RobU Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 As the passenger in the BBC video states (link below) "There was no warning" https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cw449nldrwlo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) *** Edited May 23 by RobU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpy Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 '' this emergency landing led to injuries of 30 passengers and the death of one '' .... it was the turbulance that caused the injuries and death, not the landing !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Airlines all recommend keeping seat belts fastened when seated. Clearly many did not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 20 hours ago, how241 said: Seat belts should be required to be worn at all times, except for going to the bathroom. They have bathrooms on Singapore Airline aircraft? First Class perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I think some of the contributors to this thread have been trying to engage in a weird form of victim blaming. Trying to make out that it was the passengers fault that they were injured. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg71 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/bangkok-officials-block-australian-patient-from-voicing-singapore-airlines-criticism-20240523-p5jg4n.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 4 hours ago, Purdey said: Airlines all recommend keeping seat belts fastened when seated. Clearly many did not. Bear in mind this was during meal service. It was also just a couple of hours from arrival time Quote normal that at that point, many people get up to use the bathroom, brush their teeth etc, re-adjust their carry-ons etc, knowing that there is limited time left to do so. Also that far (10 hours or more) into such a long flight, some people are sound asleep, and some people find it hard to comfortably sleep seat-belted in. And, that far into a flight, people feel the need to move around. DVT prevention is one reason, many of us have back issues as well that make this a necessity. This incident is a good reminder of the importance of being seat belted as much as possible, but let's not take it to the extreme of blaming the passengers. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 59 minutes ago, greg71 said: https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/bangkok-officials-block-australian-patient-from-voicing-singapore-airlines-criticism-20240523-p5jg4n.html Despicable but worth noting, for those who may not bother to read the article, that this was done by hospital personnel apparently on orders of hospital administration. No indication that Singapore Airlines is in any way involved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 8 hours ago, superal said: I have seen recommended by doctors , to avoid DVT on long haul flights . 1/ Take a baby aspirin to thin your blood , prior to the flight . ( Sheryl's opinion / endorsement is welcomed ) 2/ Exercises for your legs can be done when seated and belted . Yes , walking around for 1 minute every hour was also stated but will put you at risk from turbulence events . Even normal ( scary ) turbulence can cause you to fall through loss of balance . Yes, aspirin will help for this IF you have no contraindications (bleeding disorder, gastritis, history of stomach ulcers). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 11 hours ago, RobU said: 'And moments later' The operative phrase There was no warning no time to put on seatbelts Interviews I have seen with passengers variously stated no seat belt sign and that seatbelt light came on. All seem to agree no announcement (not surprising given how unexpected and serious the event was, pilot would have been busy coping with it and sending out distress call/request for emergency landing first). I suspect that what may be the case was that light come on but virtually simultaneous to the event at which point no one had time to react...in fact those not already seat-belted were already being catapulted about. May have come on automatically, I think that is programmed to happen? But in that case would have been only as the plane started its extreme movements. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Georgealbert Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 Agree on some points, but passengers seem to be saying this was a short event, that may have lasted only about 10 seconds. Thai video link with a passengers account posted above. The accounts of when/if the seat belt light came/was on will always differ, but it will be verified during the investigation, from both the data and cockpit voice recorders The event was very violent, described as like being on a roller coaster, hence the injuries. A pilot analyse I posted above stated that the reduction of height was standard procedure, in turbulence. The pilots priority would be flying the aircraft and they would be unaware of the injuries until cabin crew update them. After becoming aware of the injuries the pilot used a transponder Squawk Code 7700, which indicates an emergency to ATC (Air Traffic Control). Once the flight has been stabilised the pilot informed ATC that it had a mass casualty emergency event and wished to divert to BKK, and required medical support to be on standby. BKK Airport/AOT (Airports of Thailand) put into place their emergency response plan, with RVP (Rendezvous Point) for responders in the car park, with AOT staff and escort vehicles meeting them, a forward incident command post was set up at the airport fire station. Initial triage started on the aircraft, but a full triage area was soon set up below the plane, as can be seen in the pictures with the colour coded tents. A link to a story and pictures of AOT 1 medical team, which led the medical response is below. (This may be in Thai, but my iPad automatically translates). https://www.thaipbs.or.th/news/content/340270 A crisis command centre would be set up in the terminal, with senior officers and officials, who would be liaising with the emergency command post, hospitals, Singapore Airlines, Embassies and government. The full facts will be covered by the investigation, and I would expect an interim report will not take that long, as the plane and ‘black boxes’ are easily accessible. Thailand seems to be leading the investigation throught the Ministry of Transport, CAAT (Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand) and AAIC (The Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee of Thailand). They will be supported by teams from USA, NTSB (National Transport Safety Board), as a Boeing aircraft and also Singapore’s TSIB (Transport Safety Investigation Bureau). 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paris333 Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 I usually do not wear seat belt in planes except during take off and landing when the red light is blinking in the cabin of the passenders. Its my principles particularly for Thai region I wear my seat belt on the plane after 3 hours departing from Qatar airport and as the plane approaches Thai shores I wear my seat belt and continue my relaxing nap. At my car I always wear my seat belt as well as helmet when I drive my motorcycle in capital of Athens. ..................................................................................................................................................................................... Samitivej Hospital' updates on 40 patients from plane crash, still being treated. Dr. Adinan said that the number of injured persons still being treated at Samitivej Srinakarin Hospital is 41 cases, 19 males and 22 females, consisting of 10 British nationals, 9 Australians, 7 Malaysians, 4 Filipinos, United States: 2 cases, New Zealand: 2 cases, Myanmar, Ireland, Israel, South Korea, Singapore🤠, Spain, 1 case per nationality, of which 41 cases have improved and 1 case has been sent home, leaving 40 patients still being treated. Dr. Adinan said that there were 22 cases of spinal and spinal cord injuries, 6 cases of skull and brain injuries, and 13 cases of bone, muscle, and other injuries. The patients had already undergone surgery. 17 cases included 5 cases of cervical spine surgery, 4 cases of thoracic spine surgery, and 8 cases of torn wound repair. The patients received surgery and were treated with supportive care. Source: https://siamrath.co.th/n/538460 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 16 hours ago, RobU said: 'And moments later' The operative phrase There was no warning no time to put on seatbelts One of the news articles mentioned that the plane sharply rose 100 feet, then dropped 300 feet and subsequently made a pilot-controlled descent of 6,000 feet. Question to the aviators: did the sharp, uncontrolled ascent automatically activate the seatbelt signs or did a member of the cockpit crew have to do it manually? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 hours ago, Puccini said: One of the news articles mentioned that the plane sharply rose 100 feet, then dropped 300 feet and subsequently made a pilot-controlled descent of 6,000 feet. Question to the aviators: did the sharp, uncontrolled ascent automatically activate the seatbelt signs or did a member of the cockpit crew have to do it manually? Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 8 hours ago, Sheryl said: Interviews I have seen with passengers variously stated no seat belt sign and that seatbelt light came on. All seem to agree no announcement (not surprising given how unexpected and serious the event was, pilot would have been busy coping with it and sending out distress call/request for emergency landing first). I suspect that what may be the case was that light come on but virtually simultaneous to the event at which point no one had time to react...in fact those not already seat-belted were already being catapulted about. May have come on automatically, I think that is programmed to happen? But in that case would have been only as the plane started its extreme movements. I quite agree... On nearly every flight I am on there is an announcement at the beginning of the flight... "the seatbelt sign has been turned off, we advise that you remain in your seat with the seatbelt fastened to protect yourselves in the event on unexpected movements"... (or something similar). The crew of the Flight Deck obviously turn on the seatbelt signs when they can see some weather on their radar, however, there is also clean air turbulence which cannot be seen or predicted - hence keeping on the seatbelts -------- I used to be very slack up until about 15 years ago or so and then kept my seatbelt fastened, even when sleeping etc. And now, with our Son, if he's lying on the seat, or across a couple of seats we'll ensure to keep a seatbelt fastened over him... After this incident, I'm guessing anyone on a plane will now do the same... One real concern - taking a poop when such an event happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserted Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Is it really possible to die on an airplane? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 23 minutes ago, Deserted said: Is it really possible to die on an airplane? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserted Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, Puccini said: Yes. I bet you they gave him a dodgy meal, and that did it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
still kicking Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, Deserted said: I bet you they gave him a dodgy meal, and that did it. You are sick that guy died on a heart attack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris333 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Pilot Explains the Science of Turbulence | WSJ Booked 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 9 hours ago, Paris333 said: I usually do not wear seat belt in planes except during take off and landing when the red light is blinking in the cabin of the passenders. Its my principles particularly for Thai region I wear my seat belt on the plane after 3 hours departing from Qatar airport and as the plane approaches Thai shores I wear my seat belt and continue my relaxing nap. At my car I always wear my seat belt as well as helmet when I drive my motorcycle in capital of Athens. ..................................................................................................................................................................................... Samitivej Hospital' updates on 40 patients from plane crash, still being treated. Dr. Adinan said that the number of injured persons still being treated at Samitivej Srinakarin Hospital is 41 cases, 19 males and 22 females, consisting of 10 British nationals, 9 Australians, 7 Malaysians, 4 Filipinos, United States: 2 cases, New Zealand: 2 cases, Myanmar, Ireland, Israel, South Korea, Singapore🤠, Spain, 1 case per nationality, of which 41 cases have improved and 1 case has been sent home, leaving 40 patients still being treated. Dr. Adinan said that there were 22 cases of spinal and spinal cord injuries, 6 cases of skull and brain injuries, and 13 cases of bone, muscle, and other injuries. The patients had already undergone surgery. 17 cases included 5 cases of cervical spine surgery, 4 cases of thoracic spine surgery, and 8 cases of torn wound repair. The patients received surgery and were treated with supportive care. Source: https://siamrath.co.th/n/538460 Well you’re silly then as clearly turbulence hits any time. Was on the flight not long before this happened but have always made a point of strapping in and also not wonder around the cabin as some typically older folk do. You’re blasting along in a tube at 1000kph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) Singapore Airlines update 7 Edited May 23 by Georgealbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GanDoonToonPet Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Don't know if it's been said but the plane fell on the passengers head not the other way round...guess it depends on your frame of reference. I was at Phnom Penh airport, waiting to board my VietJet flight to BKK, when I first heard of it. Flight was only delayed by 1 hour which is pretty good considering what was happening at BKK. RIP to my fellow countryman 👋 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 8 hours ago, Puccini said: One of the news articles mentioned that the plane sharply rose 100 feet, then dropped 300 feet and subsequently made a pilot-controlled descent of 6,000 feet. Question to the aviators: did the sharp, uncontrolled ascent automatically activate the seatbelt signs or did a member of the cockpit crew have to do it manually? Given the age of this aircraft, it is not clear what type of switch is fitted on this 777, but if fitted the automatic switch will have 3 settings; Seat belt sign switch ON: the “fasten seat belt” and the “return to seat” signs come on in the cabin. Seat belt sign switch AUTO the signs automatically come on in the cabin when; the slats are extended, or the landing gear is extended, or the link to the aircraft systems detects something like turbulence. Seat belt sign switch OFF, the signs are off. The switch is operated manually from the cockpit, but the sign can also be turned on from the cabin crew panel. Full details will be in the investigation report. This is taken from a previous report, into a similar turbulence event involving a Singapore Airlines aircraft, which recommended improving their turbulence management guidelines. Edited May 23 by Georgealbert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerGuy Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 On 5/21/2024 at 1:46 PM, KhunBENQ said: I would not be surprised if the whole plane has to be written off due to structural damage? What is so funny mentioning about the plane having structural damage & might need to be & most probably a write off?? Some people on here have a sick sense of humour, The mind truly fkn boggles at these idiots !! RIP to those that sadly died 🙏🏽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 This picture of the aircraft’s flight data, clearly shows that media reports of a massive drop are wrong, the aircraft hit some short violent turbulence, which throw the unbelted passengers/crew around and then the aircraft did a controlled descent, from 37,000 feet to 31,000 feet, at a steady rate of about 2000 feet per minute, which is normal pilot technique to escape bad weather or maybe Air Traffic Control (ATC) required it after the pilot requested the divert to BKK. Turbulence will cause the height of the airplane to fluctuate +/- no more than 100-500 feet. The higher value being considered very severe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerGuy Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 10 minutes ago, Georgealbert said: This picture of the aircraft’s flight data, clearly shows that media reports of a massive drop are wrong, the aircraft hit some short violent turbulence, which throw the unbelted passengers/crew around and then the aircraft did a controlled descent, from 37,000 feet to 31,000 feet, at a steady rate of about 2000 feet per minute, which is normal pilot technique to escape bad weather or maybe Air Traffic Control (ATC) required it after the pilot requested the divert to BKK. Turbulence will cause the height of the airplane to fluctuate +/- no more than 100-500 feet. The higher value being considered very severe. I'm not debating how it happened I'm saying the mentality of some people on here is questionable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HammerGuy said: I'm not debating how it happened I'm saying the mentality of some people on here is questionable! Sorry my post was not aimed at your comment, which I fully agree with. Was just posting an analyses of some data posted in an aviation forum. Edited May 24 by Georgealbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 5 hours ago, Deserted said: I bet you they gave him a dodgy meal, and that did it. some stupid posters on here still 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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