Why Donald Trump Could be a Major Challenge for the British Government

[ericbj]

16 hours ago, jippytum said:

Starmer was at fault sending 100 Volunteers to canvas for Harris pre election. 

I hope Trump and Farage wipe the floor with Starmer our UK minister of sleaze. 

 

Another example of interference in US elections by a foreign (UK) agency, likely with official approval if not actual support:

 

https://greenmedinfo.com/content/exposed-ccdh-ceo-imran-ahmed-orders-black-ops-against-rfk-jr-shocking-memo-lea

 

Of course "western" countries in general think nothing of themselves interfering in the politics of other countries.

A tactic little appreciated in other parts of the world.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

One of his first moves was to approve funding again for the Hamas affiliated ‘Agency’ UNRWA; then he cancelled export licences to Israel, all to appease the muslim block vote in the UK; Israel, who after America, are the UK’s most important source of antiterrorism intelligence. He has berated, insulted, and derided the President of the USA,

Not all bad then.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not all bad then.

 

Well, if you’re a left wing liberal bedwetter, an antisemite, or a supporter of Hamas and other Iranian proxy terrorists, I guess it’s not all bad.

 

[JonnyF]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Jonny thinks it a good idea for the leader of a UK political party and an MP to assist a foreign leader undermine a sitting UK PM.

 

Yet you thought it was fine for Labour to assist the Dems in the US election 😄.

 

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Like most leftists. Like claiming to be a feminist yet supporting men in women's spaces and women's sports. No wonder Harris didn't perform as well as expected with women. Pandering to the 1%, great tactic!

 

Even after a resounding defeat you still haven't worked out why your ideology was roundly rejected. Which is great, because it means it will continue to fail. 

 

Enjoy the next 4 years!

[JonnyF]

9 hours ago, RayC said:

The EU has preferential trade agreements with 70 nations, and seeks to extend that number. If Trump is true to his word, all imports to the US, irrespective of their origin, will attract tariffs. See the difference?

 

Nonsense.

 

9 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Even after leaving, the UK could have remained a member of the Single Market and Customs Union but chose not to. A decision that you supported.

 

Yes and thank goodness we did. A simple trade deal was the better option since it freed us up to make our own deals with other countries without having to follow the EU's lead. 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yet you thought it was fine for Labour to assist the Dems in the US election 😄.

 

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Like most leftists. Like claiming to be a feminist yet supporting men in women's spaces and women's sports. No wonder Harris didn't perform as well as expected with women. Pandering to the 1%, great tactic!

 

Even after a resounding defeat you still haven't worked out why your ideology was roundly rejected. Which is great, because it means it will continue to fail. 

 

Enjoy the next 4 years!

There’s a difference between volunteers helping in an election and a foreign leader interfering to remove  the actual leader of the actual democratically elected government with the aid of a sitting MP and leader of an opposition party.

 

Hence your resort to hypocrisy.

 

You absolutely have said you support an elected MP and leader of a British political party assisting a foreign leader remove a sitting British PM.

 

We’ll have no more of your claims to be a patriot Jonny, you are a supporter of foreign powers removing a sitting g British Prime Minister.

 

Utterly disgraceful apology for a self professed ‘British Patriot’.

  

 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s a difference between volunteers helping in an election and a foreign leader interfering to remove  the actual leader of the actual democratically elected government with the aid of a sitting MP and leader of an opposition party.

 

Hence your resort to hypocrisy.

 

You absolutely have said you support an elected MP and leader of a British political party assisting a foreign leader remove a sitting British PM.

 

We’ll have no more of your claims to be a patriot Jonny, you are a supporter of foreign powers removing a sitting g British Prime Minister.

 

Utterly disgraceful apology for a self professed ‘British Patriot’.

  

 

 

Sofia Patel is head of operations at Labour who are currently in power. She is not a volunteer. She tried to interfere in the US election. That's election interference. 

 

That our foreign secretary insulted the President of the US by calling him a fascist KKK supporter amongst other things is an issue for 2 tier Keir to sort out, if he has the stones. 

 

Lammy's position is untenable. If he had a modicum of decency he would apologize to Trump, remove his tweets and then resign. 

 

But then he wouldn't get all the freebies that Labour MP's love to take now they finally have their snouts in the trough. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Sofia Patel is head of operations at Labour who are currently in power. She is not a volunteer. She tried to interfere in the US election. That's election interference. 

 

That our foreign secretary insulted the President of the US by calling him a fascist KKK supporter amongst other things is an issue for 2 tier Keir to sort out, if he has the stones. 

 

Lammy's position is untenable. If he had a modicum of decency he would apologize to Trump, remove his tweets and then resign. 

 

But then he wouldn't get all the freebies that Labour MP's love to take now they finally have their snouts in the trough. 

Hey Jonny, if Trump isn’t up for this Farage assisted plan of yours to over throw the sitting British PM, from which other national leaders are you willing to accept assistance in your treacherous plan?

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

39 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Even after a resounding defeat you still haven't worked out why your ideology was roundly rejected

 

 

This succinctly summarises the left and their intransigent belief that they know better than everyone else, and that they can never be wrong; it is arrogance of an astonishing magnitude. This arrogance is compounded by them supporting a party labeled ‘The Democrats’ when democracy itself is anathema to them if the results democracy produces are unsuitable to them.

 

 

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hey Jonny, if Trump isn’t up for this Farage assisted plan of yours to over throw the sitting British PM, from which other national leaders are you willing to accept assistance in your treacherous plan?

 

 

 

Hey Chomps, which other foreign governments would you have supported interfering in the US election to assist with the treacherous campaign to keep Trump out of the white house?

 

Because we all know how leftists principles go out of the window when the syndrome kicks in. 😆

[brewsterbudgen]

14 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

So you voted for Ed Davey, who as Postal Minister in 2010 refused to meet Post Office Campaigner Alan Bates, and oversaw one of the greatest injustices in British history; a man that cannot even define what a woman is …. Wow

 

 

Yeah, the 'coalition' was a shameful period of history.  They won't do that again!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Hey Chomps, which other foreign governments would you have supported interfering in the US election to assist with the treacherous campaign to keep Trump out of the white house?

 

Because we all know how leftists principles go out of the window when the syndrome kicks in. 😆

But that’s not what happened Jonny, nor is anything I posted as an idea.

 

You on the other hand have expressed your desire for Farage to assist Trump ousting the sitting British Prime Minister.

 

If you won’t tell us which other national leaders you would accept help in your treacherous plan, is there any world leader you would not accept help from in your plan to have Farage assist them in ousting the sitting British PM?

 

 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But that’s not what happened Jonny, nor is anything I posted as an idea.

 

You on the other hand have expressed your desire for Farage to assist Trump ousting the sitting British Prime Minister.

 

If you won’t tell us which other national leaders you would accept help in your treacherous plan, is there any world leader you would not accept help from in your plan to have Farage assist them in ousting the sitting British PM?

 

 

 

That's exactly what happened. You tried to excuse it as volunteers but it was the head of operations that was organizing it. Shameful. But I guess you don't care as long as it is anti-Trump. A principle for every occasion.

 

Didn't hear you complaining when Obama interfered in the Brexit referendum either. But I guess he was on your side so that was fine. Fortunately his stupid comments probably got the Leave vote over the line. 

 

So in other words, you're fine with it as long as you agree with those interfering. Otherwise it's beyond the pale. Classic leftist hypocrisy. 

 

Fortunately the Americans saw through the Dems lies and gaslighting, largely thanks to freedom of speech on X. 

[herfiehandbag]

On 11/7/2024 at 7:36 AM, JonnyF said:

The UK and the US have always had a special relationship

The UK/US special relationship is built around two pillars, shared common values and more specifically sharing intelligence resources.

 

I am not sure that the UK has much in common with Mr Trump's likely administration, and as @Walker88 pointed out yesterday, confidence in sharing intelligence resources went by the board with Mr Trump's antics storing classified documents in the Khazi at Mar-A-Largo!

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's exactly what happened. You tried to excuse it as volunteers but it was the head of operations that was organizing it. Shameful. But I guess you don't care as long as it is anti-Trump. A principle for every occasion.

 

Didn't hear you complaining when Obama interfered in the Brexit referendum either. But I guess he was on your side so that was fine. Fortunately his stupid comments probably got the Leave vote over the line. 

 

So in other words, you're fine with it as long as you agree with those interfering. Otherwise it's beyond the pale. Classic leftist hypocrisy. 

 

Fortunately the Americans saw through the Dems lies and gaslighting, largely thanks to freedom of speech on X. 

It wasn’t me calling for Trump to interfere in IK politics assisted by Farage.

 

That was you Jonny.

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The UK/US special relationship is built around two pillars, shared common values and more specifically sharing intelligence resources.

 

I am not sure that the UK has much in common with Mr Trump's likely administration, and as @Walker88 pointed out yesterday, confidence in sharing intelligence resources went by the board with Mr Trump's antics storing classified documents in the Khazi at Mar-A-Largo!

 

Trump won't get on with Labour, especially after Lammy's disgraceful comments but there are many in Labour who have said similar things.

 

It would help if Lammy resigned, but he lacks the decency to do so. He hates the UK anyway, so what would he care about a fruitful relationship with the US? As long as he's popular at the Islington dinner parties, he's fine. 

 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It wasn’t me calling for Trump to interfere in IK politics assisted by Farage.

 

That was you Jonny.

 

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Labour are hardly in a position to object after interfering in the US election.

 

Consider it Karma. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

18 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The UK/US special relationship is built around two pillars, shared common values and more specifically sharing intelligence resources.

 

I am not sure that the UK has much in common with Mr Trump's likely administration, and as @Walker88 pointed out yesterday, confidence in sharing intelligence resources went by the board with Mr Trump's antics storing classified documents in the Khazi at Mar-A-Largo!

 

Much more importantly, I am not sure that Mr Trump’s likely administration will have much in common with the present UK government; as for any remaining confidence in intelligence sharing, that was completely destroyed by David Lammy renewing funding for the Hamas affiliated ‘agency’ UNRWA; funding that had been suspended by the previous UK government, and remains suspended by the USA.

 

 

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Much more importantly, I am not sure that Mr Trump’s likely administration will have much in common with the present UK government; as for any remaining confidence in intelligence sharing, that was completely destroyed by David Lammy renewing funding for the Hamas affiliated ‘agency’ UNRWA; funding that had been suspended by the previous UK government, and remains suspended by the USA.

 

 

 

Exactly. Labour's mayor Sadiq Khan has also made disgraceful comments about Trump. Starmer and Musk have gone at it.

 

Labour have blown any chance of a decent relationship with the US. Great job guys!!

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Labour are hardly in a position to object after interfering in the US election.

 

Consider it Karma. 

I hear Farage, your prospective co-conspirator against b the elected British Government, might be up for your treacherous plan, he has after-all actively campaigned for Trump, speaking at his rallies while himself the leader of a British political party.

 

His connections in Russia might come in handy too.

 

When you are up for treachery, who’s to say how low you would go for help?!

 

 

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

When you are up for treachery, who’s to say how low you would go for help?!

 

Well you of all people should know, having defended Labour's interference in the US election. 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Well you of all people should know, having defended Labour's interference in the US election. 

Eke tons, that’s where ‘the will of the people’ decide.

 

The will of the people elected the Starmer led Labour Government.

 

But you want Farage to assist a foreign Government against the will of the British people.

 

Is ‘the will of the people’ something else you’ve given up on?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The will of the people elected the Starmer led Labour Government.

 

The Starmer led Labour government received 20% of the votes of the eligible electorate of the UK; you have a bizarre interpretation of  “the will of the people”

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

The Starmer led Labour government received 20% of the votes of the eligible electorate of the UK; you have a bizarre interpretation of  “the will of the people”

 

You seem not to understand the concept of first past the post.

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

5 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

The Starmer led Labour government received 20% of the votes of the eligible electorate of the UK; you have a bizarre interpretation of  “the will of the people”

 

 

Not a fan of First-past-the-post?  Most Tories were happy when it suited them!  With a fairer electoral system we might have been saved from decades of Tory misrule.

[James105]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

That our foreign secretary insulted the President of the US by calling him a fascist KKK supporter amongst other things is an issue for 2 tier Keir to sort out, if he has the stones. 

 

And just like other decisions that the moronic PM has made, he has effectively doubled down on his stupidity and for the first time in political history for any PM has stated that the current foreign secretary is guaranteed the full 5 years in this role.  Every time I feel he has scraped the bottom of the stupidity barrel, he manages to find more stupidity to use inside it.  It's a bottomless stupidity barrel!  

 

"Starmer makes extraordinary vow to keep Foreign Secretary in post for at least FIVE YEARS despite repeated jibes at president-elect"

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14048941/Starmer-David-Lammy-Foreign-Secretary-Trump-Neo-Nazi-sympathiser-tyrant-toupee.html

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You seem not to understand the concept of first past the post.

 

 

 

 

As a UK resident, I fully understand the concept of first past the post, even though it is a system that I have never agreed with; however, you are obfuscating, because you know that you have erroneous called a vote by 20% of the electorate “the will of the people”

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

As a UK resident, I fully understand the concept of first past the post, even though it is a system that I have never agreed with; however, you are obfuscating, because you know that you have erroneous called a vote by 20% of the electorate “the will of the people”

 

Every citizen had the opportunity to vote, the expressed will of the people resulted in a Labour Government.

 

There is no democratic process in which a sitting MP acts to assist a foreign Government against the elected Government.

 

Though some here think such treachery is desirable.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Every citizen had the opportunity to vote, the expressed will of the people resulted in a Labour Government.

 

There is no democratic process in which a sitting MP acts to assist a foreign Government against the elected Government.

 

Though some here think such treachery is desirable.

 

Utter nonsense as you well know; you have made a complete fool of yourself by calling a 20% vote of the eligible electorate “the will of the people” … how utterly embarrassing for you.

 

 

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Every citizen had the opportunity to vote, the expressed will of the people resulted in a Labour Government.

 

You've changed your tune since Brexit. 😆

 

No surprise though...