knew is neither relevant nor knowable. His slanderous soundbite is broadly known to be Russian propaganda. So it is correct to mention and probably required in this thread.

 

I also see a few posters claim somethings are MSM propaganda without reference, but you never object to that. 

 

[Seppius]

51 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's called "escalation" and will likely end up MAD. European leaders will be able to observe the blackened remains of their cities as they emerge from their shelters and be able to say, "we had to destroy the country to save it from Putin".

Bunch of numpties IMO.

If that happens, it will all be down to one man who could stop this "MAD" right now, today. IMHO

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Seppius said:

If that happens, it will all be down to one man who could stop this "MAD" right now, today. IMHO

Nah. Putin knows if he backs down on this the US and it's allies will seize on it to hurt Russia.

He was likely committed to seeing it through the day he sent the tanks into Ukraine.

If he wins, the rewards are enormous- he'll have the eastern Ukraine and Crimea, he'll be popular in Russia, NATO will not be going into Ukraine, he'll be able to say he gave the US and Europe a black eye, he'll have damaged western economies and it'll be a long time before the US tries this again.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

What the poster knew is neither relevant nor knowable. His slanderous soundbite is broadly known to be Russian propaganda. So it is correct to mention and probably required in this thread.

 

I also see a few posters claim somethings are MSM propaganda without reference, but you never object to that. 

 

Rubbish. It was not posted as a fact, so your opinion on his post is not relevant.

 

You assume I read every post in every topic on this forum, LOL.

 

I do tell some posters that need to post a link to do so, but I guess you missed those, LOL.

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. It was not posted as a fact, so your opinion on his post is not relevant.

 

You assume I read every post in every topic on this forum, LOL.

 

I do tell some posters that need to post a link to do so, but I guess you missed those, LOL.

The number of times Putin haters ask for links and references outnumber those who have objective views by 10:1.
 

Similar ratio of Russian vs Ukrainian casualties 🤣

[RayC]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's called "escalation" and will likely end up MAD. European leaders will be able to observe the blackened remains of their cities as they emerge from their shelters and be able to say, "we had to destroy the country to save it from Putin".

Bunch of numpties IMO.

 

"Putin will be able to observe the blackened remains of Russia as he emerges from his shelter and be able to say, "I had to destroy the country to save it from the West"."

 

Does that make any more sense?

[Gweiloman]

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

treats more treats, that's what he's all about

Putin Hints at Bombing Other ‘Densely Populated’ Nations

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-hints-bombing-other-densely-160720370.html

 

Well, if you can’t intimidate them with threats, then try enticing them with treats…

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's called "escalation" and will likely end up MAD. European leaders will be able to observe the blackened remains of their cities as they emerge from their shelters and be able to say, "we had to destroy the country to save it from Putin".

Bunch of numpties IMO.

No problem, Putin always backs down.

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does anyone in European leadership understand the consequences of this proxy war, win or lose? Do they care?

 

Pity about the Abrams, LOL.

Tanks are the new battleships of warfare- nice juicy targets to air power.

They say that planners always plan for the last war, and it seems that saying is 100% right.

 

How many tanks has Russia lost in this war?

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

How many tanks has Russia lost in this war?

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say…. less than Ukraine.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

How many tanks has Russia lost in this war?

 

Graph from here.

Data  from Oryx

[Gweiloman]

After a hard day’s work, I have the chance to relax with a double Royal Salute on the rocks and watching some real, factual news on the TV. It got me thinking about some of the claims of the haters.

 

Among them, an unprovoked invasion to which I ask, to what purpose? Land grab? Ridiculous as Russia is already the biggest country in the world with an unimaginable amount of resources. One particularly outlandish claim was that Putin feared being overthrown if the Russian people could see how Ukraine could prosper by joining the EU and its citizens would become free and prosperous. Obviously that poster doesn’t know geography too well as Russia shares a border of over 1,000 km with Finland, arguably one of the freest and most prosperous country on earth. Russia also shares a border with China which is the greatest economic miracle the world has ever seen.

 

Russia started this SMO with just a couple of hundred thousand troops. Contrary to what some might think, Russia knows warfare very well. Even a non-military person like me knows that that is insufficient to take over a country the size of Ukraine. Obviously the objective was something else. I believe it was to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table which it did. If Russia had wanted to take over Ukraine, then surely they wouldn’t have bothered with negotiations so early on in the conflict. March 2022, a mere few weeks after the start of the SCO, I believe.

 

This series of events seem to support the notion that Russia had genuine security concerns about the intentions of NATO, led by a country that benefits from wars and conflicts all over the world. This is also a view supported by the global majority as well as a lot of renowned American and European scholars, military analysts and veterans.

 

Question is where does this end? Further escalation, ending in nuclear Armageddon as per @connda’s new thread? Problem is that the west is so caught up in their own hubris that they can’t admit they were wrong. Interesting times ahead. Oops, need a refill.

[Gweiloman]

14 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Graph from here.

Data  from Oryx

A link! Must be true then. I take it that Ukraine is winning?

[rabas]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. It was not posted as a fact, so your opinion on his post is not relevant.

 

You assume I read every post in every topic on this forum, LOL.

 

I do tell some posters that need to post a link to do so, but I guess you missed those, LOL.

 

Mine was posted as fact. So, not opinion.

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say…. less than Ukraine.

And you would be wildly wrong.

 

The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a London-based defence- and security-focused think-tank, believes Russia has lost at least 3,000 tanks during its Ukraine campaign. The open-source intelligence site Oryx puts the number at just under 2,850 as of the end of February.

 

Note that Oryx uses videos and photos to confirm kills.

 

And Ukraine hasn't had close to 3,000 tanks to lose in this war.

 

Edited May 31 by Danderman123

[Seppius]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

After a hard day’s work, I have the chance to relax with a double Royal Salute on the rocks and watching some real, factual news on the TV. It got me thinking about some of the claims of the haters.

 

Among them, an unprovoked invasion to which I ask, to what purpose? Land grab? Ridiculous as Russia is already the biggest country in the world with an unimaginable amount of resources. One particularly outlandish claim was that Putin feared being overthrown if the Russian people could see how Ukraine could prosper by joining the EU and its citizens would become free and prosperous. Obviously that poster doesn’t know geography too well as Russia shares a border of over 1,000 km with Finland, arguably one of the freest and most prosperous country on earth. Russia also shares a border with China which is the greatest economic miracle the world has ever seen.

 

Russia started this SMO with just a couple of hundred thousand troops. Contrary to what some might think, Russia knows warfare very well. Even a non-military person like me knows that that is insufficient to take over a country the size of Ukraine. Obviously the objective was something else. I believe it was to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table which it did. If Russia had wanted to take over Ukraine, then surely they wouldn’t have bothered with negotiations so early on in the conflict. March 2022, a mere few weeks after the start of the SCO, I believe.

 

This series of events seem to support the notion that Russia had genuine security concerns about the intentions of NATO, led by a country that benefits from wars and conflicts all over the world. This is also a view supported by the global majority as well as a lot of renowned American and European scholars, military analysts and veterans.

 

Question is where does this end? Further escalation, ending in nuclear Armageddon as per @connda’s new thread? Problem is that the west is so caught up in their own hubris that they can’t admit they were wrong. Interesting times ahead. Oops, need a refill.

 

Really you are funny, there was a status que till Russia invaded Ukraine, which was working well.

 

Now Russia will get everything it deservers, losing ships, tanks and hardware faster than they can replace them, NATO now thinks Russia is a joke, corruption in a mega scale, nothing hardly works, they are allowing western weapons to hit Russia because Russia is so weak

 

Even China is not backing them up, Russia is a joke IMHO

 

I understand you are probably Russian or have a connection to the country, but Putin has ****** your country

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

After a hard day’s work, I have the chance to relax with a double Royal Salute on the rocks and watching some real, factual news on the TV. It got me thinking about some of the claims of the haters.

 

Among them, an unprovoked invasion to which I ask, to what purpose? Land grab? Ridiculous as Russia is already the biggest country in the world with an unimaginable amount of resources. One particularly outlandish claim was that Putin feared being overthrown if the Russian people could see how Ukraine could prosper by joining the EU and its citizens would become free and prosperous. Obviously that poster doesn’t know geography too well as Russia shares a border of over 1,000 km with Finland, arguably one of the freest and most prosperous country on earth. Russia also shares a border with China which is the greatest economic miracle the world has ever seen.

 

Russia started this SMO with just a couple of hundred thousand troops. Contrary to what some might think, Russia knows warfare very well. Even a non-military person like me knows that that is insufficient to take over a country the size of Ukraine. Obviously the objective was something else. I believe it was to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table which it did. If Russia had wanted to take over Ukraine, then surely they wouldn’t have bothered with negotiations so early on in the conflict. March 2022, a mere few weeks after the start of the SCO, I believe.

 

This series of events seem to support the notion that Russia had genuine security concerns about the intentions of NATO, led by a country that benefits from wars and conflicts all over the world. This is also a view supported by the global majority as well as a lot of renowned American and European scholars, military analysts and veterans.

 

Question is where does this end? Further escalation, ending in nuclear Armageddon as per @connda’s new thread? Problem is that the west is so caught up in their own hubris that they can’t admit they were wrong. Interesting times ahead. Oops, need a refill.

Good post, but it'll go over the heads of those that believe the western propaganda- baaaah.

 

IMO Biden, or the neocons that IMO control him, decided they could bleed Russia, like they did in Afghanistan, and started a proxy war. End result- as usual, a gigantic mess, and only the 1% profit from it. Ukraine comes out of this a loser, even if they succeed in making Putin give up. A nation full of grief for the thousands of young men that died for the west's hatred of Russia.

When it's all over, will it have been worthwhile? So long as MAD didn't happen, not for anyone but the 1%. If the madmen escalate us into MAD, we all lose.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Mine was posted as fact. So, not opinion.

 

In which case you were required to post a link to support it, hmmmmm!

 

Were you not just complaining that he hadn't posted a link to support his opinion?

Edited May 31 by thaibeachlovers

[Gweiloman]

7 hours ago, Seppius said:

 

Really you are funny, there was a status que till Russia invaded Ukraine, which was working well.

 

Now Russia will get everything it deservers, losing ships, tanks and hardware faster than they can replace them, NATO now thinks Russia is a joke, corruption in a mega scale, nothing hardly works, they are allowing western weapons to hit Russia because Russia is so weak

 

Even China is not backing them up, Russia is a joke IMHO

 

I understand you are probably Russian or have a connection to the country, but Putin has ****** your country

Pretty much every single one of your points are incorrect and made up from your own imagination.

 

For example, thinking that I’m probably Russian (wrong) or that I have a connection to the country (wrong, unless you consider an ex-gf a connection. Tenuous at best).

 

As for China not backing them up, where have you been these past few weeks? Did you not see the red carpet welcome? Did you not see the… HUG?

 

This is what happens when you start to make baseless assumptions without proper research and knowledge. You get everything wrong.

[Gweiloman]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

And you would be wildly wrong.

 

The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a London-based defence- and security-focused think-tank, believes Russia has lost at least 3,000 tanks during its Ukraine campaign. The open-source intelligence site Oryx puts the number at just under 2,850 as of the end of February.

 

Note that Oryx uses videos and photos to confirm kills.

 

And Ukraine hasn't had close to 3,000 tanks to lose in this war.

 

So I take it that Ukraine is winning?

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

So I take it that Ukraine is winning?

Not yet.

 

It's early yet.

[Gweiloman]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Not yet.

 

It's early yet.

You think they will ever? Without NATO troops?