Israel Hamas War the Widening Middle East Conflict

[Bkk Brian]

On 10/9/2024 at 6:22 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

To get there by aircraft they have to pass by or over unfriendly countries, and they will no doubt be waiting for the attack. It would be easiest to eliminate the refueling aircraft as they fly more slowly, and without refueling the attack aircraft will not get back, and no friendly countries to land in.

 

I assume it'll be by missiles or Iranian interests elsewhere.

You assume wrong and you were also wrong about Netanyahu "going full terminator" in another post. 

[Hawaiian]

On 10/23/2024 at 5:33 PM, Neeranam said:

The US and the world are watching Israel closely. 

 

The US has demanded proof on the ground that Israel does not have a policy of starvation in northern Gaza as it turned up the pressure on the Netanyahu government to allow more aid into the territory. 

The US ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told the security council on Wednesday at a meeting convened by France UK and Algeria that such a policy “would not just be horrific and unacceptable” but also had “implications under international and US law”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/urgent-un-security-council-meeting-called-amid-pressure-on-israel-to-allow-aid-into-gaza

 

Hamas knew that Israel would retaliate for the October 7 massacre.  What they may not have expected is Israel's determination to bring Hamas to its knees to prevent this from happening again.

There is no doubt many innocent people are being maimed and killed, but unfortunately this is the price of war. 

Hamas can stop this, but they won't.

[Neeranam]

46 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Hamas knew that Israel would retaliate for the October 7 massacre.  What they may not have expected is Israel's determination to bring Hamas to its knees to prevent this from happening again.

There is no doubt many innocent people are being maimed and killed, but unfortunately this is the price of war. 

Hamas can stop this, but they won't.

Strange logic. Hamas would stop it, in my opinion, if Israel stop occupying them, it isn't rocket science. This is all about the Israeli Occupation and Apartheid system in greater Israel. 

[Neeranam]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I don't think Jordan was too happy with that  as it is a violation of its airspace. This can lead to an angry response, and yes I know Jordan is not in a position to stop it, but the Jordanians have been helpful, shooting down Iranian and Hezbollah launched missiles when they violate Jordanian airspace.

 

Jordan are not happy. Blinken is a biased buffoon. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

Jordan are not happy. Blinken is a biased buffoon. 

 

Blinken is a biased buffoon.

 

I know someone who is and its not Blinken 

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1849894884095992174

 

[Neeranam]

On 10/24/2024 at 11:07 PM, Patong2021 said:

Food aid has entered. Hamas typically takes it for its personnel and their families.

Got any links for this lie?

[Neeranam]

On 10/25/2024 at 9:46 AM, Patong2021 said:

The men get to indulge their sexual violence on Israeli hostages and Yazidi  slave girls trafficked in from Iraq?

Got any links for this lie?

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Got any links for this lie?

What lie?

https://x.com/cogatonline/status/1837535470869266561

 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Got any links for this lie?

 

What lie?

 

Yazidi sex slave rescued from Gaza in rare, internationally collaborative mission

https://www.voanews.com/a/yazidi-sex-slave-rescued-from-gaza-in-rare-internationally-collaborative-mission/7809579.html

[Nick Carter icp]

On 10/25/2024 at 7:10 PM, Neeranam said:

Israeli strikes kill 38 people in Gaza’s Khan Younis as they were lining up for bread. 

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Got any links for this lie?

 

 

   What you posted was a lie , the IDF didn't kill 38 people as they lined up for bread 

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Got any links for this lie?

 

The Israeli victims of Gazan rape and sexual violence has been documented. Are you saying it is a lie because the women are Israeli?

The trafficking of Yazidi children to be used as sex slaves has been documented. The most recent liberation occurred a week ago. As you won't accept Israeli sources,will the Qatari Al jazeera suffice?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/4/yazidi-woman-rescued-from-gaza-10-years-after-being-taken-captive-by-isil

 

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Strange logic. Hamas would stop it, in my opinion, if Israel stop occupying them, it isn't rocket science. This is all about the Israeli Occupation and Apartheid system in greater Israel. 

Israel left Hamas alone hoping they would concentrate on bettering the lives of the people of Gaza.  Instead of Hamas spent a fortune constructing an elaborate tunnel system, basically a fortified underground city. Then came the October massacre.  The rest is history.  No need for rocket science, as you say, to counter your argument that Hamas was justified in committing such atrocities.

Hamas squandered an opportunity to bring a better life to those they governed.  Too late now.

Edited October 27 by Hawaiian

[Evil Penevil]

To give more detail from The Wall Street Journal article:

 

Israel Offered Hamas Leaders Safe Passage Out of Gaza for Hostages’ Freedom

 

In a meeting with Egyptian officials this past week, Israel’s spy chief and top cease-fire negotiator David Barnea made a new offer to break the impasse with Hamas. Leaders of the U.S.-designated terrorist group would have safe passage to another country in exchange for laying down their arms and releasing the hostages, Arab mediators said.

 

It was an idea with echoes of Israel’s 1982 war in Lebanon, when Yasser Arafat and fellow Palestinian militants were allowed to leave Beirut for Tunisia.

 

But Hamas rejected the idea, Arab mediators said. Khalil al-Hayya, Hamas’s top cease-fire negotiator, said the offer showed how Israel was still misreading the group and warned it could continue fighting for months, if not years, the mediators said.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/u-s-israel-to-join-new-talks-for-short-term-gaza-cease-fire/ar-AA1sUTGV

 

 

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Again, posts from @Neeranam removed for blatant trolling, off topic deflections, unsubstaniated claims. Any more of the same will result in an instant posting suspension.

[Evil Penevil]

On 10/24/2024 at 12:07 PM, Patong2021 said:

 

Food aid has entered. Hamas typically takes it for its personnel and their families.

 

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Got any links for this lie?

 

It's not a lie. I bolded the text in some sentences in the following quotes.   From the French Agency AFP, reposted by Barron's on October 21, 2024:

"Several humanitarian officials told AFP on condition of anonymity that almost half of the aid that enters Gaza is being looted, especially basic supplies."  https://www.barrons.com/news/how-much-aid-is-getting-into-gaza-91677abe

 

From an earlier article by the BBC:

"They [humanitarian agencies] blame growing lawlessness for making it too dangerous to pick up and move goods.

"'The looting has become quite profound,' says Georgios Petropoulos, head of the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in Gaza. He estimates that last Tuesday, three-quarters of the goods on board lorries entering from the crossing were stolen.

"UN officials say the vehicles are systematically attacked and stopped by armed gangs, particularly those smuggling cigarettes, which are sold on the black market in Gaza for exorbitant amounts. Lorries bringing fuel into Gaza have also recently been targeted."   https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22ymmp46ro
 

The above BBC article describes how some Palestinians loot the aid trucks and how some supplies end upmup being sold  in market stalls.

 

An article from the U.S. NPR (National Public Radio):

 

"Muhannad Hadi, who oversees the U.N.'s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in Gaza and the West Bank, visited the Gaza side of the crossing last week and his office put out a bleak description.

"'Mr. Hadi witnessed the consequences of the breakdown in public order and safety as he entered and exited the Kerem Shalom crossing,' the U.N. relief agency said in a statement. 'He saw groups of men with sticks waiting for trucks to leave the Kerem Shalom crossing into Gaza. All trucks he passed were badly damaged, with broken windshields, mirrors and hoods.'"

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/15/nx-s1-5035998/gaza-israel-food-aid-piling-up-not-reaching-those-in-need

 

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I'm asking for proof, just say if you don't have any.

I have never seen any proof of Israeli captives being raped. 

 

You may not have seen it, but plenty of proof  exists.  I 'll begin with a statement by the Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, Pramila Patten, on the one-year anniversary of the Oct. 7 attack.  

"She also recalled the conclusions of her mission to Israel earlier this year, that conflict-related sexual violence including rape and gang rape, was committed during the 7 October attacks in multiple locations across the Gaza periphery; and subsequently against hostages during their captivity. She also recalled having reasonable grounds to believe that such violence against hostages may still be ongoing. Special Representative Patten expresses her continued concerns about the plight of hostages still in captivity in Gaza and reiterates her call for their immediate, safe and unconditional release."

https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/a-year-after-the-7-october-attacks-un-special-representative-of-the-secretary-general-on-sexual-violence-in-conflict-ms-pramila-patten-remembers-the-victims-of-the-attacks-and-reiterates-her-call/

 

Some of the most compelling proof has already been posted on AN.  It concerns the murder of Shani Louk and the parading of her half-naked body through Gaza on the back of a pick-up truck.  https://aseannow.com/topic/1339779-documentary-explores-war-crimes-being-posted-on-social-media/page/2/

 

This Web site has both eye-witness testimony and video evidence.  https://www.hamas-massacre.net/categories/mass-rapes

 

From the BBC:   Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

 

"The BBC has seen and heard evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women during the 7 October Hamas attacks."

"Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers."

"Few victims are thought to have survived to tell their own stories."

 

A similar article from CNN:   What we know about rape and sexual violence inflicted by Hamas during its terror attack on Israel

 

One of the most extensive accounts comes from Haaretz.   An excerpt:

"There are at least 15 survivors from the Nova music festival, where more than 360 people were murdered, who were witnesses to acts of individual rape and gang rape at different places on the grounds of the party, near Kibbutz Re'im. Five have already spoken about what they saw in the media."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-magazine/witnesses-confessions-naked-dead-bodies-all-the-evidence-of-hamas-rape-on-oct-7/0000018e-f114-d92e-abfe-f77f7e3f0000

 

What more evidence could anyone ask for?

 

[niccodemi]

Interview with Mark Perlmutter, US doctor who volunteered in Gaza, in which he provides a realistic picture of things happening on the ground and in general.

[Bkk Brian]

Good news keeps flowing in..............

 

BREAKING: Reuters have reported that the IDF has arrested 100 Hamas militants in northern Gaza during a recent raid.

 

 

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A couple of topic troll posts removed @georgegeorgia

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good news keeps flowing in..............

 

BREAKING: Reuters have reported that the IDF has arrested 100 Hamas militants in northern Gaza during a recent raid.

 

 

Good news that!

[niccodemi]

More than 3000 Israelis have signed an open letter "Save us from ourselves" calling on international community to put pressure on Israel to stop current actions and policies towards its neighbors.

 

"Unfortunately, the majority of Israelis support the continuation of the war and massacres, and a change from within is not currently feasible. The state of Israel is on a suicidal path and sows destruction and devastation that increase day by day"

[Bkk Brian]

45 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

More than 3000 Israelis have signed an open letter "Save us from ourselves" calling on international community to put pressure on Israel to stop current actions and policies towards its neighbors.

 

"Unfortunately, the majority of Israelis support the continuation of the war and massacres, and a change from within is not currently feasible. The state of Israel is on a suicidal path and sows destruction and devastation that increase day by day"

Over 9 million in Israel and the majority do not as alledged support massacres nor are they on a suicidal path. They do support Hamas being eliminated and the return of hostages ..........

[Bkk Brian]

I truly hope the remaining hostages will be returned home safely but its really not looking good as we all know..........

 

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1850968273594061222

 

[Cryingdick]

Israel might want to hit Iran hard now given the USA election results. This would force our hand early now with the lame duck in office. The know with Trump they will have unwavering support.

[Patong2021]

5 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Israel might want to hit Iran hard now given the USA election results. This would force our hand early now with the lame duck in office. The know with Trump they will have unwavering support.

 

I am not so sure. Israel cannot rely solely on the USA, and the support for Israel within the Republican Congress is not guaranteed.

Israel needs access to EU markets too and needs to have security with its arab neighbors.