90 day online ... last 90 day, there was a glitch a week later approval

[john donson]

and ask to resubmit, but other people here also had an suggested to ignore

 

now I reached the date of resubmitting my 90 day, did a few days ago on correct date.

 

normally I got approval a few hours later, now nothing for days (yes, a few days before the weekend, not during)

 

new way to scam us out 2000 baht fine for 'not reporting' for an error on their side ?

 

 

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, john donson said:

and ask to resubmit, but other people here also had an suggested to ignore

It was either approved as your title suggests, or you were asked to resubmit - which one was it?

[Tod Daniels]

Your post is kind of confusing..

 

So last time you applied and it was approved in a week, correct?

 

This time you are trying to apply online within the new window of online applications from 2 weeks before the due date down to 1 week before the due date, correct?

 

And at this time your application is still pending, correct?

 

Whether you submitted a 90-day report online has nothing to do if you get the 2,000 baht failure to file a 90-day report within 7 days after it's due fine.

 

If the report that you filed online is not approved and you run over 7 days after the due date you will pull a 2,000 baht fine.

Submitting a 90-day report online is not the same as having it approved.

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, john donson said:

normally I got approval a few hours later, now nothing for days (yes, a few days before the weekend, not during)

I had "pending" online report (CW) for 2 weeks and went past my due date and into 7 day in person window. 

As a result did the report in person 5 days into Grace Period. 

If you skip it and eventually have rejected notice you most likely fined 2k

[Gobbler]

3 hours ago, john donson said:

and ask to resubmit, but other people here also had an suggested to ignore

 

now I reached the date of resubmitting my 90 day, did a few days ago on correct date.

 

normally I got approval a few hours later, now nothing for days (yes, a few days before the weekend, not during)

 

new way to scam us out 2000 baht fine for 'not reporting' for an error on their side ?

 

 

Go to immigration, they will fix it. 

 

[Felton Jarvis]

On 9/23/2024 at 12:31 PM, Gobbler said:

Go to immigration, they will fix it. 

 

Immigration won't fix a damn thing. I went to Jomtien because my online 90 Day was rejected. That ran me two days late and the airheaded girls at the desk insisted that I owed 2000 baht for late filing. No mention of the grace period. Thieves and grifters.

[MartinL]

41 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Immigration won't fix a damn thing. I went to Jomtien because my online 90 Day was rejected. That ran me two days late and the airheaded girls at the desk insisted that I owed 2000 baht for late filing. No mention of the grace period. Thieves and grifters.

 

 

I set-up a friend's 90-Day online account recently. The account was operational and we entered details for his first online application. He'd been doing in-person 90-Day reports for many years.

 

Name and address (street, tambon, amphur etc.), arrival date and extension renewal date were all as in passport and his yellow book. Presumably the yellow book address was the same as the blue book address it was tied to - I didn't see the blue book. Application was rejected.

 

He said he'd registered the address at the immigration office, many years ago, in the name of his village rather than the official tambon so we tried village name rather than tambon. Village name wasn't recognised by the online form so couldn't be entered.

 

I then suggested he do his 90-Day at the IO and, at the same time, ask for the address to be corrected to show tambon rather than village as in yellow book. The IO couldn't/wouldn't make the change for some reason.

 

Immigration office didn't seem at all helpful.

 

Edited September 25 by MartinL

[Felton Jarvis]

2 minutes ago, MartinL said:

 

 

I set-up a friend's 90-Day online account recently. The account was operational and we entered details for his first online application.

 

Name and address (street, tambon, amphur etc.), arrival date and extension renewal date were all as in passport and his yellow book. Presumably the yellow book address was the same as the blue book address it was tied to - I didn't see the blue book. Application was rejected.

 

He said he'd registered the address at the immigration office, many years ago, in the name of his village rather than the official tambon so we tried village name rather than tambon. Village name wasn't recognised by the online form.

 

I then suggested he do his 90-Day at the IO and, at the same time, ask for the address to be corrected to show tambon rather than village as in yellow book. The IO couldn't/wouldn't make the change for some reason.

 

Immigration office didn't seem at all helpful.

 

They will do as little as they possibly can and laugh at your distress. I am convinced they do not see the connection between their having a job and serving the expats who come to Immigration.

[Liquorice]

14 minutes ago, MartinL said:

I then suggested he do his 90-Day at the IO and, at the same time, ask for the address to be corrected to show tambon rather than village as in yellow book. The IO couldn't/wouldn't make the change for some reason.

To make a formal change of address, you need to file a new TM30.

[MartinL]

1 minute ago, Liquorice said:

To make a formal change of address, you need to file a new TM30.

Of course and the IO could have suggested that to him, perhaps done it there and then, but didn't. 

[mikebell]

1 hour ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Immigration won't fix a damn thing. I went to Jomtien because my online 90 Day was rejected. That ran me two days late and the airheaded girls at the desk insisted that I owed 2000 baht for late filing. No mention of the grace period. Thieves and grifters.

Me too.  I am now late; I thought I'd brought everything they could possibly ask for.   For proof of address I gave them a copy of my Car insurance Certificate complete with seal/my name/address.  This was sufficient last year; not so this year; likewise my driving licence which has my address on the back.  They are insisting on my rental agreement which is a mere Word doc, easily mocked up by anyone who can use the Internet.  Pattaya Immigration was swamped yesterday; not looking forward to today's battle.

[Liquorice]

41 minutes ago, MartinL said:

Of course and the IO could have suggested that to him, perhaps done it there and then, but didn't. 

It's not the IO's responsibility to complete the TM30.
Why didn't you suggest it and complete it there and then?

[MartinL]

8 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

It's not the IO's responsibility to complete the TM30.
Why didn't you suggest it and complete it there and then?

Why didn't I complete it????? Not me pal, some other bloke, if you read my posts. I was in another town at the time.

 

IOs make a number of suggestions when it suits them, IME, but equally don't help if they're not in the mood. Part of their remit should be to provide assistance where necessary but good luck with that.

Edited September 25 by MartinL

[Liquorice]

54 minutes ago, MartinL said:

Why didn't I complete it????? Not me pal, some other bloke, if you read my posts. I was in another town at the time.

Apologies, so it's just a hearsay account from a third party who obviously didn't have a clue, but it's the IO's fault - got it.

[DrJack54]

Off topic post removed. 

[Felton Jarvis]

On 9/23/2024 at 11:03 AM, Tod Daniels said:

Your post is kind of confusing..

 

So last time you applied and it was approved in a week, correct?

 

This time you are trying to apply online within the new window of online applications from 2 weeks before the due date down to 1 week before the due date, correct?

 

And at this time your application is still pending, correct?

 

Whether you submitted a 90-day report online has nothing to do if you get the 2,000 baht failure to file a 90-day report within 7 days after it's due fine.

 

If the report that you filed online is not approved and you run over 7 days after the due date you will pull a 2,000 baht fine.

Submitting a 90-day report online is not the same as having it approved.

The rather ditzy women at Immigration do not seem to know anything about a "grace period". They demanded an extra 2000 baht when the online submission ran me two days late because it was rejected, Later, I learn that they are having "problems" with the online submissions. There seems to be almost no way to win. That said, my agent's son told me he could do the 90 day reports for me. He can speak to them in Thai and get results. If I understood him correctly, he will do this for no charge. He and his Mom already handle my Extensions of Stay. The Mom is my landlady. Apparently SOME good news. I'm tired of being ripped off by Immigration.

[Lite Beer]

Note ** Aliens can report their residence before 15 days or after 7 days from the due date.

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/?page_id=1648

[Tod Daniels]

I think what has you confused is that just because you submit a 90 day report online, until it's approved it doesn't count for anything..

 

So if you file online, get the auto generated email saying you submitted and online 90 day report, but it's just pending and you run past your 7 days after the due date window to report in person, you will get fined the 2000 baht failure to file on time.

 

This is how it is

In person; you can apply from two weeks before until one week after the due date

Online; you can apply from two weeks before until one week before the due date (this is a recent change since the last TM 47 online update

By mail; (if your office allows it) you need to have the envelope postmarked two weeks before the due date.

 

That's pretty much how it is now a days

Edited September 28 by Tod Daniels

[Felton Jarvis]

2 hours ago, Lite Beer said:

Note ** Aliens can report their residence before 15 days or after 7 days from the due date.

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/?page_id=1648

SURE they can......unless the disinterested girls at the Immigration desk say otherwise. Policy be damned when you are dealing with Immigration, at least the desk at Jomtien.

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

Online; you can apply from two weeks before until one week before the due date (this is a recent change since the last TM 47 online update

Link?

[treetops]

On 9/28/2024 at 5:06 AM, Liquorice said:

Link?

 

It's not the rules as I've understood them, but this pic (from CW) was posted the other day which would back up the statement.

[Liquorice]

I'm wondering if this is just a change, submitting online at CW
https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/90days-report/

 

As online 90 day reports are always dated from the date of approval and not the due date, then effectively your next report could be due after only 83 days or even sooner.

 

There is no mention of a change on the other general Immigration website.

https://www.immigration.go.th/#serviceonline

 

As I'm within the 15-day window to submit (due 6th Oct), I contacted my IO yesterday who knew of no changes and confirmed they are still accepting and approving 90 day online reports up to and including the due date.
 

 

[MartinL]

On 9/28/2024 at 7:04 AM, Lite Beer said:

Note ** Aliens can report their residence before 15 days or after 7 days from the due date.

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/?page_id=1648

From this, I'd understand I can submit 90-Day, say, 18 days before due date and 10 days after due date but not within the 15 day and 7 day period either side of due date. Maybe they should get a NES proof reader who'd correct it to something like " ... 15 days before or 7 days after ...". Anyway, this seems to relate to in-person reports not online.

 

2 hours ago, treetops said:

 

It's not the rules as I've understood them, but this pic (from CW) was posted the other day which would back up the statement.

This says that I can submit online between 15 and 8 days before due date. This is much clearer.

 

But just looking at the online application form, it definitely says:-

 

 

I've always understood the online window to be 15 days before until due date and I always try to submit 2 days before due date and never had a problem. Maybe things will change next time, around 4th. December, and I should be prepared for a rejection and a visit to IO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bamnutsak]

I wonder why they made the change to reduce the window for 90-day reporting online.

 

They need to update the TM47 online user's guide.

 

Conditions for receiving notice of residence more than 90 days online
           - Submit a request in advance before the due date for the next report within 15 days.

 

https://tm47.immigration.go.th/manual/IndexForeign.html

[Unamerican]

On 9/25/2024 at 8:41 AM, mikebell said:

Pattaya Immigration was swamped yesterday

On the 26th it was relatively quiet there!