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[Liquorice]

5 hours ago, Rob Browder said:

There is no "been here too much" legal-reason for denial. 

Immigration have published guidelines which include refusal of entry for repeat VE entries.
If they consider the purpose of your visit is not solely for tourism purposes, they can refuse entry.

[Yagoda]

On 10/13/2024 at 9:47 AM, NanLaew said:

Correct. The basic biodata of name and date of birth will reveal one's entire immigration record and previous passports.

However.

 

I came in on a Temporary US Passport earlier this year, and they wanted to also see my Invalid (hole punched) passport which I conveniently brought. They looked at my prior visas and extensions. 1 minute. Have a good time.

[raz0r21]

lets summarize this then:

 

• There should be no problem entering visa exempt for OP after being out of Thailand for 4 months.
• Having a Tourist Visa would improve odds considerably.
• A new passport will probably not have any effect (but it could, since the IO would not have to scroll through several pages of stamps and start to get concerned).
• To guarantee entry, there are several services available (for a price).

• With any questions on arrival it's a good idea to have clear itinerary, accommodation, 20k baht cash etc.

• Airline at departure may/will require proof of onward flight.

• If denied entry, there is a chance that you could be sent to a neighboring country (if you are guaranteed entry in said country). In other cases, you will be sent home to your home country at your own expense.

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, raz0r21 said:

lets summarize this then:

Pretty good summary. Not so much 

your last point. The norm would be flown back to where you departed or passport country. 

[Liquorice]

44 minutes ago, raz0r21 said:

Airline at departure may/will require proof of onward flight.

I'd just add that for that onward flight to be of any use if entry we're denied, ensure that flight departs from the same airport you land at.

[Bvor]

2 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Immigration have published guidelines which include refusal of entry for repeat VE entries.

Guidelines following MFA 60 day visa exempt implementation?.............please provide link. 

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, Bvor said:

Guidelines following MFA 60 day visa exempt implementation?.............please provide link. 

Immigration guidelines for VE entries.
The fact it's now 60 day entries and not 30 days doesn't change the guidelines.
It's a PDF file, which can't be posted.

 

MFA are not responsible for Immigration entries and internal affairs.

Edited 6 hours ago by Liquorice

[transam]

6 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

As I pointed out in my first reply you should not have an issue entering visa exempt given you have been out of Thailand for few months.

Then what for next semi extended stay after that? 

Thailand provides options (too many in my book) .....you can obtain a METV that provides a stay up to 9 months. Granted need to bounce every 60/90 days..

Sweet deal. 

Why is it "Too many in your book"...?  🤔

[Bvor]

27 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

It's a PDF file, which can't be posted.

Yes I acknowledge  the immigration,MFA, foreign embassy disconnect............... where can I find this PDF file?

I am trying to prepare myself for possible IO interrogation re "not a tourist too many visits"  I do have many years of successful TR's and VE's.  Going forward I want to holiday 6 x 30 days (minus 1 day  = 179 days) per calender year. the rest of the time I spend in Oz where I am an old age pensioner with house, car, family - none of which I have in Thailand cos I not want to live/work in LOS. Non O retirement is an overkill for me and  tying up 800,000 in a Thai bank I lose 44,000 baht Oz bank interest. As the title would seem to suggest the  Multi Entry Tourist Visa appears the" logical " visa in my circumstances ie 6 holiday visits per year - but there are reports of IO problems re "not a tourist too many visits". It would appear that I am at the mercy of IO lucky dip as to whether or not they override approved embassy evisa.

Any thoughts re my dilemma. 

 

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, Bvor said:

As the title would seem to suggest the  Multi Entry Tourist Visa appears the" logical " visa in my circumstances ie 6 holiday visits per year - but there are reports of IO problems re "not a tourist too many visits". It would appear that I am at the mercy of IO lucky dip as to whether or not they override approved embassy evisa.

Any thoughts re my dilemma. 

Indeed the METV would be good fit for you. You could achieve the 6 months and would have zero issues.

Especially as you want to limit time per year in Thailand to under 6 months. 

Where you are located in Thailand comes into play sightly as you do require exits from Thailand every 2 months or 3 with an extension. 

[Rob Browder]

8 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Immigration have published guidelines which include refusal of entry for repeat VE entries.
If they consider the purpose of your visit is not solely for tourism purposes, they can refuse entry.

I haven't seen a passport with "not entering for tourist purposes" stamped in it as the reason for denial of entry.  They have also done this routine to those with Tourist-Visas.  Also, "tourist" is not defined.  If they set some solid criteria for "tourist," then fine - so everyone can plan accordingly - X time in Y months, or whatever. 

Instead, there is no consistency, which creates fear, which just "coincidentally" markets agent-services which benefit them - and they ONLY do this where the agent-services are needed to bypass it.

[Rob Browder]

6 hours ago, raz0r21 said:

There should be no problem entering visa exempt for OP after being out of Thailand for 4 months.

Agree - except this one - if one stayed for long periods, prior.  If, for example, one was here throughout Covid on covid-extensions, they seem to really hate that.  Why?  There were few jobs available then - no "illegal tour guide" opportunities and such - so it's not that they think they were "working illegally."

But, for a year+ the IOs had to live on their salary-income only - no doubt resulting in the loss of fancy cars, angry mia nois, etc.  Hence, great resentment that those farangs "Got Away with living in Thailand ALL that time!" 

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, Bvor said:

Going forward I want to holiday 6 x 30 days (minus 1 day  = 179 days) per calender year. the rest of the time I spend in Oz where I am an old age pensioner with house, car, family - none of which I have in Thailand cos I not want to live/work in LOS. Non O retirement is an overkill for me and  tying up 800,000 in a Thai bank I lose 44,000 baht Oz bank interest.

Am I understanding this correctly.

You're concerned about losing interest, but opting for 6 visits and associated return flight costs?

 

The METV is only valid for 6 months to enter Thailand, for your 6 x 30 day visits, you'd need to apply twice.
VE entry now grants a stay of 60 days. Have you considered 3 x 60 day VE entries as an alternative.

 

Copy and paste of Immigration Guideline document for VE entries;

 

Urgent Addendum

For official use Police Tel. 0 2286 0814

No. 0029.171/2076 Date: 24 June 2014 Subject: Guideline for inspection of citizen from certain countries that are not required to obtain a visa when entering the Kingdom of Thailand

 

To keep permission of entering in compliance with immigration law and provision concerned, it is deemed expedient to impose additional procedures of inspecting and permitting ordinary passport holders from certain countries who are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes,

1. Information checking

1.1 Purpose of entering the Kingdom The alien must enter the Kingdom with the sole purpose of tourism, and not for work.

1.2 Record of entry and stay within the Kingdom 1.2.1 A number of entry into the Kingdom

1.2.2 The alien must not enter the Kingdom by exploiting 30­day visa exemptions undertaking method “in­out” or called by foreigners as “Visa run”. Aliens use the advantage of Tourist Visa Exemption by leaving Thailand and returning immediately for the purpose of extending their stay, which is considered from the tourism point of view to be longer than necessary and not in line with the purpose permitted while entering country.

2. Reason to believe that entry into Kingdom is not for the purpose of tourism

2.1 Alien will be interviewed and requested to show evidence of the purpose of tourism such as tickets, pocket money, booking slip, traveling plan.

2.2 The criterion as in 2.1 if deemed necessary to record as an evidence, the alien may be required to fill out the form as attached in the annex hereto.

3. Reason to reject or permit entry to Thailand 3.1 Upon complete evidence of entering the Kingdom for tourism purpose and not for working purpose, alien shall be granted for permission to stay for 15, 30 or 90 days as set out in the bilateral agreements.

3.2 Without valid reason compiled to lack of evidence required by the immigration officer, the alien shall be refused to enter the Kingdom, pursuant to immigration law provision.

[Bvor]

17 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Am I understanding this correctly.

You're concerned about losing interest, but opting for 6 visits and associated return flight costs?

 

The METV is only valid for 6 months to enter Thailand, for your 6 x 30 day visits, you'd need to apply twice.
VE entry now grants a stay of 60 days. Have you considered 3 x 60 day VE entries as an alternative.

 

Losing bank interest was not my only focus (was just saying) when not wanting to go the non O journey.

As I have said I want to do approx 30 day swings which suits ME  considering issues of holidays, cost, health and home in oz

Jetstar fares ok with me as is cost of two evisa METV's per year which should be hassle free entry compared to 6 VE's @30 day ea or 3 VE's @ 60 days ea.

For me peace of mind outweighs the extra cost but of course each to their own.

Thx for the VE guidelines.  

[Bday Prang]

On 10/13/2024 at 5:14 PM, Rob Browder said:

It is 100% legal to get a new passport

In the UK it is perfectly legal to apply for a new passport at anytime, No need to wait until its full or approaching its expiry date. 

Simply not liking the photo is a good enough reason.  Not quite sure how immigration  would respond to a reply like that though