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On 8/14/2024 at 12:44 PM, Patong2021 said:

Thank you for that  well written item. It is a nice change from the usual nonsensical claims that come from the mentally ill collective who offer imagined convoluted plots.  I too believe that the origin of the illness is due to the consumption of wild animals. It's nothing new as we have seen this play out before with Ebola and the African consumption of  "Bush Meat".   

The Wuhan  animal market aka wet market has been documented as a gruesome horrific place.  Live animals are kept in small cages, terrified. They are often tormented and tortured as the Chinese believe that the resulting adrenaline will give the consumers of the animal flesh, vitality and vigor. The animals are not fed and are often dehydrated which makes them at greater risk of infection as their immune systems become impaired.  China has gone to great lengths to over up the horrors of these wet markets. The  animal vendors at Bangkpok's Chatuchak market offer a similar risk and Thai authorities have refused to stop the inhumane activities. the threat has been repeatedly documented, but the powers that be and the  community at large has ignored the warnings.

 

Today we are on the edge of another international health crisis with a resurgence of MPox  aka Monkey Pox. Initially centered in the Congo, because vaccines were not made available and quarantines not  effected, the disease has spread and risks exploding. European infections have been increasing in the past 2 weeks and it is only a matter of time before it spreads in  the Americas. Fortunately, vaccines exist to contain the spread, but the issue will be if people at risk will take the vaccine or fall prey to the ignorance of the anti science  group who are opposed to vaccines and preventative measures. Will governments act or will be they be afraid of a repeat of the  covid conspiracy nutters?

 

What's your thoughts now after the US intelligence said its likely it came from a lab.

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4 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

What's your thoughts now after the US intelligence said its likely it came from a lab.

 

The US intelligence conclusion was conditional. The conclusion offered by the CIA  was;

"CIA assesses with low confidence that a research-related origin of the COVID-19 pandemic is more likely than a natural origin based on the available body of reporting. CIA continues to assess that both research-related and natural origin scenarios of the COVID-19 pandemic remain plausible" 

 

You are reading far more into the January statement than is there. Nobody has denied that there may have been a lab incident. It is the origin of the  new virus variant that is in question. There is ;longstanding credible and reliable data that shows the link between infectious disease and the Chinese wet markets. They are horrible evil places. There is also reliable evidence that shows that many of the worst variants of avian flus originate in Asia  due to Asian agricultural and farming practices. 

 

SARS Cov-2 virus is a variant of an existing virus. It is not entirely new. Viruses evolve and new variants are regularly created. This is how the world exists. The general consensus is that the virus originated in China and is  linked to the  Chinese animal abuse customs and lack of hygiene at their markets. It is plausible that samples were taken of the new respiratory virus once it was manifested in humans,  and sent for study at the laboratory. The outbreaks in China occurred at the same time the virus was under study and it may have infected lab workers who then  infected the general public. Breaches have occurred at other infectious disease facilities. 

 

The virus itself mutates and as the multiple variants that appeared over the past five years demonstrate, shows the same pattern of modification as other SARS related viruses. The medical research consensus does not deny that there were samples of the virus at the lab, nor the regional origin of the virus. Rather, the question that has never been resolved was whether the viruses at the lab were derived from infected patients or whether they were the result of viral engineering.  Past experience indicates that  the  viruses at the lab came from human sampling and that human error or maybe even sabotage allowed the virus to enter the general population.

 

Claiming that the virus was human created, allows a distraction from the underlying ongoing  problem of the wet markets, the oversight of the Chinese microbiology facilities and safety at those facilities. The Chinese  research facilities do not have the same moral or ethical constraints that western facilities have. Unethical  or sloppy research practice can result in catastrophic damage, but does not necessarily indicate or prove that a virus was engineered and then released.

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1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

Claiming that the virus was human created, allows a distraction from the underlying ongoing  problem of the wet markets

 

Both the wet market situation and the actual origin of the virus are important. 

 

So did covid 19 that effected our world come from a lab or not ? Not talking about the evolution of it after it hit us. The initial virus. 

 

Where did it come from a lab or wet market. Intelligence thinks it came from a lab. Regardless of ceftaintly the statement made is that it did. 

 

If you think that's reading too much into it that's your opinion.  I see it differently. 

 

5 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Unethical  or sloppy research practice can result in catastrophic damage, but does not necessarily indicate or prove that a virus was engineered and then released.

 

Nor should it be dismissed considering the things you have mentioned. 

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8 hours ago, blaze master said:

Regardless of ceftaintly the statement made is that it did. 

No.

 

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

CIA continues to assess that both research-related and natural origin scenarios of the COVID-19 pandemic remain plausible" 

 

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14 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

What's your thoughts now after the US intelligence said its likely it came from a lab.

 Did you read the two first post. Well written and quite reasonable explained both scenarios

 

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When science becomes blurred and political, we are screwed.

 

How convenient cia officially could had been leaked 25.01.25 when Trump started his 2. Economic war talks against China?

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5 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

I did. I believe it was a lab leak. 

I choose not to get my mind diluted, and also have a friend who travelled the world dealing with viruses in India and Africa, an professor actually, and have no reason to disbelief her. 

 

She told me exactly what was going to happen early February 2020, and made me decide not to leave Thailand. She have no evidence this was a lab leak, or better say, an forced lab leak.

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1 hour ago, blaze master said:

 

No. 

I have an argument, the statement from the CIA.

You have nothing.

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5 hours ago, stevenl said:

I have an argument, the statement from the CIA.

You have nothing.

 

You left out where they said it was a low probability. Which means they think that it was but will still investigate. Common sense really but somehow you seem to be missing that part. 

 

So you have nothing. 

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6 hours ago, Hummin said:

I choose not to get my mind diluted, and also have a friend who travelled the world dealing with viruses in India and Africa, an professor actually, and have no reason to disbelief her. 

 

She told me exactly what was going to happen early February 2020, and made me decide not to leave Thailand. She have no evidence this was a lab leak, or better say, an forced lab leak.

 

I toldy wife in 2020 what was going to happen as well. Writing was on the wall. 

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DW: COVID pandemic likely unleashed by lab mishap: Germany's BND

 

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-pandemic-likely-unleashed-by-lab-mishap-germanys-bnd/a-71897701

 

The BND reached its conclusions as early as 2020, the papers said, giving them a likelihood rating of 80% to 95%, but the assessment was kept from the public at the time.

 

MSN: German Govt Reportedly Concealed Intel That Wuhan Lab Leak Was 80 To 95% Likely

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/german-government-reportedly-concealed-intel-that-wuhan-lab-leak-was-80-to-95-likely/ar-AA1ANJ0W

 

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On 2/19/2025 at 5:24 PM, blaze master said:

You left out where they said it was a low probability.

 

CIA didn't say that.

 

They rated their assessment as "low confidence."  This is usually overlooked in the tinfoil nutjobbery propaganda pieces, for good reason.

 

Low confidence generally means questionable or implausible information was used, the information is too fragmented or poorly corroborated to make solid analytic inferences, or significant concerns or problems with sources existed.

 

It means, no surprise, that an unsubstantiated rumor was published as "fact" for political purposes on.............Jan 25, 2025.

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On 8/14/2024 at 11:44 PM, Patong2021 said:

Thank you for that  well written item. It is a nice change from the usual nonsensical claims that come from the mentally ill collective who offer imagined convoluted plots.  I too believe that the origin of the illness is due to the consumption of wild animals. It's nothing new as we have seen this play out before with Ebola and the African consumption of  "Bush Meat".   

The Wuhan  animal market aka wet market has been documented as a gruesome horrific place.  Live animals are kept in small cages, terrified. They are often tormented and tortured as the Chinese believe that the resulting adrenaline will give the consumers of the animal flesh, vitality and vigor. The animals are not fed and are often dehydrated which makes them at greater risk of infection as their immune systems become impaired.  China has gone to great lengths to over up the horrors of these wet markets. The  animal vendors at Bangkpok's Chatuchak market offer a similar risk and Thai authorities have refused to stop the inhumane activities. the threat has been repeatedly documented, but the powers that be and the  community at large has ignored the warnings.

 

Today we are on the edge of another international health crisis with a resurgence of MPox  aka Monkey Pox. Initially centered in the Congo, because vaccines were not made available and quarantines not  effected, the disease has spread and risks exploding. European infections have been increasing in the past 2 weeks and it is only a matter of time before it spreads in  the Americas. Fortunately, vaccines exist to contain the spread, but the issue will be if people at risk will take the vaccine or fall prey to the ignorance of the anti science  group who are opposed to vaccines and preventative measures. Will governments act or will be they be afraid of a repeat of the  covid conspiracy nutters?

So you were a 6' apart double mask wearer then, did you attack others that didn't want to get a jab?

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I thought it was a lab leak from very early on,

the totally  deranged  response by worldwide governments

( Sweden being a notable exception though there were others)

only reinforces my view that they also thought it was an engineered bio weapon escaped from the lab ! 

why else would they throw out their very own "pandemic play book"  and do the total opposite ?  resulting in totalitarian censorship of any dissenting opinions,shaming, coercion, de banking and mandatary adoption of a

"novel treatment"  ohh and don't forget no way to sue the makers of

"novel treatments"  for injuries caused by their "product"   that alone is a huge red flag !!!

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