10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You're clueless of how Americans get ahead. Just because you can pay the bills on 40 hrs doesn't mean you don't want nice extras.

 

Sounds more like employer exploitation. So may Americans are on low hourly rates. In a sense it's an insult to encourage them to work overtime, you know a thing called work / life balance or isn't that recognised for the low paid in the US for quality of life?

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Sounds more like employer exploitation. So may Americans are on low hourly rates. In a sense it's an insult to encourage them to work overtime, you know a thing called work / life balance or isn't that recognised for the low paid in the US for quality of life?

No, it's more like I want a house, nice car, take vacations, provide kid with private school. The American Dream isn't handed to you.

3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Deflect much? That's not the point, which is the former president/convict/serial sexual predator/fraudster is lying yet again, and gullible red hats are defending his obviously transparent swindle.

I don’t disagree with what Trump is up to and you won’t find me defending any of it, but my anecdote  is not a deflection.

 

 

51 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

No, it's more like I want a house, nice car, take vacations, provide kid with private school. The American Dream isn't handed to you.

 

Are you claiming Americans on low hourly rates  who work overtime can afford the above? I find that difficult to believe.

 

The federal minimum wage has been stuck at $7.25 an hour for seven years. This is a poverty wage, and has an effect on wages for millions of jobs. Overall, 58.3 million workers (43.7 percent) earn under $15 an hour; 41.7 million (31.3 percent) earn under $12 an hour.

 

https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/countries/united-states/poverty-in-the-us/low-wage-map/#:~:text=The federal minimum wage has,earn under %2412 an hour.

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Doesn't make sense for the employer at time and a half, whether there's income tax or not.

 

Exempting income taxes on overtime can't benefit fat cats, all of whom are exempt. It's a good political move.

 

I agree on both points.

 

The obvious response of course to Trump is both "why didn't you do that when you were President?" and "why did your massive tax cuts stop for the working people but continue in perpetuity for the wealthy and corporations?" Of course, these cuts were not offset by reduced spending or other means so added a huge amount to the deficit and were disproportionately beneficial to the highest income brackets.

6 hours ago, Irish star said:

It would never be implemented like anything he says , No Plans No Policies 

 

But what about the concepts? Beautiful concepts, the best. I mean, concepts that have taken YEARS to develop! Can't make the best plans without the best concepts. 

Great policy. Reward hard work not workshy benefit scroungers.

 

How long before Harris copies this one? 

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Great policy. Reward hard work not workshy benefit scroungers.

 

How long before Harris copies this one? 

If she copies it, she adds to the deficit. There's no free lunch.

 

Trump is all mouth, and no delivery. The Mexicans did not pay for any of his measly wall. COVID did not disappear. His great new healthcare plan never saw the light of day. He left office with more unemployed than when he started.

 

Why are so many Americans so stupid, they will believe a failure as a President and human being will do better with a second chance? Why are they so gullible they think he will deliver on ANY election promise, when he is renowned for lying like a pig in sh!t?

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

why did all the msm call her that then?

 

It was something they used at the start cos they got it wrong. Biden put together a border package with leading and very stringent, conservative Reps. (He was responsible for the border as Pressy yuh know?). It was all agreed and ready to go down.

 

Trump vetoed it for the reason I gave.

 

Thinks ... Does that make him border czar?

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3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

why did all the msm call her that then?

 

 

Oh my.....you don't think...surely not....no....the msm got something wrong or were looking for clickbait terms to print????

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

We will give you a break on your overtime pay, but we will raise your taxes by imposing enormous tariffs on a wide range of imported goods, punishing both you the consumer, and the American companies that manufacture overseas.

 

Sounds fair, sounds like a good trade-off? 

 

It does if it makes it more economical for those companies to move their manufacturing back to the USA.

 

So far Trump has promised to eliminate the income tax, cut the corporate tax, get rid of the tax on tips, eliminate the tax on overtime, and cut the deficit. Ha ha ha ha ha

5 hours ago, BusyB said:

He still can't believe what happened to him ... still running around saying he won.

 

He did. 

 

Accidentally, and it's been a slow fuse.  But Springfield's migrant problems are exploding on the interwebs because of Trump's "they eat cats" faux pas.  He couldn't buy that kind of exposure to the Harris/Biden migrant problems all around the country.  Even the MSM are explaining why the 15,000 Haitians are responsible for collapsing the city's schools, their traffic, their violent crime rates, and their housing.  But there's no proof they eat cats.

 

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

He did. 

 

Accidentally, and it's been a slow fuse.  But Springfield's migrant problems are exploding on the interwebs because of Trump's "they eat cats" faux pas.  He couldn't buy that kind of exposure to the Harris/Biden migrant problems all around the country.  Even the MSM are explaining why the 15,000 Haitians are responsible for collapsing the city's schools, their traffic, their violent crime rates, and their housing.  But there's no proof they eat cats.

 

 

"faux pas".

 

You mean lie. Conscious, deliberate lie. Even now. Constantly and continuously.

 

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Are you claiming Americans on low hourly rates  who work overtime can afford the above? I find that difficult to believe.

 

I was making $20 an hour back in the '80s, non-exempt.  (That means I was entitled to overtime pay)  The big discussions in the breakroom were whether working the overtime would put us in a higher tax bracket and we'd end up with less in our paychecks.  It never worked out that we'd make less for working those hours.  But it was common to find out that I wasn't making time and a half ($30), it was more like $15 an hour after taxes.  Which sucked.  Not much incentive to work those extra hours if that's the case. 

 

Then I granulated and got a salaried job, not entitled to overtime.  Then, I worked all those extra hours for free, in the vain hope that I'd get promoted faster.  Sucked even more, because the good looking blonde guys got all the promotions, no matter how little extra time they put in.

 

Edit:  My bad.  I got 2 eras in my life conflated. I wasn't making $40 an hour until the late '90s.  Doesn't change the gist of the issue.  But I confess to changing the numbers to be accurate.

 

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7 minutes ago, BusyB said:

"faux pas".

 

You mean lie. Conscious, deliberate lie. Even now. Constantly and continuously.

 

Call it what you want.  It's exploding on the interwebs.  Everyone's talking about the Harris/Biden Haitian problem in Springfield.

 

And keep in mind the voters know all politicians lie.  That's baked in.  They're over it.  That's not nearly as bad as the voters finding out cities are being devastated by bad policy.

 

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1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Call it what you want.  It's exploding on the interwebs.  Everyone's talking about the Harris/Biden Haitian problem in Springfield.

 

And keep in mind the voters know all politicians lie.  That's baked in.  They're over it.  That's not nearly as bad as the voters finding out cities are being devastated by bad policy.

 

 

I call it a lie, because it is a lie. It's not 'what I want'. 

 

If you really are interested in a more balanced take on the subject I found this quite easily. Reuters is reputable and I have had dealings with them in the past so I know how they work. (And others, although it's quite clear that most of the 'MSM' whiners and howlers have never been within pitching distance of an actual newsroom and have no idea or clue how they actually work.)

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/

 

It's a tale of the ups and downs of a high immigration load. Most of whom are LEGAL! (So there won't be any 'mass deportations à la Eichmann.) Virtually none of whom are engaged in crime according even to the police. And most of whom WANT to work and pay back the chance they've been given to finally live at peace and no longer have to fear inconceivable violence and war. This applies to most migrants by the way.

 

It's a story of chances and opportunities and challenges. There is no hint or  mention anywhere by anyone involved of the city being 'devastated'. Utter piffle.

 

It's just a lot easier to kick down on the vulnerable than perhaps face off against those who pay any lower wages in the first place right? I'm sure you agree having just posted how you worked for nothing in the hope of a pat on the head from your bosses.

 

I can look in the mirror and say I've never worked an hour in my life for nothing. And the last one who tried got more than he bargained for because I owned him. I don't need to pick on the weak and vulnerable and spread unfounded rumors and lies, which by their very nature are more numerous and half way around the world before anything resembling the truth even has its boots on.

 

Trump and Vance were still lying about pooch and goose gobblers the last I looked a couple of hours ago.

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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Great policy. Reward hard work not workshy benefit scroungers.

 

How long before Harris copies this one? 

What's that got to do with a living minimum wage?

17 hours ago, G_Money said:

Biden/Harrris certainly didn’t/will not do it.

 

It is a blueprint for tax evasion and is a gimmick.

Tax policy should be simplified and enforceable, not turned into playground for cheaters.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Call it what you want.  It's exploding on the interwebs.  Everyone's talking about the Harris/Biden Haitian problem in Springfield.

 

And keep in mind the voters know all politicians lie.  That's baked in.  They're over it.  That's not nearly as bad as the voters finding out cities are being devastated by bad policy.

 

Only the bigots and ignorant easily manipulated by hateful lies. If  the USA's  ethnic minorities wanted evidence of  how racist the MAGA collective are, the Springfield "Willie Horton" lie  seals the deal.

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announcing his plan to eliminate taxes on overtime pay

 

What a brilliant idea.

 

If I hadn't seen the debate I'd say he's a genius.

9 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

Tug maybe he did not think of this the first time around.  Harris could have kept our borders secure not undoing Trump's work.  Where does Trump owe taxes?  You are so full of BS.  Why not join the Harris team.  You would fit right in.   You ever mention the taxes owed by Al Sharpton and all the years he has owed them?  I hope the people here see you for what you are.  I sure do.

Aww jee wizz here ya hurt my feelings with your personal attack on my character…..not lol 😂 the sad reality is trump is pandering for votes .as with his past record of not getting stuff done it’s just noise out of his mouth hole.and spidermike brought up a really good point about his tariffs we consumers would (and are) paying now and if tragically he gets back in.thaipo who killed the bipartisan border bill?are you lucid enough to realize just who did?

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14 hours ago, 300sd said:

No tax on overtime sounds like a good idea. But not if Trump says it huh!

Liberal hypocrisy at its finest moment.

 

Thanks for proving who you really are.

One personal attack removed.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It is a blueprint for tax evasion and is a gimmick.

Tax policy should be simplified and enforceable, not turned into playground for cheaters.

“blueprint for tax evasion“

 

In what way?

 

Are you concerned there won’t be enough tax money for the freeloading illegal aliens for their Obama/Biden/Harris phones, free meals, hotel vouchers, free medical and last but not least rechargeable visa debit cards to buy all those lottery tickets.

11 hours ago, Irish star said:

She was never border Czar are you just ignorant, she is a VP she signs Bills it’s her job , get off Qanon and do some research ffs 

You’re more ignorant than you appear.

 

Biden appointed her “Border Czar “ in which she failed tremendously.  Like her 2020 bid for Presidency.

 

A product of the woke, DEI mindset that people like you created.

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18 hours ago, Tug said:

He didn’t pay income taxes for years he did pay some recently because he sold one of the properties daddy left him before that he was milking the loss of the casinos he failed at.

All perfectly legal within the US tax code.

 

He even admitted it’s a rigged system during his debate with Hillary and used by himself and the mega donors to Hillary and the Democratic causes.

 

If you or other white liberals on this forum has issues with how much Trump pays in taxes consult your representatives in Congress and lobby for changes in the tax code.

 

Otherwise your whining has no merit.

Trump vows .....

Sure, next topic please.

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

You’re more ignorant than you appear.

Biden appointed her “Border Czar “ in which she failed tremendously.  Like her 2020 bid for Presidency.

A product of the woke, DEI mindset that people like you created.

 

President Biden did not appoint a border czar. There is no position in the US administration of "border czar".

VP Harris had no legal authority to enforce or to apply US border or immigration laws. 

The only ignorance  demonstrated is in those who keep insisting that the Vice President was responsible for the enactment of laws (Congress is) or the enforcement of laws (Department of Homeland Security and  CBP is).