Dry herb vape recommendation anyone?

[LukKrueng]

Hi,

I've been looking for a good but cheap dry herb vape for a while now. I have a DynaVap vape that was working great at the beginning, but not very good lately (probably reassembled wrong after cleaning).

I see now that there are many electronic vapes for reasonably low prices (under 2000THB) such as Virgo, Gemini, Edge V2, Pathfinder and more. 

Anyone here using one of those? Recommendations?

 

TIA 

[HugoFastor]

Anything around 2,000 Baht or less probably won't last and/or work so well. The one below is high quality and good value. Quality is on the same level as many of the more expensive ones:

 

https://stablevape.com/หมวดหมู่/(พร้อมส่งด่วน-!!-ของแท้)-Xmax-Starry-40-รุ่นใหม่ล่าสุด-ของแท้รับประกัน-1-ปี

 

This model costs a bit less, same brand and quality, but form factor isn't as nice:

 

https://kondee420.com/product/xmax-v3-pro-dry-herb-ของแท้รับประกัน-1-ปี/

[Jingthing]

I can highly recommend the Fenix Pro. Works well over time, well priced. and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to clean it (which is periodically a must for any vape).

 

 

[LukKrueng]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I can highly recommend the Fenix Pro. Works well over time, well priced. and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to clean it (which is periodically a must for any vape).

 

 

can't watch the VDO as I don't have any account I can log in with. I see a Fenix 2.0 for 4590THB. 

[LukKrueng]

49 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

Anything around 2,000 Baht or less probably won't last and/or work so well. The one below is high quality and good value. Quality is on the same level as many of the more expensive ones:

 

https://stablevape.com/หมวดหมู่/(พร้อมส่งด่วน-!!-ของแท้)-Xmax-Starry-40-รุ่นใหม่ล่าสุด-ของแท้รับประกัน-1-ปี

 

This model costs a bit less, same brand and quality, but form factor isn't as nice:

 

https://kondee420.com/product/xmax-v3-pro-dry-herb-ของแท้รับประกัน-1-ปี/

which 1 are you using / tried?

[HugoFastor]

2 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

which 1 are you using / tried?

 

I use the Starry 4 regularly. I also bought about 25 extra of their proprietary dosing capsules with it. The capsules are small stainless steel cartridges that fit right into the oven chamber. It comes with one when you buy the machine, but you can buy extra ones sold separately in packs of five. 

 

The advantage to the dosing capsules is that you never have to clean the oven because the dry herb never touches the oven surface. Eventually, I clean all the used capsules with alcohol and then reload all of them with ground up flower at once using about 5 grams of total ground flower. Then I can use the vape for 2 to 3 weeks without ever having to grind up and fiddle with any flower. I just swap the capsules within a second as needed. It is very fast and convenient this way and no regular cleanup is ever needed. 

 

You can probably fit up to 0.25 to 0.30 of a gram in each capsule if you pack them hard, but I've found using no more than 0.20 grams per capsule is best. A slightly smaller packing makes it easier for air to flow through the capsule for a smoother hit and then you won't have to draw so hard on the vape either. 

 

The mouthpiece requires cleaning because it gets filled up with resin. 3 small removable metal pieces that need to be soaked in alcohol and then the larger rubber parts can be cleaned separately with alcohol using a cotton swab. 

 

You can also buy a second mouthpiece separately so that you can swap them when one gets filled up with resin and this will reduce cleaning frequency. Then you can clean both of them at once, after they both require cleaning. The manufacturer has a short video on their YouTube channel showing more about how to clean the mouthpiece.

 

I also like the fact that the battery is removable. So you can buy spare batteries separately and swap them out too. If the battery runs out of power while you're using it, you can then swap the battery with a pre-charged spare battery. Or you can charge the existing battery that is in the machine with a USB-C cable connected to the device and then you can continue to use it while it's charging if you want to. Many of the other lower cost battery powered devices can't continue to be used while the battery is charging.

 

You can heat the oven up to as high as 240°C, but I've found using it at 190°C offers a good balance of delivering the vapors without hurting your throat. Some people like using higher temperatures because you will see a lot more vape smoke as you exhale. To me that doesn't matter and a higher temperature also causes the flower to heat up more, which delivers more of a burnt taste to it that I don't like. 

[Peabody]

I swear by the Flowermate V5 Nano. A hair under 5K THB, shipping available here in LoS. Removable battery, convection, easy cleaning, chamber holds 0.3g, variable temp range. Extra screens, cleaning brush, cable, a nice storage bag, everything closes up and packs together for easy, no-spill, transport. Has small capsule for pre-loading and capsule for oil/extracts.   I own 2.

[rice555]

Another for the Starry 4 !!!

Taken apart, with the mouth piece rotated and the battery door open,

card and coin for size ref.

 

Air adjustment, On-Off, Temp-Battery indicator, Temp + - and screen rotation

adjustment buttons. 

 

 

 

 

[rice555]

Forgot the USB on the bottom and the basket is full of Strawberry Gorilla. 

[wombat]

15 hours ago, HugoFastor said:

 

I use the Starry 4 regularly. I also bought about 25 extra of their proprietary dosing capsules with it. The capsules are small stainless steel cartridges that fit right into the oven chamber. It comes with one when you buy the machine, but you can buy extra ones sold separately in packs of five. 

 

The advantage to the dosing capsules is that you never have to clean the oven because the dry herb never touches the oven surface. Eventually, I clean all the used capsules with alcohol and then reload all of them with ground up flower at once using about 5 grams of total ground flower. Then I can use the vape for 2 to 3 weeks without ever having to grind up and fiddle with any flower. I just swap the capsules within a second as needed. It is very fast and convenient this way and no regular cleanup is ever needed. 

 

You can probably fit up to 0.25 to 0.30 of a gram in each capsule if you pack them hard, but I've found using no more than 0.20 grams per capsule is best. A slightly smaller packing makes it easier for air to flow through the capsule for a smoother hit and then you won't have to draw so hard on the vape either. 

 

The mouthpiece requires cleaning because it gets filled up with resin. 3 small removable metal pieces that need to be soaked in alcohol and then the larger rubber parts can be cleaned separately with alcohol using a cotton swab. 

 

You can also buy a second mouthpiece separately so that you can swap them when one gets filled up with resin and this will reduce cleaning frequency. Then you can clean both of them at once, after they both require cleaning. The manufacturer has a short video on their YouTube channel showing more about how to clean the mouthpiece.

 

I also like the fact that the battery is removable. So you can buy spare batteries separately and swap them out too. If the battery runs out of power while you're using it, you can then swap the battery with a pre-charged spare battery. Or you can charge the existing battery that is in the machine with a USB-C cable connected to the device and then you can continue to use it while it's charging if you want to. Many of the other lower cost battery powered devices can't continue to be used while the battery is charging.

 

You can heat the oven up to as high as 240°C, but I've found using it at 190°C offers a good balance of delivering the vapors without hurting your throat. Some people like using higher temperatures because you will see a lot more vape smoke as you exhale. To me that doesn't matter and a higher temperature also causes the flower to heat up more, which delivers more of a burnt taste to it that I don't like. 

That all sounds way to much of a hassle.

I will stick with my one paper with filter joints...I think I'm addicted to the ritual 🙃🫠😉

[philthebook]

I have a couple I dont use I want to sell , cant remember the names, I will dip them out and post details.

[TimBKK]

XMax V3 Pro, well reviewed and reasonably priced.  After 2 years of use, quite happy with no major complaints.

 

https://asiavape.co/buy/vaporizer/xmax-v3-pro/

[LukKrueng]

Found the Starry V4 for 3,190 THB at https://kondee420.com/product/xmax-starry-4/
but can't find the accessories as per @HugoFastor

 

and the XMax V3 Pro Dry-herb Vaporizer for 2,890 THB

https://kondee420.com/product/xmax-v3-pro-dry-herb-ของแท้รับประกัน-1-ปี/

[HugoFastor]

9 hours ago, rice555 said:

Another for the Starry 4 !!!

Taken apart, with the mouth piece rotated and the battery door open,

card and coin for size ref.

 

Air adjustment, On-Off, Temp-Battery indicator, Temp + - and screen rotation

adjustment buttons. 

 

Nice! You can also buy a protective silicone sleeve for it, which sells for about ฿220 I think. You can find them on Shopee if you search for "Xmax Silicone". I put one on both of mine. It just prevents the metal from getting scratched up, it also makes it a bit grippier, and hopefully adds a bit of protection, if I were to drop one of them. 
 

There is also a setting on the device where you can flip the numbers over on the LCD screen in case you prefer to have the numbers facing the other way.
 

What temperature setting do you normally vape at?

 

[HugoFastor]

7 hours ago, wombat said:

That all sounds way to much of a hassle.

I will stick with my one paper with filter joints...I think I'm addicted to the ritual 🙃🫠😉

Sure, keep it simple. Why not. The biggest reason I switched to a dry herb vaporizer like this was because when I first started smoking, I immediately got a cough and had phlegm coming up from my throat regularly. As soon as I switched to the vape method, all my throat problems went away within a week. Also, when you vape, there is no tar or ash going into your lungs, because there is no real smoke and no combustion from a vape as opposed to smoking it. 

[HugoFastor]

2 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

Found the Starry V4 for 3,190 THB at https://kondee420.com/product/xmax-starry-4/
but can't find the accessories as per @HugoFastor

 

and the XMax V3 Pro Dry-herb Vaporizer for 2,890 THB

https://kondee420.com/product/xmax-v3-pro-dry-herb-ของแท้รับประกัน-1-ปี/

Mouthpiece: https://stablevape.com/หมวดหมู่/XMAX-Starry-Mouthpiece-ADST001

 

Dosing Capsules: https://stablevape.com/หมวดหมู่/Starry4-Dosing-capsule-set-ADST003

 

If you want to buy extra spare batteries, you can find them on Lazada. Just make sure you buy the ones with the flat head on the positive side of the battery tip as there are two slightly different designs of that same battery. 

 

There are also quite a few advantages I found to the Starry 4 versus the V3 Pro:

 

The Starry 4 can heat up to 240°C. The V3 Pro has a max temperature of only 220°C. Not an issue for me because I normally vape at 190°C anyway. But for people who prefer higher temperatures, it might make a difference to them.

 

The Starry 4 also has an adjustable airflow control vent slider which allows you to increase the fresh airflow through the oven, which then makes it easier to inhale from the vape. The V3 Pro doesn't have that feature. 

 

Also, the oven chamber of the V3 Pro only fits about 0.15 grams of flower. That isn't very much. The Starry 4 holds double that amount at up to 0.3 grams. 

 

Not sure if the V3 Pro can still be used while the battery is charging, but the Starry 4 can. The V3 Pro also seems to come with a lower capacity battery than the battery in the Starry 4. 

 

The Starry 4 is about an inch shorter in length than the V3 Pro, thus making it a bit more convenient to fit in your pocket and hold in the palm of your hand. 

 

Lastly, the V3 Pro will only stay powered on for a maximum of 6 minutes and then it automatically shuts off. Perhaps it's a heat issue. However, the Starry 4 can stay powered on for up to 10 minutes per session. 
 

[rice555]

56 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

Nice! You can also buy a protective silicone sleeve for it, which sells for about ฿220 I think. You can find them on Shopee if you search for "Xmax Silicone". I put one on both of mine. It just prevents the metal from getting scratched up, it also makes it a bit grippier, and hopefully adds a bit of protection, if I were to drop one of them. 
 

There is also a setting on the device where you can flip the numbers over on the LCD screen in case you prefer to have the numbers facing the other way.
 

What temperature setting do you normally vape at?

 

210

[HugoFastor]

3 minutes ago, rice555 said:

210

210 is good too. I've tried 200 and 210. But by the 3rd draw at 210 the herb gets really hot and I start to cough. I think anything above 170 is enough heat to draw out the THC. I normally go at 190 or 195 if the flower has a lot of resin. 
 

[rice555]

2 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

210 is good too. I've tried 200 and 210. But by the 3rd draw at 210 the herb gets really hot and I start to cough. I think anything above 170 is enough heat to draw out the THC. I normally go at 190 or 195 if the flower has a lot of resin. 
 

I had ordered more of the capsules 2 days before this thread.

Another option for the Starry 4 is, see pix.

[harryviking]

Why on earth is it always so necessary to always suck some <deleted> into your precious lungs???  Isn't it enough with all the damn particles in the air from December to March/April?? 

[HugoFastor]

9 minutes ago, harryviking said:

Why on earth is it always so necessary to always suck some <deleted> into your precious lungs???  Isn't it enough with all the damn particles in the air from December to March/April?? 

The method being discussed here is vaping, which works through induction heating. That means no open flame, no burning and no combustion, which means no particles going into your lungs. Only cannabinoids being inhaled in the form of vapors. Here is the science from a doctor:

 

 

 

[LukKrueng]

OK, seems like I'll go for the Starry 4. Will go to kondee's420 shop to get it myself. On their site they seem to be the cheapest for the vape but more expensive for the accessories, but might be different in person...

[Pushbiker]

Not really cheap, but by far the best vape: Storz & Bickel.
Once u use this, u will never ever use any other vape again. Different level..

[LukKrueng]

Got it. Starry 4 + silicon cover + 1 extra capsule total 3,150THB.

 

Now starts the learning curve...

So I did a 4 minutes session at 191c. Realized that not much vapor shows if taking short tokes, but getting more for long ones. Flavor is better than joint, but nothing special (3G).

Feeling is ok, but not strong after about 20 minutes.

Oh, it gets hot.... Glad I bought the cover. Will try with the silicon mouthpiece next time.

 

Question: How many 4/6/10 minutes sessions can you get out of each capsule?

Thanks

 

[HugoFastor]

2 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

Got it. Starry 4 + silicon cover + 1 extra capsule total 3,150THB.

 

Now starts the learning curve...

So I did a 4 minutes session at 191c. Realized that not much vapor shows if taking short tokes, but getting more for long ones. Flavor is better than joint, but nothing special (3G).

Feeling is ok, but not strong after about 20 minutes.

Oh, it gets hot.... Glad I bought the cover. Will try with the silicon mouthpiece next time.

 

Question: How many 4/6/10 minutes sessions can you get out of each capsule?

Thanks

 

Congratulations on your new acquisition. What you are tasting on the first two pulls is the real flavor of the cannabis. Something you may not have experienced before from smoking. Also, you will notice that different cannabis strains often have a very different flavor. Some taste a lot like pine. Others have a more fruity flavor. After the second pull it starts to taste a bit cooked though from being heated so high. 
 

At 190c you need to smoke it like a bong, not like a joint. So you need to do some long, 6-7 second pulls to get a good hit. If you want to do short puffs like a joint, then kick the temperature up to 210c, but be prepared for a harsher flavor. Also, I always open the sliding side vent on the vape all the way for better airflow.
 

Also, even if you do a very long and hard pull on the first hit at 190c, you normally won't see any smoke come out of your mouth until the second or third hit. At 210c you might see smoke on the first hit. But the amount of vape smoke isn't important. If you are vaping at 190c, and doing long pulls, you should still get good THC on each inhale, even if you don't see much smoke. 
 

I pack my capsules with about 0.2 grams to avoid packing them too tight. I used to use about 0.25 grams, but it was more work to get a hit. I don't measure the weight though. I know now by how packed it feels and that it's about 0.2 grams that I'm putting in there.
 

I don't vape the capsules based on session time, but based on hits. I used to do about 6 pulls before dumping the capsule out. But after the first 4 pulls the THC gets much weaker and the taste really declines. So now I just do 4 good pulls and dump it. 
 

I mainly use flower that has 25%+ THC. So 4 pulls out of a 0.2% gram loaded capsule gets me high for about 2 hours. Then I usually do a second one after about 90 minutes to keep the buzz going. If I use some lower grade flower with around 12-15% THC, then I normally only feel it for about an hour.

 

If you are only feeling it for about 20 minutes then either the flower you are using is not very potent or you are not taking in enough vape. You should feel it pretty strong for at least an hour from 4 good pulls, even if the THC content of the flower isn't very high. Or maybe you have a very high tolerance. 
 

Anyway, 2 capsules is equal to about a joint, or maybe a bit less. So think of it like that. If you normally smoke at least a full joint to get high, then you should probably be vaping about two capsules.
 

[LukKrueng]

12 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

If you are only feeling it for about 20 minutes then either the flower you are using is not very potent or you are not taking in enough vape.

 

Thanks for the detailed information. Very useful.

 

About the 20 minutes - what I meant was that about 20 minutes after vaping it felt like the high is peaking. It lasted for over an hour, but the peak was shallow somewhat. I did 2 more 4 minutes sessions after that using the same load, last try was on 200c. So it lasts long enough but not high enough. As you wrote - it might be the weed (triple gorilla) which also in joints feels less than the Wedding Crusher or Mimosa. BTW - the guy at the shop said you can do 10-20 sessions on 1 capsule... 

 

[LukKrueng]

Weed before / after 5 sessions, 4 minutes each:

[HugoFastor]

16 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

 

Thanks for the detailed information. Very useful.

 

About the 20 minutes - what I meant was that about 20 minutes after vaping it felt like the high is peaking. It lasted for over an hour, but the peak was shallow somewhat. I did 2 more 4 minutes sessions after that using the same load, last try was on 200c. So it lasts long enough but not high enough. As you wrote - it might be the weed (triple gorilla) which also in joints feels less than the Wedding Crusher or Mimosa. BTW - the guy at the shop said you can do 10-20 sessions on 1 capsule... 

 

 

Your welcome. I think perhaps there is a misunderstanding about session time.
 

The only purpose of a longer session time on the device is to keep the device on for a longer period of time so that one can take longer breaks between inhales without the machine shutting itself off.
 

But session time doesn't increase the effectivity of the cannabis or how many useful hits you can get from one capsule simply because you keep the machine powered on for a longer period of time.

 

The amount of cannabis that goes into one capsule is less than half a joint. It is somewhere around one bong hit. So, as I said, I normally take about four hits from a capsule and then dump it. If you keep hitting on the same capsule over and over there will be diminishing returns and very likely no added benefit. There is only so much THC contained in that small amount of cannabis in the capsule. So continuing to vape the from the same capsule over and over is not going to make you feel more high simply by doing more inhales from the same used-up capsule. 

 

If after 20 minutes you think that the high that you feel is not that strong then I would vape two freshly loaded capsules back to back instead of continuing to hit on the same used capsule over and over again. 

 

Do it like this: Take four, long hits off the first capsule. Then remove the capsule and replace it with a fresh one and take another four long hits. Then, after 20 minutes, you should be feeling very high, assuming it is good quality weed. And don't worry about the session time. Just take breaks between your hits based on what feels comfortable for you. 

 

I normally take four hits from a capsule within about a 2 to 3 minute period and then manually shut the machine off. 

 

I also don't normally need to vape a second capsule right away because four good hits from one capsule is usually enough for me. 

 

If I am going to vape more then I normally wait about 90 minutes to 2 hours before vaping a second capsule. But it all depends on the strength/level/amount of the THC contained within in the cannabis you are using and your own personal tolerance level.

[arick]

On 9/22/2024 at 10:51 AM, LukKrueng said:

Hi,

I've been looking for a good but cheap dry herb vape for a while now. I have a DynaVap vape that was working great at the beginning, but not very good lately (probably reassembled wrong after cleaning).

I see now that there are many electronic vapes for reasonably low prices (under 2000THB) such as Virgo, Gemini, Edge V2, Pathfinder and more. 

Anyone here using one of those? Recommendations?

 

TIA 

Under 2, 000bht I don't know where the hell you're buying your vapes they must be marking it up big time. Maximum price is 190-390

[stoner]

On 9/23/2024 at 6:13 AM, HugoFastor said:

The method being discussed here is vaping, which works through induction heating. That means no open flame, no burning and no combustion, which means no particles going into your lungs. Only cannabinoids being inhaled in the form of vapors. Here is the science from a doctor:

 

 

 

 

check out a few of @SamuiGrower posts regarding vaping. with some great links to some studies etc. very informative.