Swiss Woman Killed in Attack by Algerian shouting "Allahu Akbar"

[youreavinalaff]

11 hours ago, MarkyM3 said:

You clearly know little about the true causes of the conflict in NI. Religion was the side issue. 

 

Why don't you educate us about Aisha, Mohamed's 6 year old wife by the way? Or kuffar. Or are these made up as well?

Religion was an issue, as you confirm. I've never suggested it was the whole issue. Thanks.

 

Are your examples from the Quran made up? I can't confirm either way. Neither can you. 

 

How about Noah's ark or the talking snake in the garden of Eden? Are they real?

[MarkyM3]

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Religion was an issue, as you confirm. I've never suggested it was the whole issue. Thanks.

 

Are your examples from the Quran made up? I can't confirm either way. Neither can you. 

 

How about Noah's ark or the talking snake in the garden of Eden? Are they real?

If you're saying that Aisha was made up then I don't think your Islamic friends will be too impressed. Or are you a kuffar in disguise? 

[Evil Penevil]

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Religion was an issue, as you confirm. I've never suggested it was the whole issue. Thanks

 

The point is that the IRA and its members did not act in the name of the Catholic Church, nor were they primarily motivated by religion.  The jihadis who shout "Allahu akbar" are motivated by religion.

[youreavinalaff]

12 minutes ago, MarkyM3 said:

If you're saying that Aisha was made up then I don't think your Islamic friends will be too impressed. Or are you a kuffar in disguise? 

I love the assumptions and the digs. They speak volumes.

[FruitPudding]

8 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

The point is that the IRA and its members did not act in the name of the Catholic Church, nor were they primarily motivated by religion.  The jihadis who shout "Allahu akbar" are motivated by religion.

 

They also didn't stab children, or gang rape women, or go door-to-door killing innocent families, like Hamas did last year, while Palestine and Muslims celebrated globally. 

[youreavinalaff]

9 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

The point is that the IRA and its members did not act in the name of the Catholic Church, nor were they primarily motivated by religion.  The jihadis who shout "Allahu akbar" are motivated by religion.

How many protestant IRA members do you know?

 

How many protestants do you know who would have willingly walked into a catholic area during the troubles?

 

How about the Catholic groom in a wedding party who was gunned down for marrying a non Catholic?

 

You're saying the above were not motivated by religion? How strange.

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, FruitPudding said:

 

They also didn't stab children, or gang rape women, or go door-to-door killing innocent families, like Hamas did last year, while Palestine and Muslims celebrated globally. 

Did they not?

 

A pregnant woman and her child didn't die in an IRA bombing?

 

Innocent people weren't maimed by their terrorist attacks?

 

As for the stabbing you mention, if you're referring to Stockport, you've incorrectly linked to Islam.

[MarkyM3]

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I love the assumptions and the digs. They dpeak volumes.

Are Aisha's existence and the concept of kuffar assumptions and digs? I think not, they are factually correct. And I'm not seeing any other "peaceful" religion pushing global domination of their ideology in the way this does. Someone earlier mentioned over 48k separate Islamic-related incidents I believe. Speaks volumes. 

 

The NI conflict you were pushing was about the fate of the 6 counties and whether they rejoined Eire. Not about Catholicism v Protestantism. Using that as an example didn't work too well.

 

Palestinian conflict is again about land rights primarily, not about the merits of Judaism v Islam. 

 

[youreavinalaff]

14 minutes ago, MarkyM3 said:

The NI conflict you were pushing was about the fate of the 6 counties and whether they rejoined Eire. Not about Catholicism v Protestantism. Using that as an example didn't work too well.

It works perfectly well, when you actually look at the reasons why there was a divide. 

 

Religion was most certainly a reason.

 

You don't need me to point out your own digs.

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 

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[Evil Penevil]

22 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

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Copy and paste the text  into the box on this site:  https://www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/

[Nick Carter icp]

49 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

 

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[Evil Penevil]

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7 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

How many protestant IRA members do you know?

 

I know there were some, just as there were a few  Catholic unionists.  However, in both cases, it's a very small number and an obvious exception to the dominant trends.  What does that prove?   If you are telling us the vast majority of IRA members were Irish nationqlits who opposed British rule in Northern Ireland and the corresponding majority of Protestants were loyalists/unionists who wanted to remain in the U.K., that's never been disputed.

 

7 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

How many protestants do you know who would have willingly walked into a catholic area during the troubles?

Depends how you are using the word Protestant.  If you mean Ulster Protestants, very, very few, but Protestants from outside Northern ireland faced no more danger than anyone else.     Local Protestant unionists and loalists were the enemy, not all Protestants.

 

In cities all over the world, outsiders can become targets in some neighborhoods, while they are both safe and welcome in others.  The danger of a neighborhood depends on socio-economic factors that breed crime.

 

7 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

How about the Catholic groom in a wedding party who was gunned down for marrying a non Catholic?

 

You're saying the above were not motivated by religion? How strange.

 

I'm not familiar with the shooting incident, so I can't comment on whether it was motivated by relligion,  personal grudge or some other factor.  You keep ignoring the point that unlike Muslim terrorists,  the IRA didn't have a religious agenda.  It DID NOT act in the name of the Catholic Church, nor it ever seek to force the conversion of Protestants or give the Catholic Church and its members special status non-Catholics couldn't enjoy.

[youreavinalaff]

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

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I know there were some, just as there were a few  Catholic unionists.  However, in both cases, it's a very small number and an obvious exception to the dominant trends.  What does that prove?   If you are telling us the vast majority of IRA members were Irish nationqlits who opposed British rule in Northern Ireland and the corresponding majority of Protestants were loyalists/unionists who wanted to remain in the U.K., that's never been disputed.

 

Depends how you are using the word Protestant.  If you mean Ulster Protestants, very, very few, but Protestants from outside Northern ireland faced no more danger than anyone else.     Local Protestant unionists and loalists were the enemy, not all Protestants.

 

In cities all over the world, outsiders can become targets in some neighborhoods, while they are both safe and welcome in others.  The danger of a neighborhood depends on socio-economic factors that breed crime.

 

 

I'm not familiar with the shooting incident, so I can't comment on whether it was motivated by relligion,  personal grudge or some other factor.  You keep ignoring the point that unlike Muslim terrorists,  the IRA didn't have a religious agenda.  It DID NOT act in the name of the Catholic Church, nor it ever seek to force the conversion of Protestants or give the Catholic Church and its members special status non-Catholics couldn't enjoy.

Well, it seems you had no involvement in the conflict. Hence, you don't know the full story.

[Evil Penevil]

 

6 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Well, it seems you had no involvement in the conflict. Hence, you don't know the full story.

 

  Yes, it's true I had no personal involvement in "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland.  I'm not sure how that disqualifies me from learning the "full story,"  whatever full story means to you.

 

I shouldn't have allowed myself to become distracted by the discussion of the IRA, since it's not central to the topic of this thread.  I should have concentrated  instead on the following exchange, since it pertains directly to the murder of the Swiss woman.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 5:47 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Religion is the motivation for Muslim terrorism,  whereas terrorist attacks or other violence by people who are considered Christian occurs for reasons other than religion.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 6:09 AM, newbee2022 said:

You wish.....

Terrorism is religion free. It's just a misleaded kind of idea, which make them kill other people. Doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Atheist. Terrorism has no name. But you and many other have prejudices and follow stereotypes like mantras published in mainstream media.  

 

I wish it weren't true, but unfortunately it is, especially for thousands of innocent victims.  Evidence abounds of an inherent link between Islam and the violence of its followers.  After reading the points below, can anyone doubt Islam and terrorism are intertwined?

• The fact that jihadis shout "Allahu Akbar" when attacking their victims is conclusive evidence in and of itself.  The phrase, which can be translated as "God is greater (than all)" or "God is greatest," is a proclamation of faith used in formal prayer and as a battle cry.  By shouting "Allahu Akbar," the jihadi is telling the world he is acting in the name of Islam.
• Osama bin Laden used fatwas, or religious rulings, to justify his attacks and to command Muslims to follow his lead.  His fatwa issued in 1996 was called "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places".  His second,  signed by four other Muslim leaders as well in 1998, was titled "Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders," and authorized Muslim to kill Americans and their allies, civilian and military, wherever they were found in the world.  These fatwas were part of efforts that culminated in the 9/11 attacks in the U.S.   https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
• Hamas and Hezbollah have charters, covenants, manifestos, i.e., statements of principles, that are written in religious terms.  The Hamas Covenant of 1988 begins with, "In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah," and the Introduction states:  "Praise be unto Allah, to whom we resort for help, and whose forgiveness, guidance and support we seek;  Allah bless the Prophet and grant him salvation, his companions and supporters, and to those who carried out his message and adopted his laws - everlasting prayers and salvation as long as the earth and heaven will last."  Article One says (my bold):  "The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps."  https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp .
• The Hezbollah manifesto of 1985 employs similar language, opening with a verse from the Quran and stating Hezbollah acts "out of a religious duty primarily."  It goes on to say, "The main sources of our culture are the venerable Koran, the infallible Sunna and the decisions and religious opinions made by the jurisprudent who is the authority on tradition among us." The "jurisprudent" is a reference to Iran's then Supreme Leader. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000361273.pdf  The Hezbollah manisfesto was published in several different versions and one of them states, "We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini. God save him!"  https://ict.org.il/UserFiles/The Hizballah Program - An Open Letter.pdf
• Hezbollah updated its "Open Letter" in 2009 and Hamas re-wrote its covenant in 2017.  The goal in both cases was to tone down  some of the Islamist and antisemitic language to make the groups more acceptable to international supporters, but both retained their overall purpose of jihad and political action in the name of Islam.
• Islamic terrorists have used violence against perceived disrespect of the Prophet Mohammad in text or graphics.  The most famous instances are the fatwa and assassination attempt against Salman Rushdie for The Satanic Verses, the attack on French magazine Charlie Hebo and actions against a Danish newspaper for the Mohammad cartoons.  Punishing non-believers for what's considered blasphemy under Islamic law is extremely disturbing.  It's a total rejection of freedom of expression to kill authors or artists for expressing an idea.  That's a real clash of cultures.  You can imagine the outrage in the West if the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury or Presient of the Southern Baptist Convention would order a hit on authors of whom they didn't approve.  Millions upon millions of Muslims supported the attack on Rushdie and murders at the office of Charlie Hebdo.

 I could go on, but the above proves violence in built into Islam.

 

 

On 10/29/2024 at 6:09 AM, newbee2022 said:

End of conversation.

 

Perhaps for you, but not for me.  I will respond to posts on this topic as long as some BMS are laboring under misconceptions.

 

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

  Yes, it's true I had no personal involvement in "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland.  I'm not sure how that disqualifies me from learning the "full story,"  whatever full story means to you.

 

I shouldn't have allowed myself to become distracted by the discussion of the IRA, since it's not central to the topic of this thread.  I should have concentrated  instead on the following exchange, since it pertains directly to the murder of the Swiss woman.

 

 

 

I wish it weren't true, but unfortunately it is, especially for thousands of innocent victims.  Evidence abounds of an inherent link between Islam and the violence of its followers.  After reading the points below, can anyone doubt Islam and terrorism are intertwined?

• The fact that jihadis shout "Allahu Akbar" when attacking their victims is conclusive evidence in and of itself.  The phrase, which can be translated as "God is greater (than all)" or "God is greatest," is a proclamation of faith used in formal prayer and as a battle cry.  By shouting "Allahu Akbar," the jihadi is telling the world he is acting in the name of Islam.
• Osama bin Laden used fatwas, or religious rulings, to justify his attacks and to command Muslims to follow his lead.  His fatwa issued in 1996 was called "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places".  His second,  signed by four other Muslim leaders as well in 1998, was titled "Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders," and authorized Muslim to kill Americans and their allies, civilian and military, wherever they were found in the world.  These fatwas were part of efforts that culminated in the 9/11 attacks in the U.S.   https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
• Hamas and Hezbollah have charters, covenants, manifestos, i.e., statements of principles, that are written in religious terms.  The Hamas Covenant of 1988 begins with, "In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah," and the Introduction states:  "Praise be unto Allah, to whom we resort for help, and whose forgiveness, guidance and support we seek;  Allah bless the Prophet and grant him salvation, his companions and supporters, and to those who carried out his message and adopted his laws - everlasting prayers and salvation as long as the earth and heaven will last."  Article One says (my bold):  "The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam. From it, it draws its ideas, ways of thinking and understanding of the universe, life and man. It resorts to it for judgement in all its conduct, and it is inspired by it for guidance of its steps."  https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp .
• The Hezbollah manifesto of 1985 employs similar language, opening with a verse from the Quran and stating Hezbollah acts "out of a religious duty primarily."  It goes on to say, "The main sources of our culture are the venerable Koran, the infallible Sunna and the decisions and religious opinions made by the jurisprudent who is the authority on tradition among us." The "jurisprudent" is a reference to Iran's then Supreme Leader. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000361273.pdf  The Hezbollah manisfesto was published in several different versions and one of them states, "We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini. God save him!"  https://ict.org.il/UserFiles/The Hizballah Program - An Open Letter.pdf
• Hezbollah updated its "Open Letter" in 2009 and Hamas re-wrote its covenant in 2017.  The goal in both cases was to tone down  some of the Islamist and antisemitic language to make the groups more acceptable to international supporters, but both retained their overall purpose of jihad and political action in the name of Islam.
• Islamic terrorists have used violence against perceived disrespect of the Prophet Mohammad in text or graphics.  The most famous instances are the fatwa and assassination attempt against Salman Rushdie for The Satanic Verses, the attack on French magazine Charlie Hebo and actions against a Danish newspaper for the Mohammad cartoons.  Punishing non-believers for what's considered blasphemy under Islamic law is extremely disturbing.  It's a total rejection of freedom of expression to kill authors or artists for expressing an idea.  That's a real clash of cultures.  You can imagine the outrage in the West if the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury or Presient of the Southern Baptist Convention would order a hit on authors of whom they didn't approve.  Millions upon millions of Muslims supported the attack on Rushdie and murders at the office of Charlie Hebdo.

 I could go on, but the above proves violence in built into Islam.

 

 

 

Perhaps for you, but not for me.  I will respond to posts on this topic as long as some BMS are laboring under misconceptions.

 

I see. So you prefer to discriminate. 

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

I see. So you prefer to discriminate. 

 

Your use of the word "discriminate" implies an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different  religion.  There's nothing unjust or prejudicial about caalling out Islamic terrorism.

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Your use of the word "discriminate" implies an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different  religion.  There's nothing unjust or prejudicial about caalling out Islamic terrorism.

Not if you call out other forms too.

 

To imply there is only one form, whilst there are many, is discrimination.

[Ben Zioner]

Murderous "Untermensch". 

 

 

[Evil Penevil]

On 11/3/2024 at 3:05 AM, youreavinalaff said:

Not if you call out other forms too.

 

To imply there is only one form, whilst there are many, is discrimination.

No one is denyig that people who are Christian,  Jewish, Hindu. atheist, Buddhist, etc. commit acts of terrorism.  Islamic terrorists are the only ones who carry out terrorism in the name of their religion  That's the crucial distinction.

[youreavinalaff]

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

No one is denyig that people who are Christian,  Jewish, Hindu. atheist, Buddhist, etc. commit acts of terrorism.  Islamic terrorists are the only ones who carry out terrorism in the name of their religion  That's the crucial distinction.

No. You are creating a distinction through your insistence to discriminate