Official: Trump Nominates RFK Jr. for Health Secretary

[LosLobo]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Which person/s in congress labelled it "gain of function"?

 

What virology qualifications did the person/s have?

That was Rand Paul, the failed ophthalmologist, who only obtained professional accreditation by forming his own unrecognized ophthalmologist association.

[Thailand]

I think Trump knows his days are numbered with Musk Thiel and manager Vance  probably taking over by mid 2025 so he is filling many of the senior posts with un qualified clowns he would not have realistically considered if he was likely to run a full term.

[candide]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You obviously have forgotten that Fauci changed the definition of gain of function. Bit like the UK when they changed how excess deaths are calculated. Can't remember the actual figure and it doesn't really matter but it went from something like +14% to -2% overnight. It's semantics and manipulation of definitions to support a position.

As for "Any way your claim is another B.S. as the viruses concerned by this program could not have been 'ancestors' of the Covid 19 virus." I don't understand. There were spike protiens found on the virus that shouldn't be there. No animal tested had this structure. If there was actually transparency rather than censorship you too would know this. It's all out there you just have to look and be willing to make up your own mind but you also need to be willing to change your position. This is something I doubt you have the ability of doing.

"In an October 2021 letter to Congress, Tabak had acknowledged NIH funded a “limited experiment” at the Wuhan Institute of Virology that tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”

He did not describe it as gain-of-function research — but disclosed that EcoHealth “failed to report” the bat coronaviruses modified with SARS and MERS viruses had been made 10,000 times more infectious, in violation of its grant terms.

The NIH scrubbed its website of a longstanding definition for gain-of-function research the same day that the letter was sent."

  

"EcoHealth Alliance president Dr. Peter Daszak, in a hearing earlier this month before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic, testified that his organization “never has and did not do gain-of-function research, by definition.”

But that claim directly contradicted Daszak’s private correspondence, including a 2016 email in which he celebrated the end of an Obama administration pause on gain-of-function research.

The EcoHealth head was also called out in sworn testimony to the COVID panel by Dr. Ralph Baric, a leading coronavirologist who initiated the research himself and declared it was “absolutely” gain-of-function."

https://nypost.com/2024/05/16/us-news/nih-director-admits-taxpayers-funded-gain-of-function-research-in-wuhan-four-years-after-covid-pandemic-began/

 

This is not "what the NYPost calls gain of function research." These are people testifying under oath to Congress. The NYP is reporting it as news and not some sort of support for a conspiracy theory. 

There are disagreements about what can be called gain of function research. Never mind, let's put apart the expert discussion about what is or not gain of function research.

 

You don't understand because you don't want to understand. A virus has a genetic heritage and its possible to identify whether another virus can be one of its ancestors. The viruses on which experiments were made under the NHS program cannot be ancestors of Covid 19. It's not the same lineage.

 

The current dominant lab leak theory is that the lab may have collected the Covid 19 virus among others, as it collected a lot of them, and then it may have been leaked by accident.

[dinsdale]

48 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Which elected member of congress call it "gain of function"? The answer is either a name or none, which is it?

 

And if you don't want to go there, what are names and qualifications of those who testified before congress that it was a gain of function leading to the coronavirus?

 

hint: Fauci and the NIH, actual virologists, said it wasn't.

Oh dear! There's obviously no hope for you. You totally believe the narrative. You believe it's zoonotic in nature, it didn't escape from a lab where gain of function research was happening and that it came from a wet market (which as I said there is zero evidence of this.). This is what Fauci told you to believe and you believe it and it's also what was deemed conspiracy theory if in disagreeance from Fauci, governments, the legacy media, moderators, fact checkers and people like yourself. I could provide an extensive list of respected scientist that have said this is gain of function virus manipulation but there's no point. A: You won't believe it and B: It might get deleted. Again these are people TESTIFYING BEFORE Congress. The Congress want answers. This has been the greatest crime against humanity so I'm not surprised people are covering their asses and others are in complete denial. Come on RFK Jnr. I hope his nomination gets through. I said some years back that the truth will eventually come out. I hope it does.

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[dinsdale]

34 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Ah, you’ve brought quite the gish gallop here—throwing in Fauci, gain-of-function, congressional testimony, and the New York Post for good measure. Let’s unpack your chaos.

1. “Fauci changed the definition of gain-of-function”
   The definition debate exists because “gain-of-function” covers a broad spectrum of research. What Fauci and others pointed out is that NIH-funded research didn’t meet their established criteria for GOF involving dangerous pathogens. That’s not “changing” the definition—it’s clarifying boundaries. As for the NIH website update? It’s standard practice to update language for clarity—not a smoking gun.

2. EcoHealth and spike proteins
   The congressional testimony confirms experiments involving bat coronaviruses, but no evidence shows these were precursors to SARS-CoV-2. Saying spike proteins “shouldn’t be there” ignores years of evolutionary virology that explains such features appearing naturally. Transparency wasn’t lacking here; some people just ignore the scientific consensus because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

3. NIH “admitting” gain-of-function funding
   Tabak acknowledged a grant violation related to reporting—not evidence of a global conspiracy or pandemic origins. And Daszak’s and Baric’s statements to Congress reflect ongoing debates over how GOF is defined, not proof of wrongdoing or lab-origin.

4. NYPost as gospel
   The New York Post isn’t a neutral observer; it leans heavily toward sensationalism. Just because it reports on testimony doesn’t mean it’s unbiased or that the testimony proves your argument.

Finally, accusing others of being unwilling to change their minds while clutching at cherry-picked “evidence” isn’t exactly the self-awareness flex you think it is. Science evolves with evidence, but baseless insinuations and misinterpretations? Those don’t hold up. Try grazing on better sources next time.

Best you source this cut and paste. It's clearly not yours.

[dinsdale]

26 minutes ago, candide said:

There are disagreements about what can be called gain of function research. Never mind, let's put apart the expert discussion about what is or not gain of function research.

 

You don't understand because you don't want to understand. A virus has a genetic heritage and its possible to identify whether another virus can be one of its ancestors. The viruses on which experiments were made under the NHS program cannot be ancestors of Covid 19. It's not the same lineage.

 

The current dominant lab leak theory is that the lab may have collected the Covid 19 virus among others, as it collected a lot of them, and then it may have been leaked by accident.

Delusional. It's a bat corona virus that has been manipulated. There's just so much info on this but there's a possibility it will all be deemed misinformation, conspiracy theory and not from a "reliable" source if posted. The veil of secrecy and censorship will hopefully be lifted under the Trump Whitehouse.

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[candide]

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Delusional. It's a bat corona virus that has been manipulated. There's just so much info on this but there's a possibility it will all be deemed misinformation, conspiracy theory and not from a "reliable" source if posted. The veil of secrecy and censorship will hopefully be lifted under the Trump Whitehouse.

In summary, you have nothing. Another baseless conspiracy theory. 😃

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

In summary, you have nothing. Another baseless conspiracy theory. 😃

Just YT it. I will not be allowed to post it here as censorship in relation to this topic is still in place. As for Google well that's part of the Big Brother censor machine so you will need to dig deep to find anything that doesn't support your views and that of the narrative.

[candide]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Just YT it. I will not be allowed to post it here as censorship in relation to this topic is still in place. As for Google well that's part of the Big Brother censor machine so you will need to dig deep to find anything that doesn't support your views and that of the narrative.

More conspiracy theory.

 

The Covid 19 virus cannot be traced to originate from any of the viruses concerned by the NIH program. There is no scientific article showing it.

 

That's why you need to find fake evidence from crappy sources which are not allowed here. Peer reviewed scientific articles from reliable sources are not censored here.

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Did I say it was deliberately released? Not manufactured? So no gain of function research. It was Obama that stopped this in the US and that's why it went to Wuhan and Fauci was complicit in this. To say you don't know where it came from and saying it's zoonotic in nature ("not manufactured") is to ignore all evidences that says it came from a lab where gain of function research was taking place. As I posted it's no longer a conspiracy theory. It's widely accepted as MOST likely. Of course all actual evidence was destroyed by the CCP (why would they do that?) and there has been ZERO evidence of the wet market origin.

I completely agree, though it may not have been intentionally released it was almost certainly manufactured, and it is very possible that Dr. Fauci had a hand in that. 

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

More conspiracy theory.

 

The Covid 19 virus cannot be traced to originate from any of the viruses concerned by the NIH program. There is no scientific article showing it.

 

That's why you need to find fake evidence from crappy sources which are not allowed here. Peer reviewed scientific articles from reliable sources are not censored here.

You have to ask yourself who does the peer reviewing and who funds the reliable sources. This isn't about being cynical it's about being sensible. As for the NIH program in the US there is nowhere I have stated that Sars-CoV-2 originated in this program.  If you think I have please post it by way of a quotation. What I have clearly stated is gain of function research was being conducted at the Wuhan Institute on bat coronaviruses and it was from here not the wet market that the pandemic started. Man made not zoonotic.

[dinsdale]

15 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I completely agree, though it may not have been intentionally released it was almost certainly manufactured, and it is very possible that Dr. Fauci had a hand in that. 

Cheers. Intentionally released? Developed as a bioweapon? These are certainly questions that can and should be asked. The sheeple will go into convulsions over this. Fauci's well involved. His day is coming and it's now on the horizon.

[spidermike007]

Certainly Kennedy and Gaetz are the two most bizarre and two least qualified picks so far. His last cabinet had a lot of very unqualified people in it, it seems like Trump is deliberately trying to pick even lower quality candidates than the first time around.

 

Kennedy is not only highly unqualified for this position, he might be as insane as Trump. Some proof of that theory:

 

During a 2012 deposition made during a contentious divorce from his second wife, Kennedy told attorneys that a doctor believed an abnormality in his brain scans “was caused by a worm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died,” per the Times. He said he had been experiencing severe memory loss and mental fogginess, which he claimed had diminished his earning power.

 

In an attempt to get ahead of a New Yorker article on the subject, Kennedy posted a video on social media earlier this month admitting to comedian Roseanne Barr that he left a dead bear in New York City’s Central Park a decade ago. Kennedy says in the video that another driver had killed the bear, and he pulled over and put it in his car with plans to skin it and “put the meat in my refrigerator.”

 

Long story short, his explanation ends with the fact that he wasn’t going home and couldn’t leave the bear in his car, so naturally, he placed the carcass in Central Park and staged it to look like a bike accident. The circumstances surrounding the bear’s death had remained a mystery for years (and, coincidentally, Kennedy’s cousin Tatiana Schlossberg wrote a 2014 report about it for The New York Times).

 

Last year, Kennedy said during a speech, “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland. You could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did… the mechanisms are being put in place that will make it so none of us can run and none of us can hide.” Kennedy later apologized.

 

 

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[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Certainly Kennedy and Gaetz are the two most bizarre and two least qualified picks so far. His last cabinet had a lot of very unqualified people in it, it seems like Trump is deliberately trying to pick even lower quality candidates than the first time around.

 

Kennedy is not only highly unqualified for this position, he might be as insane as Trump. Some proof of that theory:

 

During a 2012 deposition made during a contentious divorce from his second wife, Kennedy told attorneys that a doctor believed an abnormality in his brain scans “was caused by a worm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died,” per the Times. He said he had been experiencing severe memory loss and mental fogginess, which he claimed had diminished his earning power.

 

In an attempt to get ahead of a New Yorker article on the subject, Kennedy posted a video on social media earlier this month admitting to comedian Roseanne Barr that he left a dead bear in New York City’s Central Park a decade ago. Kennedy says in the video that another driver had killed the bear, and he pulled over and put it in his car with plans to skin it and “put the meat in my refrigerator.”

 

Long story short, his explanation ends with the fact that he wasn’t going home and couldn’t leave the bear in his car, so naturally, he placed the carcass in Central Park and staged it to look like a bike accident. The circumstances surrounding the bear’s death had remained a mystery for years (and, coincidentally, Kennedy’s cousin Tatiana Schlossberg wrote a 2014 report about it for The New York Times).

 

Last year, Kennedy said during a speech, “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland. You could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did… the mechanisms are being put in place that will make it so none of us can run and none of us can hide.” Kennedy later apologized.

 

 

You can call Trump all the names under the sun but you can't call him conventional. As for heads of departments there's no convention that says they need to be experts in the field. Fairly sure the current head Dept. of Transport has absolutely zero qualifications. It's the way governments work. Experts are more often than not not politicians. and visa versa. 

[AlwaysThere]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

I am thrilled to announce Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as The United States Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). For too long, Americans have been crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies who have engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation when it comes to Public Health. The Safety and Health of all Americans is the most important role of any Administration, and HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticides, pharmaceutical products, and food additives that have contributed to the overwhelming Health Crisis in this Country. Mr. Kennedy will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!

 

I for one certainly hope inroads can be made on this.

But instead of intelligent discussion, just the usual COVID conspiracy theories. Just tiresome children polluting the board with the same old partisan and pointlessly argumentative attitudes.

 

Listen up, you knuckleheads, this goes far beyond your pathetic left and right arguments. You are continually having the wool pulled over your eyes. Is Trump a Republican or a Democrat? Both can be corrupted. If they can make inroads into what they say....who cares?

Divided and you will fall.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Best you source this cut and paste. It's clearly not yours.

Well, I can't exactly 'cut and paste' when it comes to discussing scientific and policy issues; the information I shared is sourced directly from credible discussions and hearings, bypassing biased news outlets like the New York Propaganda Post.

Here are the sources:

• Congressional Research Service on gain-of-function research
• Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs
• Dr. Paul's statement on gain-of-function oversight

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

I for one certainly hope inroads can be made on this.

But instead of intelligent discussion, just the usual COVID conspiracy theories. Just tiresome children polluting the board with the same old partisan and pointlessly argumentative attitudes.

 

Listen up, you knuckleheads, this goes far beyond your pathetic left and right arguments. You are continually having the wool pulled over your eyes. Is Trump a Republican or a Democrat? Both can be corrupted. If they can make inroads into what they say....who cares?

Divided and you will fall.

Division was the game played by the Dems. As for Trump being a Republican it must be kept in mind that the Republican establishment are in no way fans of Trump.

[AlwaysThere]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Division was the game played by the Dems. As for Trump being a Republican it must be kept in mind that the Republican establishment are in no way fans of Trump.

 

 

Just the kind of thing I mentioned You simply cannot help yourself. Like children in the playground. It's like a mental illness that has spread.

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

 

Just the kind of thing I mentioned You simply cannot help yourself. Like children in the playground. It's like a mental illness that has spread.

 

[dinsdale]

27 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Well, I can't exactly 'cut and paste' when it comes to discussing scientific and policy issues; the information I shared is sourced directly from credible discussions and hearings, bypassing biased news outlets like the New York Propaganda Post.

Here are the sources:

• Congressional Research Service on gain-of-function research
• Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs
• Dr. Paul's statement on gain-of-function oversight

"So, what has been done since uncovering that our own government was funding dangerous virus research overseas, with little to no oversight? The answer is stark and chilling: nothing.

Some prefer this inaction, finding comfort in the shadows of bureaucracy and secrecy. They want Congress to remain passive, to accept their reassurances without question. But we cannot stand idly by. We must demand accountability, strive for transparency, and ensure the safety of our citizens is never again compromised by negligence or deceit."

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/reps/dr-paul-highlights-need-for-independent-oversight-of-gain-of-function-research/

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, Thailand said:

I think Trump knows his days are numbered

 

It's over, Thailand. Move on.

[candide]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

You have to ask yourself who does the peer reviewing and who funds the reliable sources. This isn't about being cynical it's about being sensible. As for the NIH program in the US there is nowhere I have stated that Sars-CoV-2 originated in this program.  If you think I have please post it by way of a quotation. What I have clearly stated is gain of function research was being conducted at the Wuhan Institute on bat coronaviruses and it was from here not the wet market that the pandemic started. Man made not zoonotic.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. So we agree that the Covid 19 virus has not been created by the NIH research program. It's was not obvious from your posts as you mix plenty of arguments.

 

About the claim you just made, it is not true that the dominant scientific explanation is that the virus is man made. It's the opposite.

Edited 1 minute ago by candide