Russia Proposes Cease Fire

[jas007]

Russia has announced its conditions for a cease fire.

 

Basically, Ukraine must withdraw entirely from all territory now occupied by Russia, and Ukraine must promise never to join NATO.

Sounds like a good plan to me, and probably the best Ukraine can hope for at this point.

[Woof999]

So give up a sizeable chunk of territory now and not join an organisation that would stop Putin doing another land grab once he's licked his wounds?

[Gottfrid]

20 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Russia has announced its conditions for a cease fire.

 

Basically, Ukraine must withdraw entirely from all territory now occupied by Russia, and Ukraine must promise never to join NATO.

Sounds like a good plan to me, and probably the best Ukraine can hope for at this point.

Yeah, you just found you place together with Idi Amin, Hitler and Putin. Good Job!

[mfd101]

Sadly, it may be the best Ukraine can hope for at the moment, given the dithering weakness of (most of) the Europeans & the Yanks. Clearly, Putin has our (collective) number. Just look 'n act tough 'n mean and The West caves in.

 

But of course this is merely Stage 1. Having won so far (if it turns out that he has), then there'll be Stage 2 ...

[jas007]

For what it’s worth, I’m just trying to be realistic. It’s just that simple. Ukraine cannot “win” this war.  If it continues, the youth of Ukraine will continue to be slaughtered. All gone. And in the end, Ukraine might lose whatever is left of their territory. For what?  Why not stop now and preserve what’s left? 

 

Even with the help of NATO forces, Russia cannot be defeated in a ground war.  The necessary manpower isn’t available. And so what then? Continued escalation risking a global nuclear war?   A really dumb idea, all because some politicians seem to live in a Neocon fantasyland. 
 

And I don’t buy for a second the nonsense about Putin continuing the war beyond Ukraine.  That’s just a line of BS put out by the Neocon spin doctors. In one form or another, they’ve used that same type of excuse to justify wars for years.  Even to justify the Vietnam war.  The “domino theory.”  Remember that? It was a stupid idea then, and the Neocons have yet to learn.  Or, maybe they know better but war is profitable, and so they keep pushing the narrative. 

[stoner]

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 That’s just a line of BS put out by the Neocon spin doctors

 

which conservatives are you talking about ?

[jas007]

Just now, stoner said:

 

which conservatives are you talking about ?

All of them.  That seems to be the narrative. Fight Russia in Ukraine or the next thing you know you’ll be fighting them elsewhere in Eastern Europe. Look up the “Wolfowitz doctrine.”  Those ideas or variations of it have resulted in trillions of dollars wasted on wars around the world that have essentially accomplished nothing other than to impoverish the middle class and enrich the defense industry. And now BRICS. All because some idiots continue to live in fantasyland.

[stoner]

Just now, jas007 said:

All of them.

 

who though ? us is controlled by democrats just now. canada liberal. germany same. etc. 

[metisdead]

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