Save The Children Urges Action on Child Road Deaths in Thailand

[paulikens]

On 10/3/2024 at 12:08 PM, DogNo1 said:

People in Thailand drive the same way that they walk - without any regard for others.  

When do Thais walk?🙄  The only time they walk is to their motorbike or car

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, paulikens said:

When do Thais walk?🙄  The only time they walk is to their motorbike or car

 

 

Au contraire.....   I can effortlessly rack up 10,000 steps in the blink of an eye while trailing behind my wife in a shopping mall - like a bewildered pack mule in a never-ending quest on what should become an Olympic-level endurance event. 

 

 

 

And... then there is this issue...  half the streets are barely navigable by foot... 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1339848-bangkok-streets-to-undergo-significant-improvements/#comment-19282053

 

[Rolo89]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:48 AM, spidermike007 said:

Nowhere else in the world have I seen people consistency take the kinds of chances and risks in the road, that they take here, with their families in the car. Nowhere.

I find Vietnam worse than Thailand for that. 

[MikeandDow]

17 hours ago, Rolo89 said:

I find Vietnam worse than Thailand for that. 

Its ALL of Asia No public safety, there is No education or safety awareness for road safety
the only acceptance to this is Singapore and Malaysia  the rest of Asia should look to them, its fine for Governments to form committee's and introduce new laws ect, BUT it is ENFORCEMENT  that is required, this will not happen until corruption and a culture change happens Lives are cheap in Asia and nobody cares !!

[save the frogs]

screw the frogs.

save the children, man!

 

[retarius]

Thailand is stuck in third-world-dom. 27,000 kids dead in 10 years on the roads and we all know nothing will be done about it. After the shock of this tragedy, you know that next week buses' inspectors will be back to certifying that buses with 11 gas canisters and canisters placed in the passenger compartment are legal. These inspectors will earn 4000 baht for each one of these death traps they allow on the roads. How many more kids will it take. It makes me weep.

[MikeandDow]

20 minutes ago, retarius said:

Thailand is stuck in third-world-dom. 27,000 kids dead in 10 years on the roads and we all know nothing will be done about it. After the shock of this tragedy, you know that next week buses' inspectors will be back to certifying that buses with 11 gas canisters and canisters placed in the passenger compartment are legal. These inspectors will earn 4000 baht for each one of these death traps they allow on the roads. How many more kids will it take. It makes me weep.

You are correct !!  I would like to know to what standard Inspectors  are checking vehicles to ?? the only way to check a gas system is by a pressure check and then soap check the joints  bet this is never done as it takes time to ,What are the qualification of the inspectors ??

[Rolo89]

11 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Its ALL of Asia No public safety, there is No education or safety awareness for road safety
the only acceptance to this is Singapore and Malaysia  the rest of Asia should look to them, its fine for Governments to form committee's and introduce new laws ect, BUT it is ENFORCEMENT  that is required, this will not happen until corruption and a culture change happens Lives are cheap in Asia and nobody cares !!

Well at least in Thailand they have bridges for people to cross the road. In Vietnam you're just supposed to cross the road and hope you aren't killed.

 

 In Hong Kong they issue fines for people crossing the road without a green man. In many Asian countries the green man means nothing.

 

If Thailand started enforcing the rare places where motorbikes are not allowed on pavements it might be a place to start.

 

I can understand why the Japanese have given up going abroad, everywhere else apart from SG is like hell if you're used to their pavements and road users.

[NoDisplayName]

10 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

You are correct !!  I would like to know to what standard Inspectors  are checking vehicles to ?? the only way to check a gas system is by a pressure check and then soap check the joints  bet this is never done as it takes time to ,What are the qualification of the inspectors ??

 

I take my Hilux NGV in for testing prior to each annual safety inspection.  Seems fairly efficient, takes about an hour with the paperwork.  Workers do pressure check and then soap the connections.  We get a 3-page document with photos for 500 baht.

 

They can only soap check the accessible connections, they don't/can't trace the entire line under the truck.

 

These buses (may) have documentation showing a legal 6-tank system, so that is what is checked.  DIY modifications, with extra hidden lines spliced in and additional tanks hidden throughout the passenger area, wouldn't be tested unless the somehow discovered by the workers.  Might even have a 'secret' valve to isolate the illicit part of the system during inspections.

[MikeandDow]

10 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

I take my Hilux NGV in for testing prior to each annual safety inspection.  Seems fairly efficient, takes about an hour with the paperwork.  Workers do pressure check and then soap the connections.  We get a 3-page document with photos for 500 baht.

 

They can only soap check the accessible connections, they don't/can't trace the entire line under the truck.

 

These buses (may) have documentation showing a legal 6-tank system, so that is what is checked.  DIY modifications, with extra hidden lines spliced in and additional tanks hidden throughout the passenger area, wouldn't be tested unless the somehow discovered by the workers.  Might even have a 'secret' valve to isolate the illicit part of the system during inspections.

Well If they do a pressure check !! I can not see the point if as you say they cannot check the inaccessible joint to me that is a failed test NOT checking the whole system whats the point of only check part  Thai logic

[NoDisplayName]

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

Well If they do a pressure check !! I can not see the point if as you say they cannot check the inaccessible joint to me that is a failed test NOT checking the whole system whats the point of only check part  Thai logic

 

The entire system may not be accessible.  Lines run through bulkheads or are blocked by frame members.  They inspect as much as they can, or as much as required.

 

If a spliced connection is installed in a place not visible during a standard inspection, who's ever gonna know? 

 

The inspectors are looking at the gas cylinders, the connections, the fittings in the engine compartment.  They don't have time to dismantle the bus interior to search for contraband tanks without reason.

[MikeandDow]

11 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

The entire system may not be accessible.  Lines run through bulkheads or are blocked by frame members.  They inspect as much as they can, or as much as required.

 

If a spliced connection is installed in a place not visible during a standard inspection, who's ever gonna know? 

 

The inspectors are looking at the gas cylinders, the connections, the fittings in the engine compartment.  They don't have time to dismantle the bus interior to search for contraband tanks without reason.

Looking at the standards for nvg vehicle its ALL Visual inspections the only  Pressure test is  when its installed so i don't know How u get a pressure test every year think you a bit of Bull Shxx and it is a comprehensive visual inspection of each joint  you need to read the Inspection standards   before giving bull

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Looking at the standards for nvg vehicle its ALL Visual inspections the only  Pressure test is  when its installed so i don't know How u get a pressure test every year think you a bit of Bull Shxx and it is a comprehensive visual inspection of each joint  you need to read the Inspection standards   before giving bull

 

Is that a fact!  Gosh, I was sure they were doing a pressure test.  Maybe the wife mistranslated when the station worker explained.  Oh, well.

 

In that case, absolutely no blame can go on the inspectors if they just have to spray some soapy water on the couplings.  Looks good!

[rattlesnake]

About 12 years ago, a young 18 year-old in my family-in-law died in a car accident because his friend was driving recklessly and none of them were wearing seatbelts. It was a terrible ordeal for everyone, especially his parents, and I thought they would never recover from it (especially his mum). All these years later, they are now doing "okay" and have moved on, to the extent possible. However:

 

Do they now wear seatbelts when they travel by car? No.

Do they raise awareness in the community so that what happened to them doesn't happen to someone else? No.

Do they wear helmets on their bikes? No.

 

To me, the fundamental factor seems to be Buddhism and the inherent belief that if your time has come, then that is the way it is and it is not in your hands.

 

[pattjock]

Everyone in Thailand know that the only thing that works is a lucky amulet. No helmets or other safety measures have more power

[MikeandDow]

20 minutes ago, pattjock said:

Everyone in Thailand know that the only thing that works is a lucky amulet. No helmets or other safety measures have more power

Stupid post on a serious subject  shame on you

[pattjock]

I just report what I see. I've seen hundreds of news posts om Asean Now where people credit their survival of a traffic accident to their lucky amulet. I'm still to see a single one giving credit to a helmet or safety belt.

 

As long as people have beliefs like this and ignore traffic regulations and the police don't enforce these regulations we will, unfortunately, have this carnage of traffic deaths.

[pattjock]

For over a year it has been compulsory for children under 6 years old to use a special seat, with harness, in cars. I'm still to see a single car here in Thailand where they follow this rule, 2000Baht fine. Usually the children sit in the cargo area of the pick-up.

[Photoguy21]

There are internationally recognised safety standards for every type of transport. Make the driving test a proper test with a course of practical driving and make it essential to pass it in order to have a license. All Thailand needs to do is rigidly implement these safety standards and road accidents will quickly come down.

[pattjock]

The Thai standards are pretty much the same as international standards in all aspects of traffic safety. The problem is that there is no enforcement by the police. Before covid most people used a helmet, after covid the police stopped checking this and now less than half of the motorcyclists use a helmet.

 

As for the license, a resent poll showed that 32% of drivers do not have a license.

 

Without enforcement there will be no change

[paulikens]

On 10/4/2024 at 1:38 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

Au contraire.....   I can effortlessly rack up 10,000 steps in the blink of an eye while trailing behind my wife in a shopping mall - like a bewildered pack mule in a never-ending quest on what should become an Olympic-level endurance event. 

 

 

 

And... then there is this issue...  half the streets are barely navigable by foot... 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1339848-bangkok-streets-to-undergo-significant-improvements/#comment-19282053

 

Why is there always someone on here who has to argue the fact.  Everybody knows Thais don't do walking.  Some of the people on here could start an argument in a phonebox