Kamala Harris Shifts Position on Border Wall, Signaling Tougher Stance on Immigration

[illisdean]

12 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

List, off the top of your head, five top-notch amazing things that Pence achieved?.

Secure border. And, he didn't create the worst humanitarian and child sex trafficking and national security crisis, that was border czar Kamala's claim to fame. Now violent criminals and gangs roam freely across America murdering and raping, and all sorts of violent crimes! 

 

But unlike Kamala, Pence was not the border czar, it was your beloved savior Kamala who created the border mess, and don't forget the humiliating Afghan withdrawal (she boasted about being "the last person in the room" with Biden.

 

FECKLESS, Kamala is a feckless failure and a lying fraud!

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, illisdean said:

She's just a brain addled liar offering no substanc and just lies, obfuscation, deceit, etc. All traits of liberals and their sheep followers.  

 

**Fact Check Kamala, the cackling word salad queen AND who has incidentally received an endorsement from,,,,,Putin! LOL

 

 

**Fact Check Kamala

She has the support of the Mad Mullahs of Iran too

[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Secure border. And, he didn't create the worst humanitarian and child sex trafficking and national security crisis, that was border czar Kamala's claim to fame. Now violent criminals and gangs roam freely across America murdering and raping, and all sorts of violent crimes! 

 

But unlike Kamala, Pence was not the border czar, it was your beloved savior Kamala who created the border mess, and don't forget the humiliating Afghan withdrawal (she boasted about being "the last person in the room" with Biden.

 

FECKLESS, Kamala is a feckless failure and a lying fraud!

False - Kamala was not the border czar

Wrong - Mike Pence was very involved in border security and defending Trump’s wall as the VP. 
Fact - Trump policies didn’t stop illegals entering including criminals etc

Reality - Trump is the lying fraud. 

[riclag]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You mean that bill that allowed for 5,000 illegals to enter every day before it required any border action at all? 

 

The one that proposed hiring thousands of agents and judges for the express purpose of letting them in faster?

 

The one that was totally unnecessary if Biden had just used the executive power that Trump used quite successfully, and Biden rescinded in his first week?

 

Is that the one you mean?  That DOA load of crap?  

 

You’re mentioning some of the reasons one of the Gop 

authors of the bill rejected his own bill.

It couldn’t even get out of the Senate,even some senate dems wouldn’t support it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4682181-senate-downs-border-bill/

 

https://oklahomavoice.com/2024/05/24/bipartisan-border-bill-loses-support-fails-procedural-vote-in-u-s-senate/

 

https://www.newsweek.com/republican-will-vote-against-his-own-border-bill-1903337

 

[riclag]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I want to hear Harris tell us it was wrong for Biden to reverse Trump's border policies. 

 

 

During his first day in office, Biden unveiled the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 and reversed many of Trump's policies on immigration, such as halting the construction of the Mexican border wall, travel ban, and signed an executive order to reaffirm protections for DACA recipients.^[1][2][3] The Biden administration and Department of Homeland Security, under leadership of Alejandro Mayorkas, reined in deportation practices of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), prioritizing national security and violent crime concerns over petty and nonviolent offenses.^[4]

Why doesn’t her party’s propaganda machine confront her with that receipt?

[riclag]

2 hours ago, illisdean said:

Kamal had 44 months to secure the southern border but did exactly the opposite allowing millions of unvetted illegal immigrants into the country along with 1.9M got-aways and she expects Americans to believe her fake concern now? Only her gullible brainwashed sheep followers beleive this cackling moron. Bidens regime and the border czar Kamala have unleashed and created the greatest national security and humanitarian sex/child trafficking crisis in American history! She can fix nothing, she's all talk, a consummate low achieving FRAUD.

 

 

Big news , jaw dropping!

It backs up Trumps claims of thousands of criminals are coming in!

[Hanaguma]

It amazes me how much lefties forget one of the largest victim groups from the whole border fiasco- the women and girls who are repeatedly raped and abused on their way to the southern border.  The numbers are staggering and absolutely horrid.  Yet by keeping the border open, the Biden-Harris administration contributed directly to the problem.

 

Not to mention that even the relatively well-off who use that route are also contributing to human smuggling. Nobody can approach the border on the Mexican side without paying the cartels. It is a billion plus dollar moneymaker for them.  So basically, every person who arrives in the US via that route has contributed to organized crime (often thousands of dolars each).  

 

The only solution is to remove the incentive. Close the border. Encourage Mexico to deal with their gang and mafia problem. 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some of us know why that was, and some of us either have very bad memories or are taking the michael.

Or some of you have bad memories.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Or some of you have bad memories.

I'll assume you are the latter.

[billd766]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

Big news , jaw dropping!

It backs up Trumps claims of thousands of criminals are coming in!

Claims are NOT proof, and the majority of the information from Trump are lies and false information.

 

Could that be one reason that Trump is known as a serial liar? He hates being fact checked and proven to be wrong and a liar.

[billd766]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll assume you are the latter.

Nice try but completely wrong about me, as usual.

[Eric Loh]

53 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It amazes me how much lefties forget one of the largest victim groups from the whole border fiasco- the women and girls who are repeatedly raped and abused on their way to the southern border.  The numbers are staggering and absolutely horrid.  Yet by keeping the border open, the Biden-Harris administration contributed directly to the problem.

 

Not to mention that even the relatively well-off who use that route are also contributing to human smuggling. Nobody can approach the border on the Mexican side without paying the cartels. It is a billion plus dollar moneymaker for them.  So basically, every person who arrives in the US via that route has contributed to organized crime (often thousands of dolars each).  

 

The only solution is to remove the incentive. Close the border. Encourage Mexico to deal with their gang and mafia problem. 

Ok I will bite. Should also close the airports and border crossing points since nearly half come by that routes. 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, illisdean said:

Secure border. And, he didn't create the worst humanitarian and child sex trafficking and national security crisis, that was border czar Kamala's claim to fame. Now violent criminals and gangs roam freely across America murdering and raping, and all sorts of violent crimes! 

 

But unlike Kamala, Pence was not the border czar, it was your beloved savior Kamala who created the border mess, and don't forget the humiliating Afghan withdrawal (she boasted about being "the last person in the room" with Biden.

 

FECKLESS, Kamala is a feckless failure and a lying fraud!

And illegals eat pets! Don't forget to mention it in your next rant! 😃

[Peabody]

9 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Too bad she didnt do it the last four years, she was tasked with it and failed. 

No she wasn't. Only in your head. Where did you get that idea?

[Peabody]

8 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

She was the border Czar

No she wasn't. What a "border czar"??

She was tasked with liaising with various South American countries to start to address the issues that cause vast numbers of their citizens to attempt to emigrate.

[Hanaguma]

39 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Ok I will bite. Should also close the airports and border crossing points since nearly half come by that routes. 

 

Well, starting by taking care of half the problem is a good start, don't you think?  

 

Land crossings can be tightened, airport arrivals can be monitored and deported if they overstay.

[Hanaguma]

14 minutes ago, Peabody said:

No she wasn't. What a "border czar"??

She was tasked with liaising with various South American countries to start to address the issues that cause vast numbers of their citizens to attempt to emigrate.

She was granted the job on March 24, 2021 by Biden.

 

"I’ve asked her, the VP, today — because she’s the most qualified person to do it — to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle and the countries that help — are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the migration to our southern border"

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/03/24/remarks-by-president-biden-and-vice-president-harris-in-a-meeting-on-immigration/

Edited September 28 by Hanaguma

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Well, starting by taking care of half the problem is a good start, don't you think?  

 

Land crossings can be tightened, airport arrivals can be monitored and deported if they overstay.

Ok that is fair comment. Basically you saying resources  need to be improved. Why then Trump reject the bipartisan bill that contain plans and fundings to so such that. If Trump don’t politicize the border, solutions are there in the bill. 

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, mdr224 said:

The real conundrum of the harris campaign, convincing us that she will fix the problems that biden created without telling us that theres a problem

That's what I was thinking. She's the VP, so everything she campaigns about has to align with Biden's stance and policies. A very unusual situation. 

 

Presumably she had to get Biden's nod for this 'position shift' on the border wall. 

 

Biden should've stepped down to allow Harris to run her own campaign. 

 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Ok that is fair comment. Basically you saying resources  need to be improved. Why then Trump reject the bipartisan bill that contain plans and fundings to so such that. If Trump don’t politicize the border, solutions are there in the bill. 

Because the bill would not have addressed any of the key issues, which are more policy than personnel.  The policy can be handled without Congress. Trump did it. Then Biden reversed it immediately on taking office.  The bill allowed for nearly 2 million illegals per year to enter the country. It also contained a way for illegals to become citizens, which should be a non starter. 

 

The bill you are talking about was an omnibus monster that had too many non related items crunched together into one piece of legislation. 

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, billd766 said:

Nice try but completely wrong about me, as usual.

Likewise.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Peabody said:

No she wasn't. What a "border czar"??

She was tasked with liaising with various South American countries to start to address the issues that cause vast numbers of their citizens to attempt to emigrate.

and failed completely to stop them coming. whichever way one looks at her she is a failure, IMO.

[JonnyF]

How many more policies can she steal from Trump?

 

She's an empty vessel. 

 

Luckily whenever it goes to a vote she loses. Roll on November 

[metisdead]

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[Will B Good]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Clutching and straws comes to mind.

 

 

You?

[Cameroni]

On 9/27/2024 at 10:39 PM, Social Media said:

 

Kamala Harris, once a vocal critic of the border wall during Donald Trump’s presidency, now pledges to allocate hundreds of millions of dollars to extend the barrier along the southern border if elected president. This shift comes as Harris embraces a more aggressive immigration policy, a significant departure from her previous liberal positions on issues such as Medicare for All and fracking, which her campaign now opposes.

 

Harris’ campaign appears to be adapting to the pressure of Trump’s repeated attacks on her stance on border security. While Harris now supports measures for the wall, she maintains key differences with Trump, particularly opposing family separation policies and mass deportation plans. In her recent speech at the Democratic National Convention, Harris voiced her intention to sign the bipartisan border security bill, a piece of legislation that Trump had previously blocked due to concerns it would politically benefit Democrats in the upcoming election.

 

The bill, negotiated by Senators James Lankford (R-Okla.) and Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), mandates that hundreds of millions of unspent funds be used to continue the construction of the border wall. Lankford remarked that the bill carries forward the standards set during the Trump administration regarding the structure’s height and location. "It requires the Trump border wall," Lankford told Axios, clarifying that the bill specifies where and how the wall must be built. The legislation’s estimated cost for continuing the wall stands at $650 million, a significant reduction from the $18 billion that Trump originally requested in 2018.

 

 

However, Harris’ camp argues that this legislation is not a full endorsement of Trump's wall and highlights that it involves much more than just wall funding. Her advisers pointed out that the bill does not allocate new money for the wall but merely extends the timeline for using funds appropriated during Trump's presidency, albeit with new restrictions to ensure these funds are used strictly for barriers. Additionally, the bill includes provisions to address the overloaded immigration system, such as increasing funding for asylum lawyers and judges, and grants the president the authority to close the border if more than 5,000 migrants cross in a single day.

 

This is a sharp contrast from Harris’ earlier stance. When she first ran for president in 2019, she condemned Trump’s wall as a "medieval vanity project" and consistently opposed any funding for its construction. In a 2020 Facebook post, Harris declared, "Trump's border wall is a complete waste of taxpayer money and won't make us any safer." Earlier, in 2017, shortly after joining the Senate, she called the wall a "stupid use of money" and vowed to block any efforts to fund it.

 

Harris' recent support of the bipartisan border security bill has raised eyebrows, even among some of her political colleagues. Senator Lankford expressed surprise at Harris' full embrace of the bill, noting that she had not participated in the negotiations. "We never saw any vice president staff here," Lankford remarked. "I know she's talking about it now, but she wasn't talking about it at all before." Meanwhile, Senator Murphy described the bill as "aggressive," noting that it introduces new tools to manage the border but also emphasized that it does not stray from the nation's core values.

 

Although President Biden had criticized Trump for killing the compromise bill, some Democrats, including Senator Alex Padilla of California, took issue with the conservative nature of the policies within it. Padilla opposed the bill, stating that it "fails to provide relief for a single Dreamer, a single farmworker, a single essential worker or long-term resident."

 

Harris has positioned herself as a hardliner on immigration in her campaign ads, showcasing her time as California's attorney general and highlighting her support for increasing the number of Border Patrol agents. These moves come as Trump’s campaign continues to attack her on the administration’s struggles to handle surges of migrants at the southern border.

 

Harris' evolving stance on immigration reflects how the political conversation around border security has shifted in recent years, largely influenced by Trump’s presidency. Her willingness to support aspects of the border wall is a marked departure from her earlier rhetoric, illustrating the pressures and complexities of immigration policy in contemporary American politics.

 

Based on a report from: AXIOS 2024-09-28

 

 

 

 

What an arousing picture they chose.

[Will B Good]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Clutching and straws comes to mind.

 

 

You?

[Will B Good]

 

 

Thank God polls count for diddly squat.

 

 

Harris stretches lead over Trump in what could be significant increase https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/28/harris-stretches-lead-over-trump?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Will B Good]

23 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Deflect again. By the way, your avatar, glorifying as it does the reputed murderous rapist Fatty Arbuckle is highly offensive. Its like putting Harvey Weinstein up there. Typical of the anti Trump crowd here I guess.

 

Oh my.........you are a sensitive little soul aren't you?

 

Comfortable with guns being the biggest killer of children in the US, comfortable with a lying, cheating, rapist and felon as your leader......

 

........But post a photo of a chubby guy and you fall to pieces......you need to grow a pair.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Oh my.........you are a sensitive little soul aren't you?

 

Comfortable with guns being the biggest killer of children in the US, comfortable with a lying, cheating, rapist and felon as your leader......

 

........But post a photo of a chubby guy and you fall to pieces......you need to grow a pair.

So you admit you are glorifying a rapist, while complaining about other rapists. Got it. If Donald Trump is a rapist and you hate that, why do you have a rapist as your avatar? Just curious. And not just a rapist, a rape murderer?

 

Yeah I know Fatty Arbuckle was aquitted. So was OJ.

 

Guess you have some credibility problems as well as problems with women.

 

Edited September 29 by Yagoda