Rising Toll: 16,000 Russian Soldiers Killed in Ukraine Since April

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

No one sane would negotiate if the preconditions were unacceptable.

 

Maybe you would. Tell you what, we can negotiate about this, but only if you first condemn Putin's bloody invasion of Ukraine.

 what were the preconditions.... ?

 

it doesn't seem that you know what negotiate means. 

 

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You think the Kremlin is going to admit it has lost 1000 troops in one day? Or the true death toll to the Russian people?

 

The Soviet Union fell on the basis of losing 15,000 KIA in Afghanistan over a time frame of 9 years. That's dwarfed by the death toll in Ukraine, in two years.

 

It's only Putin's iron grip on the media that has prevented a revolution already.

 

Each Ukrainian has to kill 6 Russian soldiers for parity. Given the poor training the Russians have, and the bone-headed military doctrine, not impossible.

do you think Ukraine will admit to great losses?

 

Putins iron grip....

 

like you know anything of Russian military

[Gweiloman]

20 hours ago, rice555 said:

More than 1.6 million military aged Ukraine men left Ukraine rather than join the military,

most are spread out over Europe. To try to get them back, they can't use Ukraine banking services, and now can only renew their PP's in Ukraine, not at any EU Ukraine consulate.

 

I watched some videos of young Ukrainian men being forcefully beaten up and manhandled into trucks. Presumably these men are going to be sent to the frontlines and will probably die there. Quite tragic honestly. 

[newbee2022]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Russia Loses 1,380 Troops, 50 Artillery Pieces in One Day: Kyiv

 

Every day brings us closer to Russian defeat.

Says WHO ????

[Gweiloman]

14 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The talks in 2022 are irrelevant, as Russia demanded unacceptable preconditions.

What are these unacceptable preconditions?

 

I saw an interview in which Arestovych, a one time aide to Zelensky said they popped champagne to celebrate the successful negotiations which was subsequently scuppered by Boris Johnson.

[Gweiloman]

23 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Says WHO ????

Final Fantasy and the Hope strategy rolled into one lol.

[Bkk Brian]

As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide

(Reuters) - Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

https://archive.ph/c7B6W

 

[frank83628]

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide

(Reuters) - Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

https://archive.ph/c7B6W

 

unnamed sources.

[rickudon]

Been following this war on Sarcastosaurus. Russia has used up 50% of its foreifn currency reserves and at least 50% of its armored vehicles. If the war continues for 2 more years Russia will be on the point of economic and military collapse. 

Ukraines problem is a lack of manpower and Russian glide bombs. There is no solutuon currently to the glide bombs, they degrade Ukrainian defenses to the point where they provide no cover, which forces the Ukrainians to withdraw or suffer heavy casualties. The russian 'meat' attacks result in heavy Russian casualties, typically about 80% of each human wave. It is sensible in the short term for Ukraine to trade land for Russian lives.

So the question is, who runs out first?

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

What are these unacceptable preconditions?

 

I saw an interview in which Arestovych, a one time aide to Zelensky said they popped champagne to celebrate the successful negotiations which was subsequently scuppered by Boris Johnson.

I am sure there were Nazi propagandists who suggested negotiations with Germany during the London Blitz.

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Says WHO ????

What happens when the Russians run out of tanks?

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

I am sure there were Nazi propagandists who suggested negotiations with Germany during the London Blitz.

When you have nothing, go off topic…

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

What happens when the Russians run out of tanks?

Probably not within your life span.

Also the nowadays war changed to Hybrid-, drone- and cyber war. 

But again: you can send lots of weapons to Ukraine. At the end there are no soldiers to fight with.

Many men will die. At the end for a failed state. Who, do you think will build up Ukraine again? Nobody there. Russia is not in any hurry. It's a war of attrition. 

(Russia did not even start mobilization yet).