Popular Post shipwrecked Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Walker88 said: This always seem to be forgotten, both on this Forum and by many Americans (though I assume the ones who forget are in the lower economic strata and lack the skills to offer value in the modern, tech economy) When the convicted felon entered office: 4.8% unemployment growing GDP $19 trillion National Debt When he left: 6.8% unemployment a Recession $27.5 trillion in National Debt First President since Herbert Hoover to leave office with fewer Americans employed than when entering office Rising trade deficit with China As for Biden, he inherited all that ^ American Carnage, but so far: *Highest GDP growth since the late 1990s *More job creation than under any POTUS ever *27 straight months of UE below 4%, something not seen since the 1960s *An Infrastructure Bill passed that is repairing roads, bridges, commo, airports, rails, etc. *Chips Act which resulted in first new chip plants in the US in 40 years *More oil production than ever by any country, with 9000 approved drilling leases waiting for someone to take them *800,000 newe manufacturing jobs *Lower prescription drug prices *Falling trade deficit with China and Trump is still odds on favorite to win and is consistently outperforming Biden 24/7 on polls that that matter to the American voter. Try to explain that. And while you're at it, count how many wars took place from 2017 to 2021. And then explain why Biden is trying to wage lawfare against his political superior in Trump and jail him for book keeping entries. Explain that so it makes sense to democracy loving Americans and not people like yourself who hate losing to Trump. What happened to the SPR under Biden! How about illegal and unconstitutional student loan handouts. Thats Biden's desperate vote buying schemes because he's getting walloped by the felon now and his campaign is about finished. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Presto Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 (edited) 23 minutes ago, shipwrecked said: and Trump is still odds on favorite to win and is consistently outperforming Biden 24/7 on polls that that matter to the American voter. Try to explain that. And while you're at it, count how many wars took place from 2017 to 2021. And then explain why Biden is trying to wage lawfare against his political superior in Trump and jail him for book keeping entries. Explain that so it makes sense to democracy loving Americans and not people like yourself who hate losing to Trump. What happened to the SPR under Biden! How about illegal and unconstitutional student loan handouts. Thats Biden's desperate vote buying schemes because he's getting walloped by the felon now and his campaign is about finished. I'll explain it to you, just like I explained Trump's win in 2016, and his 10 million more votes in 2020. Just like Trump, Americans in general have no interest in or understanding of democracy and the rule of law. And just like Trump they're not very interested in facts. They're not very well educated. How democracy is valued in a country, can be measured by voter turnout. Where I come from, 80% is the norm. The 66% of the 2020 elections was great in the eyes of Americans, and pathetic in my eyes, considering the circumstances, the choices. They'd rather go with a snake oil salesman, like Trump. Trump is not the problem, he's just a symptom of the state of American democracy. Just like Biden is, by the way. Civilized people all around the world are scratching their head why a crook like Trump is even allowed to run for the presidency again. Well, I just gave you your answer. Edited June 2 by Presto 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roo Island Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 14 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said: I wish to GAWD you people would stop referring to "Biden's DOJ." It is not his, it is an autonomous body. You are confusing this with the convicted criminal's intent to weaponize the DOJ to attack his personal enemies. He has stated this again and again. Please try to keep the facts straight. They are just parroting what dodgy media outlets and dodgy politicians say. Terrible what members of the GOP are saying. Trying to discredit the judicial system 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, shipwrecked said: and Trump is still odds on favorite to win and is consistently outperforming Biden 24/7 on polls that that matter to the American voter. Try to explain that. And while you're at it, count how many wars took place from 2017 to 2021. And then explain why Biden is trying to wage lawfare against his political superior in Trump and jail him for book keeping entries. Explain that so it makes sense to democracy loving Americans and not people like yourself who hate losing to Trump. What happened to the SPR under Biden! How about illegal and unconstitutional student loan handouts. Thats Biden's desperate vote buying schemes because he's getting walloped by the felon now and his campaign is about finished. Yeah, and Hillary was odds on favorite to beat the guy before he was a convicted felon. Polls don't mean a thing until November. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 20 minutes ago, Roo Island said: Completely different situations. Biden didn't lie about it and try to cover it up. Even getting employees involved and now in big trouble. https://abcnews.go.com/US/biden-trump-classified-documents-trumps-alleged-obstruction-led/story?id=107079663 Why Biden and Trump's classified documents cases aren't the same: Experts Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Biden take classified documents to his house to help write a biography, to make money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 55 minutes ago, Roo Island said: Fact. A Capitol Police release the day after the riots said that USCP Officer Brian Sicknick “passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty.” The report stated that Sicknick “was injured while physically engaging with protesters. He returned to his division office and collapsed.” so, no law enforcement officers died at the capital. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Presto said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Biden take classified documents to his house to help write a biography, to make money? No, those are just lies to deflect from the convicted felon whole INTENTIONALLY stole dozens and dozens of boxes of highly classified documents then tried to cover up. We don't know why the convicted felon did this yet, but it is clear that he does everything with transactional motives. To say he was planning to sell them would not be a stretch of the imagination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Presto said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Biden take classified documents to his house to help write a biography, to make money? His (paper) notebooks. Note that there is no classified information in the book, which is about Beau Biden. So he did not make money with classified information. Edited June 2 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, BobBKK said: It was a little humour with a basis of truth - who cares if he had a porn star? What we must care about is that this will be overturned at the SC, but long after the election, it is classic electoral interference. I don’t know whether or not you were following any reliable reporting of his trial, but the only time Convicted Felon Trump woke up long enough to pay any attention to the proceedings was when Stormy Daniels was giving her testimony. Convicted Felon Trump certainly care about the ‘porn star’ telling her account of him ‘having’ her. You’re being rather presumptive on the matter of the SC, perhaps you think their might be some bias toward the Convicted Felon Trump. With the national flag flown upside down at their homes and the wives of SC Justices themselves involved in the Convicted Felon Trump’s insurrection, you might be correct. But then again do the SC want to even get involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post frank83628 Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said: No, those are just lies to deflect from the convicted felon whole INTENTIONALLY stole dozens and dozens of boxes of highly classified documents then tried to cover up. We don't know why the convicted felon did this yet, but it is clear that he does everything with transactional motives. To say he was planning to sell them would not be a stretch of the imagination. are you sure on that, Edited June 2 by frank83628 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, frank83628 said: and it wasnt Trumps either, but he you claim Trump intended to weaponise the doj, but Biden hasnt? jusat like Biden didnt take showers with his daughter Trump did weaponize the DOJ. The unlawful imprisonment of Michael Cohen for having the temerity to execute his 1st Amendment right to write a book, albeit critical of Convicted Felon Trump. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 5 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said: No, those are just lies to deflect from the convicted felon whole INTENTIONALLY stole dozens and dozens of boxes of highly classified documents then tried to cover up. We don't know why the convicted felon did this yet, but it is clear that he does everything with transactional motives. To say he was planning to sell them would not be a stretch of the imagination. 'to say he was planning to sell them ...' Yes, I know that. Apparently Garland didn't know it. I'm talking about Biden if you don't mind. As far as I know he took classified documents to his house, and used at least part of them to help the ghostwriter with the biography. You can correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, frank83628 said: are you sure on that, 3 minutes ago, Presto said: 'to say he was planning to sell them ...' Yes, I know that. Apparently Garland didn't know it. I'm talking about Biden if you don't mind. As far as I know he took classified documents to his house, and used at least part of them to help the ghostwriter with the biography. You can correct me if I'm wrong. His (paper) notebooks. There is no classified information in the book, which is about Beau Biden. So he did not make money with classified information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, candide said: His (paper) notebooks. There is no classified information in the book, which is about Beau Biden. So he did not make money with classified information. I'm not sure about that. This is AP: https://apnews.com/article/biden-ghostwriter-mark-zwonitzer-classified-documents-case-8ad6e560c2eb54e25db149a2d01ad545 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Trump did weaponize the DOJ. The unlawful imprisonment of Michael Cohen for having the temerity to execute his 1st Amendment right to write a book, albeit critical of Convicted Felon Trump. you know that writing 'convicted felon' does not bother me and i am guessing nobody that supports Trump... where as you guys get all frothy mouthed at Biden being called creepy, sniffy, sleepy amongst others 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, frank83628 said: and it wasnt Trumps either, but he you claim Trump intended to weaponise the doj, but Biden hasnt? jusat like Biden didnt take showers with his daughter You are confusing facts to fit your warped narrative, classic red herring. Yes, Biden reportedly showered with his daughter which I personally find wildly inappropriate. Yes, the convicted felon has said dozens of times he plans to use the government to target political enemies. The two have NOTHING to do with each other. https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-has-threatened-dozens-of-times-to-use-the-government-to-target-political-enemies/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shipwrecked Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 (edited) 24 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said: Yeah, and Hillary was odds on favorite to beat the guy before he was a convicted felon. Polls don't mean a thing until November. How about this one where Americans feel Trump policies helped them while Biden's hurt them. Find me a poll stating the inverse. Trump delivered for the country, Biden obviously failed and has become so desperate now that they really think their SDNY show trial abomination will somehow convince voters to abandon Trump. The exact opposite effect may take place and seal the fate for the feckless democrats on election day 2024. NY Times/ Siena Poll Edited June 2 by shipwrecked 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Presto said: I'm not sure about that. This is AP: https://apnews.com/article/biden-ghostwriter-mark-zwonitzer-classified-documents-case-8ad6e560c2eb54e25db149a2d01ad545 It says what I wrote: "Hur’s report says Biden saved notebooks from his time as vice president that contained classified information and used them to help Zwonitzer put together his memoir — sometimes reading from them verbatim for more than hour at a time." Hur's report also states that there is no classified information in the book. Edited June 2 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said: You are confusing facts to fit your warped narrative, classic red herring. Yes, Biden reportedly showered with his daughter which I personally find wildly inappropriate. Yes, the convicted felon has said dozens of times he plans to use the government to target political enemies. The two have NOTHING to do with each other. https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-has-threatened-dozens-of-times-to-use-the-government-to-target-political-enemies/ just as Biden /Dems have done to Trump, . this conviction is prof of that. the last one for the loans is another example. what goes around comes around. i look forward to it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 24 minutes ago, Presto said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Biden take classified documents to his house to help write a biography, to make money? I don't know. Just know that when he found out he had them, he returned them. Unlike Trump. And, the special counsel didn't charge him. Makes sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 21 minutes ago, frank83628 said: so, no law enforcement officers died at the capital. So if you are in an accident and seriously injured but die a few days later, it wasn't because of the accident? Seriously? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, frank83628 said: just as Biden /Dems have done to Trump, . this conviction is prof of that. the last one for the loans is another example. what goes around comes around. i look forward to it Let’s have your evidence that Biden had any part in the prosecution of Convicted Felon Trump. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 17 minutes ago, frank83628 said: are you sure on that, Link or remove the post 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, shipwrecked said: How about this one where Americans feel Trump policies helped them while Biden's hurt them. Find me a poll stating the inverse. Trump delivered for the country, Biden obviously failed and has become so desperate now that they really think their SDNY show trial abomination will somehow convince voters to abandon Trump. The exact opposite effect may take place and seal the fate for the feckless democrats on election day 2024. NY Times/ Siena Poll More blah blah blah. I can whip up as many polls that counter yours If I want, but it's a waste of time. November is the only important poll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: 4 minutes ago, frank83628 said: just as Biden /Dems have done to Trump, . this conviction is prof of that. the last one for the loans is another example. what goes around comes around. i look forward to it Let’s have your evidence that Biden had any part in the prosecution of Convicted Felon Trump. No evidence available cuz it didn't happen. Those are facts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo Island Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 9 minutes ago, shipwrecked said: How about this one where Americans feel Trump policies helped them while Biden's hurt them. Find me a poll stating the inverse. Trump delivered for the country, Biden obviously failed and has become so desperate now that they really think their SDNY show trial abomination will somehow convince voters to abandon Trump. The exact opposite effect may take place and seal the fate for the feckless democrats on election day 2024. NY Times/ Siena Poll Not sure I trust the intelligence level of those being polled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 6 minutes ago, candide said: It says what I wrote: "Hur’s report says Biden saved notebooks from his time as vice president that contained classified information and used them to help Zwonitzer put together his memoir — sometimes reading from them verbatim for more than hour at a time." So where are there classified information in his book? I get it. I've read the whole AP article. It leaves me with the feeling that it's all quite murky. Above all, it leaves me with the feeling that Biden felt entitled. And that's not different today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roo Island Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, frank83628 said: just as Biden /Dems have done to Trump, . this conviction is prof of that. the last one for the loans is another example. what goes around comes around. i look forward to it Put up one link proving Biden threatened Trump with his powers or the DOJ. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Roo Island said: I don't know. Just know that when he found out he had them, he returned them. Unlike Trump. And, the special counsel didn't charge him. Makes sense Special counsel didn't charge him for many reasons. I just think that people like Biden feel entitled to do what they want with classified documents. And that's a bad attitude, in my book. His lame excuses about the Corvette and all that were so telling. The arrogance. Edited June 2 by Presto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Just now, Roo Island said: Put up one link proving Biden threatened Trump with his powers or the DOJ. the proof is the there for all to see, look at the court cases and charges! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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