4 dead, 17 injured in shooting in Birmingham, Alabama

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Wikipedia is your friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024

Wikpedia is a glorified crib sheet for doing further research.

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Got a statistic? Got a definition of mass shooting for that statistic?

 

In the States, a mass shooting is where more than 4 people are killed or wounded.

 

From The Telegraph -

 

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This year, there have been at least 403 mass shootings - defined as a shooting involving at least four victims, dead or wounded - across the United States, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

 

[Yagoda]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

After only a few moments earlier:

 

I assumed the point being made would be far beyond you and your ilk.

[KhunLA]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Bit harsh so probably wouldnt fly. But gun criminals always catch a break under the Harris regime. Look at the stats out of NYC and Chicago. 

 

Now, me, right wing white man  if I capped some homeless skell on the NYC subway who was eating the liver of a 6 year old after beating her to death, with a legally purchased and owned somewhere else fine firearm like a Vickers Luger or even better, a Webley Fosberry, Id get arrested and prosecuted for Manslaughter and weapons posession and my $16,000 revolver would end up on the stash in Gracie Mansion.

Exactly correct, and why the problem will never be solved.  Crime is too profitable to the system.

 

Not the dem or rep states or cities, its the prosecutors & courts, with their plea bargaining and lax sentencing.   

 

There should not be such a thing as a "repeat violent offender", especially if a gun is used in any crime, or even in their possession illegally.

 

The citizens have the system they apparently want, or they would simply change it.   Talking, blaming, arguing about it does nothing.   These laws and officials is what they voted for and accept, so that's what the get.

 

Som nam naa

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

In the States, a mass shooting is where more than 4 people are killed or wounded.

 

From The Telegraph -

 

 

The Telegraph? LOL

[Yagoda]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Exactly correct, and why the problem will never be solved.  Crime is too profitable to the system.

 

Not the dem or rep states or cities, its the prosecutors & courts, with their plea bargaining and lax sentencing.   

 

There should not be such a thing as a "repeat violent offender", especially if a gun is used in any crime, or even in their possession illegally.

 

The citizens have the system they apparently want, or they would simply change it.   Talking, blaming, arguing about it does nothing.   These laws and officials is what they voted for and accept, so that's what the get.

 

Som nam naa

Well actually, an entire philosophical regime would have to be dismantled.

 

A Legislature can make Poss of a Weapon non plea bargainable, but then it will also need to fund new jails for those who cant make bail while awaiting trial. Need extra courts too.

[KhunLA]

Apparently we are all wrong ... if this is accurate ...

No minimum for mass shooting, just mass murder 

 

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Apparently we are all wrong ... if this is accurate ...

No minimum for mass shooting, just mass murder 

 

Never trust Wikpedia

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well actually, an entire philosophical regime would have to be dismantled.

 

A Legislature can make Poss of a Weapon non plea bargainable, but then it will also need to fund new jails for those who cant make bail while awaiting trial. Need extra courts too.

With no repeat offenders, so much less profit all around, since the problem got solved.

 

Got to lobby for more everything; police, equipment, jails, lawyers/Unis, courts, judges, staff, security.  And appeals, probation, rehab programs.   It all adds up to billion or trillions $$$$

 

Sort of like curing diseases, no repeat customers.  Cure gun crime, where's the profit in that.  IMHO

[bubblegum]

Let me guess: "Now is not the good time to talk politics".

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Never trust Wikpedia

If you're going to question every source, and supposedly quoting the FBI.  Then conversation over.  PICK ONE

 

Have a nice day.

Edited 7 hours ago by KhunLA

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

With no repeat offenders, so much less profit all around, since the problem got solved.

 

Got to lobby for more everything; police, equipment, jails, lawyers/Unis, courts, judges, staff, security.  And appeals, probation, rehab programs.   It all adds up to billion or trillions $$$$

 

Sort of like curing diseases, no repeat customers.  Cure gun crime, where's the profit in that.  IMHO

Especially if its just black folks shooting other black folks, no sense solving the problem by increasing law enforcement resources, lets just encourage it through bad policies.

 

Thats why 128 folks got shot in Chicago on July 4.

 

But hey, its the fault of law abiding gun owners, repubs, capitalists, racists, America itself. Lets use bare numbers to make political points by ignoring what the real story is.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

If you're going to question every source, and supposedly quoting the FBI.  Then conversation over.

 

Have a nice day.

You too. I was already familiar with the FBI source. You misunderstood my point, but thats the way it is.

[zepplin]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Well we can reelect Trump and get law and order restored.

Like he proudly did to Roe vrs Wade? 
He’s nothing but a rtard with bad hair and skin, and he would definitely not annoy his gun toting country inbred fans!

[impulse]

3 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

In the States, a mass shooting is where more than 4 people are killed or wounded.

 

From The Telegraph -

 

 

 

If only it were that simple...

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/05/mass-shooting-defined-meaning/7481731001/

 

The definition depends on their political goals.

 

 

[KhunLA]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Well we can reelect Trump and get law and order restored.

 

Trump can't do anything to solve the problem, as simply too late.  Close the border would help, but minimal

 

40 minutes ago, zepplin said:

Like he proudly did to Roe vrs Wade? 
He’s nothing but a rtard with bad hair and skin, and he would definitely not annoy his gun toting country inbred fans!

 

He didn't do anything to Roe vs Wade, the courts did & the correct decision (discussed on other threads)

 

He won't annoy legal gun owners, as no need to.  There are already enough laws (too many) on the books.  Only a couple loopholes in a couple states could be plugged, but not really the problem.

 

As stated earlier, the enforcement of current laws and revolving door prisons are the problem.  Second issue actually, as 1st issue starts at home, teaching the value of life.

[rice555]

2 hours ago, zepplin said:

Like he proudly did to Roe vrs Wade? 
He’s nothing but a rtard with bad hair and skin, and he would definitely not annoy his gun toting country inbred fans!

Not to be OT, but Roe vs Wade should have never been a law.

Later on in life she admitted "she" spread her legs, was not

rapped, the base of the law was on a false claim.

 

[spidermike007]

Yet Trump and the GOP continue to push back on requirements for deeper background checks and more restrictions on high-powered weapons that have no value when it comes to hunting and are not required for protecting the home. So what are they used for?

 

Does the GOP and does Trump support mass shootings? 

[FruitPudding]

8 hours ago, gargamon said:

There's been over 450 mass shootings in the US so far this year. 

 

What counts as a mass shooting?

 

Do gangs of real OG's shooting each other up count?

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by FruitPudding

[MangoKorat]

25 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Yet Trump and the GOP continue to push back on requirements for deeper background checks and more restrictions on high-powered weapons that have no value when it comes to hunting and are not required for protecting the home. So what are they used for?

 

Does the GOP and does Trump support mass shootings? 

Come on, you know they are special. Americans must have guns, the country is different to any other place on earth. We don't need guns in the UK for example because we have no crime - or at least our crime is different to crime in the USA 😀.

 

I don't know about high powered weapons - there is no justification for owning any type of firearm - ouside sport.  Simply being in possesion of a gun makes it much more likely that it will be used unnecessarily  and used with fatal results.

 

Testosterone fuelled youths for eaxmple - at one time would have had a scrap on a Friday night out. Now, they shoot each other.

Edited 1 hour ago by MangoKorat

[spidermike007]

The Republican Party refuses to do anything meaningful to address gun control, and neither will Trump. Therefore some of this blood is on their hands, and they have to take some responsibility for the continuation of mass shootings in America. 

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, zepplin said:

Like he proudly did to Roe vrs Wade? 
He’s nothing but a rtard with bad hair and skin, and he would definitely not annoy his gun toting country inbred fans!

Gee thats intellectually compelling. I will change my vote after reading that, yesiree *insert the mother of all eye rolls*

 

PS its retard. If you want to use kindergarten taunts, you can at least spell them right. Oh wait its hate speech if you spell it right.