kiwikeith Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Doe anyone know where to buy ivermectin at a reasonable price here.
KhunLA Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Reasonable price ??? Should have at any local pharmacy, as ours had it in stock, and we're almost in Nakhon Nowhere. I didn't exactly think it was inexpensive, but also not silly price. No, don't remember exact price.
Clapped out Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 hours ago, Lacessit said: Vets may have it..... Exactly....... Is it licensed for human use anywhere in the world ? 2
Popular Post Sheryl Posted November 9 Popular Post Posted November 9 Bickering posts and a post that included misinformation have been removed. Ivermevtin is approved for use in humans in Thailand for certain parasitic infections (e.g. strongoloides) though other drugs are more commonly used. The locally made brand is called Vermectin. I doubt it is very expensive. Research to date has failed to show in vivo effctiveness against any virus despite earlier in vitro findings. 2 1 3
kiwikeith Posted November 10 Author Posted November 10 On 11/9/2024 at 6:15 AM, Clapped out said: Exactly....... Is it licensed for human use anywhere in the world ? I did not ask for vet info you insult a Nobel prize winning drug that has saved hundreds of thousands from blindness
Carsten07 Posted November 10 Posted November 10 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006851037102.html?pdp_npi=3%40dis!USD!!US+%240.99!!!!!%40213bce9317181717058702427ec717!12000038512790160!im!! Was 93 Baht, then 160, now 140 You get 100 tablets, each 5 mg. Cheap.
Carsten07 Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Just now, Carsten07 said: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006851037102.html?pdp_npi=3%40dis!USD!!US+%240.99!!!!!%40213bce9317181717058702427ec717!12000038512790160!im!! Was 93 Baht, then 160, now 140 You get 100 tablets, each 5 mg. Cheap. There is now a discussion about anti tumor capabilities of this drug, interesting. Several cases were reported, actually quite a lot, that it helped in final cancer diagnosis. Nothing to lose?! Try it and report back here.
MeaMaximaCulpa Posted November 10 Posted November 10 38 minutes ago, Carsten07 said: There is now a discussion about anti tumor capabilities of this drug, interesting. Several cases were reported, actually quite a lot, that it helped in final cancer diagnosis. Nothing to lose?! Try it and report back here. I have also heard about this. Another anti-parasitic drug called Fenbendazole is also reported to have anti-cancer effects. Very interesting, since mainstream medicine seems to have been stuck on another track for quite a while. 1
Sheryl Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Most things that show anti tumor effects in vitro or in animals ultimatrly fail to prove effective in treating cancer in humans. Research on use of ivermectin and other antiparasitics for cancer is still in early stages (in vitro and animal studies). It is far too soon to know if it will be effective in treatment if cancers in humans (and if so which cancrrs and in what dosage etc). 1
KhunLA Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Ivermectin is a standard treatment along side other treatments for some cancers.
kiwikeith Posted November 10 Author Posted November 10 4 hours ago, Carsten07 said: There is now a discussion about anti tumor capabilities of this drug, interesting. Several cases were reported, actually quite a lot, that it helped in final cancer diagnosis. Nothing to lose?! Try it and report back here. Yes there are many medical papers published now about ivermectin helping to fight cancer especially prostate cancer
Popular Post Sheryl Posted November 10 Popular Post Posted November 10 2 hours ago, KhunLA said: Ivermectin is a standard treatment along side other treatments for some cancers. No, it most definitely is NOT. Actually read the scientific articles. they talk about "possible", "potential" etc. based on findings from animal studies and in vitro studies on cancer cells. It has not yet been studied in actual human patients. That may come, but is still a ways off and results of such studies, further off still. Long way from being a standard treatment. Not yet even an experimental treatment. It is extremely misleading, and potentially harmful, to spread the idea that this is an established treatment. 3
Popular Post Sheryl Posted November 10 Popular Post Posted November 10 1 hour ago, kiwikeith said: Yes there are many medical papers published now about ivermectin helping to fight cancer especially prostate cancer To be clear -- these studies report results in labs, on samples of cancer cells, and in animals. There are no studies yet of use to treat prostate or any other cancer in humans. That is more than a small detail. Many drugs -- in fact most - drugs that look promising in the lab and in animal studies, fail to prove useful in clinical treatment of humans. Hyping something before it has been fully tested helps no one. 4
cjinchiangrai Posted November 10 Posted November 10 It is used in humans to treat scabies and other burrowing varmints. I would think any pharmacy would have it. Not sure if you need a prescription. It may just be in hospital pharmacies due to low demand and high abuse by idiots that think it works on Covid.
MeaMaximaCulpa Posted November 10 Posted November 10 6 hours ago, Sheryl said: To be clear -- these studies report results in labs, on samples of cancer cells, and in animals. There are no studies yet of use to treat prostate or any other cancer in humans. That is more than a small detail. Many drugs -- in fact most - drugs that look promising in the lab and in animal studies, fail to prove useful in clinical treatment of humans. Hyping something before it has been fully tested helps no one. @Sheryl you are of course correct in the fact that we have no studies on humans with anti-parasitic drugs. However there are some very encouraging anecdotal cases worth checking out, more with Fenbendazole than with Ivermectin. And knowing that big, randomised, double blind, placebo controlled trials are very expensive and will never be funded by big pharma, when there is no potential to recover the investment. The drugs in question are out-of-patent, cheap and generic drugs, and safe for humans. Would I try these drugs if I had cancer? You bet I would, why not? Would I turn down traditional treatment? That would depend on the specific case, type of cancer, progression, probability of cure, etc. There is also now renewed interest in Otto Warburg's close to 100 year old theory of cancer as mainly a metabolic disease, where most cancers prefer sugar as fuel (apparently pancreatic cancer cells can also thrive on ketones). The damaged DNA theory has not yielded much in terms of inroads into beating cancer, and the drugs in this class are extremely expensive and not that effective. There is now some who thinks that the DNA damage is not the direct cause of cancer, but rather a result of damaged mitochondria. More research is obviously needed here, but it can seem promising. So there is more to this complex problem than we might think, and if we do not try simple, safe and cheap alternatives we will have to wait a very long time for big pharma and the established medical science to help us. And we better be rich!
Sheryl Posted November 11 Posted November 11 more posts with misinformation, and repliues to them, removed. There have been no completed studies on use of this for cancer in humans. There is at least one clinical trial of it underway (contrary to those who claim it is being "suppressed" as part of a conspiracy). It will take time. "Some preclinical studies have indeed found promising results using ivermectin, but these studies were done in cell cultures and animals, not in humans. As such, they cannot provide sufficient evidence that ivermectin helps treat cancer in people. Further studies are needed to reliably determine ivermectin’s effectiveness and safety when used to treat cancer in humans." https://science.feedback.org/review/preclinical-studies-cannot-provide-sufficient-evidence-ivermectin-helps-treat-cancer-people/ I would add to that, that if benefit is shown further work will need to be done to determine best route, dosage etc. Thread is now closed as original question long ago answered and it has become a magnet for misinformation and conspiracy theories.
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