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  On 12/15/2024 at 11:03 AM, Liquorice said:

Can you post a link to that order rescinding the limit of VE entries at borders.

 

Announced by the MFA, not by Immigration.

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The person in question did not enter by land - so this never applied to his case.  As to land-entries, we have posts on this forum of entry stamps, after that policy ended, and the " (1)"  "(2)" counting is over.    The only question is whether you enter at a "bent" entry point, or not.

Posted
  On 12/15/2024 at 11:03 AM, Liquorice said:

Can you post a link to that order rescinding the limit of VE entries at borders.

 

Announced by the MFA, not by Immigration.

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Perhaps you could ask this chap........🤗

 

 

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  On 12/15/2024 at 2:27 PM, Caldera said:

The proof is in the pudding - countless people have done 3-4 overland visa exempt entries this year. People who had already maxed out their land border entries before the change were later allowed to enter again. Both border run agencies and IOs at land borders across Thailand have advised people that the limit is no longer in force.

 

So let me turn this on its head for you: Can you post a link to a credible report by anyone refused entry specifically for exceeding this limit since the new rules went into effect? Genuinely curious, I haven't seen any.

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The MFA only made an announcement in July.

With 60 days now on entry + 30 day extensions, 3rd or 4th entries wouldn't be due yet.

I've only read of two entries since.

 

To redact their order it would have to be announced in the Royal Gazette, and that hasn't happened.
They may not be enforcing the 2 VE border crossing, but that could change at a whim.

Posted
  On 12/16/2024 at 10:40 AM, Liquorice said:

The MFA only made an announcement in July.

With 60 days now on entry + 30 day extensions, 3rd or 4th entries wouldn't be due yet.

I've only read of two entries since.

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You've misread my post, as I wrote that people who had already maxed out their overland visa exempt entries for 2024 under the old rules were nevertheless allowed to enter visa exempt when the new rules came into effect. So those are the ones I mean with 3-4 overland visa exempt entries this year in total - two visa exempt entries under the old rules plus 1-2 visa visa exempt entries under the new rules. There are many of them.

 

I like the interpretation @Maestrohas posted here in the meantime, that the limitation for VE-30 didn't even need to be formally rescinded, because VE-30 entries currently aren't possible as they have been superseded by VE-60 entries for all those who had qualified for VE-30 before (plus many additional nationalities). That's the most sensible explanation for the apparent lack of such an order I've seen to date.

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  On 12/16/2024 at 12:09 PM, transam said:

So you are not going to ask him, you would rather ask members on here..................🤭

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He is a member here, and you quoted his topic, so I don't need to ask him, the same as you didn't.

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  On 12/16/2024 at 1:29 PM, Maestro said:

Anyone with knowledge of a publication in the  Royal Gazette of a limit of the number of entries with VE60 within a specific period of time is kindly invited to post the relevant link here.

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Is there an official publication for limited VE entries by air.

No, but Immigration imposes restrictions at their own discretion.

Just my opinion, but only a question of time before we start reading refused VE at a land border.
Time will tell.

Posted
  On 12/16/2024 at 2:59 PM, Liquorice said:

He is a member here, and you quoted his topic, so I don't need to ask him, the same as you didn't.

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I believe he is a visa expert member here, his avatar says so, what are you on here........?   😜

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In the unofficial English translation to which I linked, I found the text "Tourism, Work, or Short-Term Business Engagements" puzzling and this prompted me to take the corresponding Thai text and use Google Translate, which gives quite a different translation: "tourism and telework". I find this equally puzzling.

 

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The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. — George Bernard Shaw

 

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Removed an abusive post.

 

@transam and @Liquorice  Stop your bickering, please.

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. — George Bernard Shaw

 

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I was asking agents about visa exemptions earlier today and the first thing they asked me was how many times I had a visa exemption via land crossing this year.  They seemed to this you couldn't get more than two.

 

Also, they seemed to think once 2025 rolls in, you'll be starting over at zero.  I.e. even if you've been in Thailand on visa exemptions in 2024, they will start letting you in again in 2025 as if you had not been here.

 

This is all new to me and seems confusing

 

 

Posted
  On 12/17/2024 at 11:29 AM, daeumtnaot said:

I was asking agents about visa exemptions earlier today and the first thing they asked me was how many times I had a visa exemption via land crossing this year.  They seemed to this you couldn't get more than two.

 

Also, they seemed to think once 2025 rolls in, you'll be starting over at zero.  I.e. even if you've been in Thailand on visa exemptions in 2024, they will start letting you in again in 2025 as if you had not been here.

 

This is all new to me and seems confusing

 

 

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It used to be 2 per year at land borders, that has changed.. 

Posted
  On 12/17/2024 at 3:41 PM, daeumtnaot said:

So now you can do more than two per year at a land border?  Does the beginning of the  new year make any difference?

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As it stood previously, it was always 2 land border crossings within a calendar year (Jan - Dec), so yes, the clock reset again at New year.

Posted
  On 12/17/2024 at 9:53 AM, Maestro said:

In the unofficial English translation to which I linked, I found the text "Tourism, Work, or Short-Term Business Engagements" puzzling and this prompted me to take the corresponding Thai text and use Google Translate, which gives quite a different translation: "tourism and telework". I find this equally puzzling.

 

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Telework = digital nomads, a reference to the new DTV ?

 

There is still no evidence of Immigration residing the previous order regarding the limitation of land border crossings.

It appears more a case of non enforcement and leniency until they feel the economy has recovered sufficiently, then they'll revert to the 2 VE land border entries again.

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Posted
  On 12/17/2024 at 3:41 PM, daeumtnaot said:

So now you can do more than two per year at a land border?  Does the beginning of the  new year make any difference?

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That's what I was told when I asked the IO at Chong Mek border.

 

I don't think the new year makes any difference unless they change things back to how they were previously...But as I say, this is the border I use...😉

Posted
  On 12/18/2024 at 4:28 AM, Maestro said:

This topic is about the VE60. The announcement of the VE60 mentioned no limitation on the he number of entries.

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Agreed, but neither does it mention 'unlimited' 60 day VE entries.

It's an open book for Immigration to use their discretion.

 

Indeed, we've already had a couple of reports on the forum of being questions on the purpose of their visit, recently entering VE by air.

A personal friend, Thai spouse, been visiting on VE entries for the last 6 years, was pulled aside for the very first time entering at the beginning of November for a planned 5 weeks stay, and told in future to obtain the correct visa for the purpose of his visit. Like others in a similar position, he doesn't stay long enough to process an extension application.

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Posted
  On 12/18/2024 at 4:28 AM, Maestro said:

 

"The previous order" was for the VE30.

 

This topic is about the VE60. The announcement of the VE60 mentioned no limitation on the he number of entries. To the best of my knowledge, no subsequent announcement about a limitation has been made.

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 Just reporting my experience then: I was stopped, questioned and allowed in with a caution that if I attempt to enter (Phuket Airport) again on VE-60, (ie after my 3rd time in about 5 months) I will be sent back. I was also informed at Phuket Town immigration office last week that the limit is 2 a year.

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  On 12/18/2024 at 8:35 AM, Katatonica said:

 Just reporting my experience then: I was stopped, questioned and allowed in with a caution that if I attempt to enter (Phuket Airport) again on VE-60, (ie after my 3rd time in about 5 months) I will be sent back. I was also informed at Phuket Town immigration office last week that the limit is 2 a year.

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1. The caution you were given was probably based on Article 12 of the Immigration Act.

 

2. The information you received from the Phuket Town immigration office is wrong, unless an announcement has been published in the Government Gazette stating such blanket limit of VE-60 entries. The immigration official's authority to deny entry under Section 12 is not tied to the number of previous entries made within the year.

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. — George Bernard Shaw

 

Posted
  On 12/18/2024 at 12:54 PM, Maestro said:

 

1. The caution you were given was probably based on Article 12 of the Immigration Act.

 

2. The information you received from the Phuket Town immigration office is wrong, unless an announcement has been published in the Government Gazette stating such blanket limit of VE-60 entries. The immigration official's authority to deny entry under Section 12 is not tied to the number of previous entries made within the year.

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I very much doubt I was denied entry due to contravention of Section 12 of the Immigration Act. I have no idea why I would be. The airport IO's also said the same about my multiple brief entries: 'free visa is not for visit Thai wife.' There was no problem entering whilst holding a Tourist Visa earlier in the year nor for my previous visit on VE-60 with a different IO.

Posted
  On 12/18/2024 at 4:27 PM, Katatonica said:

I very much doubt I was denied entry due to contravention of Section 12 of the Immigration Act. I have no idea why I would be. The airport IO's also said the same about my multiple brief entries: 'free visa is not for visit Thai wife.' There was no problem entering whilst holding a Tourist Visa earlier in the year nor for my previous visit on VE-60 with a different IO.

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The policy at airports is pretty clear: pay your money or take your chances. That has been the case for a long time.

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Posted
  On 12/18/2024 at 4:27 PM, Katatonica said:

I very much doubt I was denied entry due to contravention of Section 12 of the Immigration Act. I have no idea why I would be. The airport IO's also said the same about my multiple brief entries: 'free visa is not for visit Thai wife.' There was no problem entering whilst holding a Tourist Visa earlier in the year nor for my previous visit on VE-60 with a different IO.

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I am surprised that you are surprised by the IO's actions.

 

 

The first principle of entry requirements is that you have the visa that is appropriate to your circumstances. VE or TV are not suitable for someone living in Thailand or making regular visits to see their Thai wife.

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