Intoxicated tourist detained after Pattaya restaurant altercation

[kinyara]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

My opinion, in cases like this is the cctv proves true, then he should be held in custody until his holiday is up, charged 1000 baht a day for his keep in the cells and 10,000 for the transportation and walk through exit immigration to the plane and  blacklisted for 5 years. Thailand should set examples for bad behaving tourists.

 

When you think of the cost of a flight here, accomodation etc, I think that's actually a good idea that might actually  act as a deterrent for this kind of anti-social behaviour by tourists. Certainly sleeping it off for a night with possibly a few thousand baht fine seems too light. I hate the yobbos from back home bringing their loutish behaviour out here thinking they'll be no serious consequences.

[Expat Tom]

Every time I hear crap like this I pray that he isn't an American. 

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Not many Russians speak English fluently.

Really? Now you surely have to check that again. You already know I did not care about the dialect.

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

No. 
just ashamed.

i sadly predicted it.

i don’t think a single week has passed since I moved here that I haven’t been embarrassed by my fellow countrymen.

You obviously don’t get ashamed, maybe you have been here too long and it just has become normal? 

On behalf of Great Britain I would like to offer my sincere apologies to those from other countries. I understand how you must feel with these never ending news stories of disgusting behavior. I know it makes all farangs look bad.

 

And even a bigger apology to the lovely Thai people who don’t deserve this.

Yeah, I give it to you. You predicted it. I was just trying to be nice, and hoping it was another nationality this time. Unfortunately, we have learned that it´s 75% Brits who come to Thailand and behave bad.

As you already done, I would also like to offer my apologies on behalf of the British farangs in Thailand. We need to come together to fix this very notable problem, and stop deny the clear facts that it exists.

[MalcolmB]

34 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

We need to come together to fix this very notable problem, and stop deny the clear facts that it exists.

indeed, they are not only trashing our once good reputation, but that of all western foreigners in Thailand.
 

We will have young Richard along soon to call you a racist bigot and blame the restaurant owners, Thai police, the Thai government, dark window tint and biased reporting. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:26 AM by MalcolmB

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

No. 
just ashamed.

i sadly predicted it.

i don’t think a single week has passed since I moved here that I haven’t been embarrassed by my fellow countrymen.

You obviously don’t get ashamed, maybe you have been here too long and it just has become normal? 

On behalf of Great Britain I would like to offer my sincere apologies to those from other countries. I understand how you must feel with these never ending news stories of disgusting behavior. I know it makes all farangs look bad.

 

And even a bigger apology to the lovely Thai people who don’t deserve this.

 

A broken clock is correct twice per-day.

 

If you rely on your bigotry and shoot off your anti-British rhetoric every time a foreigner is involved in an incident in a place such as Pattaya, you will of course be right 'sometimes'...    thats just confirmation bias.

 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

A broken clock is correct twice per-day.

 

If you rely on your bigotry and shoot off your anti-British rhetoric every time a foreigner is involved in an incident in a place such as Pattaya, you will of course be right 'sometimes'...    thats just confirmation bias.

 

 

 

 

A there it is folks, just like clock work. 
 

Looks to have found a new scapegoat. 

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

a place such as Pattaya

 

[mikebell]

3 hours ago, roo860 said:

The fella in the clip is not British.

Sounds like a Geordie to me. 'Ah just wanna go home.'

[G_Money]

Was he an Aussie Donk?

 

 

[richard_smith237]

43 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, I give it to you. You predicted it. I was just trying to be nice, and hoping it was another nationality this time. Unfortunately, we have learned that it´s 75% Brits who come to Thailand and behave bad.

As you already done, I would also like to offer my apologies on behalf of the British farangs in Thailand. We need to come together to fix this very notable problem, and stop deny the clear facts that it exists.

 

I completely agree that 'some British' behave poorly...     But to tarnish 'all British' with that negative image is a flawed sweeping generalisation that is wholly inaccurate...  

 

Your made up statistic that its 75% of Brits who come to Thailand and behave poorly is ridiculous and something that MalcomB would make up.... I thought you'd evolved from this level of daft bigotry Gottfrid.

 

 

... No one of any nationality is insulated from the likelihood that one of their countrymen is an idiot and will do something stupid...   MalcomB is claiming he is British in this incarnation of his Aseannow membership...   That does not mean all Brits are poorly educated fools with fundamentally flawed mental processing.

 

You don't need to apologies for the Idiots Gottfrid, why would you apologise on behalf of someone you do not know... 

When a Thai person beats up a foreigner we don't expect all Thai to apologise on their behalf.

The only ones who need to apologise are the idiots themselves.

I'm happy to distance myself from the British idiots and any Foreign (Farang) idiots who may make the media, safe in the knowledge that intelligent people will not tar a whole nationality or race by the actions of a small minority of idiots.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

A there it is folks, just like clock work. 
 

Looks to have found a new scapegoat. 

 

No excuses - Places such as Pattaya and Patong attract a higher footfall of a certain demographic...  Thats just obvious. 

 

Sometimes its the Brits, sometimes its another nationality.

 

You only focus on the British because you are a Bigot.

 

I'm not apologising or making excuses for anyone who behaves poorly such as the the Foreigner in this story (whether he's British or not) - he's an idiot who's behaved terribly...   

 

 

I'm simply calling you out on your unhinged and imbalanced bigotry, you lack the reading comprehension to understand that and instead think any objection to your bigotry is some form of defence of idiots who behave poorly, its not.

 

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, mikebell said:

3 hours ago, roo860 said:

The fella in the clip is not British.

Sounds like a Geordie to me. 'Ah just wanna go home.'

 

Yep - he definitely sounds British to me too - as you wrote, possibly a Geordie... 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, I give it to you. You predicted it.

 

He didn't 'predict it'...   he just repeats it in every thread where a White Foreigner is negatively involved.

 

He's going to be right sometimes - but thats not a prediction, its just a repeated guess.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, kinyara said:

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

My opinion, in cases like this is the cctv proves true, then he should be held in custody until his holiday is up, charged 1000 baht a day for his keep in the cells and 10,000 for the transportation and walk through exit immigration to the plane and  blacklisted for 5 years. Thailand should set examples for bad behaving tourists.

 

When you think of the cost of a flight here, accomodation etc, I think that's actually a good idea that might actually  act as a deterrent for this kind of anti-social behaviour by tourists. Certainly sleeping it off for a night with possibly a few thousand baht fine seems too light. I hate the yobbos from back home bringing their loutish behaviour out here thinking they'll be no serious consequences.

 

Agreed...  when anyone is caught behaving like this..   particularly when unprovoked, giving them a 'ban' would certainly improve things...  as a preventative measure, but also preventing these fools from returning.

[ignore it]

My bets are on British 

 

But then again he's not wearing any sox

[Patong2021]

Funnily enough, he sounded a bit scottish to me.

 

In any case, he looked like a scared rabbit when he walked into the  restaurant/bar. I didn't see any type of aggression on his part. Nor are we shown the part where he gets beaten on the back of his head. perhaps there is more to this story than the edited recording?

[MalcolmB]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

He didn't 'predict it'... 

yeah I did.

 

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

That probably counts out Russians and Swiss.

My money is on one of our boys.

 

if I hadn’t seen it on the other news and posted it here you would still be trying to pin it on the French.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

yeah I did.

if I hadn’t seen it on the other news and posted it here you would still be trying to pin it on the French.

 

And this is exactly why I think you are a complete fool....  I've not tried to pin it in the French...  

 

I've suggested that IF this 'were a french person' you would not have commented because this does not fit your bigoted agenda... 

 

Now..  go and learn to read...  

 

[MalcolmB]

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your made up statistic that its 75% of Brits who come to Thailand and behave poorly is ridiculous and something that MalcomB would make up.... I thought you'd evolved from this level of daft bigotry Gottfrid.

I read that to mean that when these incidents occur there is a 75% chance it will be a Brit.

 

NOT 

That 75% of Brits behave like this.

 

I think you knew that. Just trying to argue with everyone as usual.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

He didn't 'predict it'... 

yeah I did.

 

No you didn't - you guessed...    

 

 

A prediction is an informed statement about a future event or outcome based on data, evidence, patterns, or a logical reasoning process - you are far from informed, you are simply a bigot.

 

A guess is an estimation or opinion about a future event or outcome made without sufficient evidence or complete information - you guess and when it becomes true you claim some sort of victory as you bounce around your echo-chamber fuelled by conformation bias.

 

 

I note you pass no comments on the threads where a Thai beats up a westerner !

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I read that to mean that when these incidents occur there is a 75% chance it will be a Brit.

 

NOT 

That 75% of Brits behave like this.

 

I think you knew that. Just trying to argue with everyone as usual.

 

I didn't - but your interpretation makes more sense... 

 

The statistic is still completely made up rubbish.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Just trying to argue with everyone as usual.

 

You should note from other threads - I only argue with the idiots making outrageously stupid comments and call them out for such... 

 

There are lots of other threads where the discussion is far more constructive because the posters in those threads are not making bigoted, racist or outlandishly inaccurate claims... 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

A prediction is an informed statement about a future event or outcome based on data, evidence, patterns, or a logical reasoning process

It was the data and patterns that lead me to make this correct prediction.

 

That is why I am known in my social and business circles and on this forum as “The Accurate One”

 

If you need to know anything else, feel free to ask me.

[newnative]

Stop the presses!

[richard_smith237]

50 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It was the data and patterns that lead me to make this correct prediction.

 

That is why I am known in my social and business circles and on this forum as “The Accurate One”

 

If you need to know anything else, feel free to ask me.

 

What data exactly ???...   just the reports here which is not even qualitative information. 

 

You can no more accurately asses the frequency a Brit is involved in an 'incident' based on reports in this forum, than you can road fatality stats based on reports in this forum. 

 

You also completely overlook any other reports involving other nationalities because you focus solely on reports involving the British to confirm your bias. 

 

Now: IF you had a running tally: 

- British: xx reports over 12 months

- Swiss: xx reports over 12 months

- French: xx reports over 12 months

 

Then there may be a very weak scientific basis to your opinion - however, you'd still be missing proportion (i.e. how many incidents per 10,000 tourist / foreigners of that nationality etc)

 

If there are 50 reports from 500,000 Brits... thats 10 per 100,000

If there are 10 reports from 50,000 Swiss... thats 20 per 100,000 

 

 

Of course - you wont take the time to establish any of this, you won't take the time to recognise that as this is an English Language Forum and the sources and information are heavily bias towards reporting on the British....  then there is the contagion effect, whereby IF reports on Brits draws more attention, further attention is attracted... 

 

We saw this last year when there were a successive number of reports about Swiss foreginers in Thailand and the contagion effect surfaced whereby even a minor issue regarding a Swiss person attracted a report. 

 

 

It does seem that there are many reports about British, and the above covers reasons for this - In much the same reasons Reports in Bali will focus on poorly behaving Australians, and in Cancun reports will focus on poorly behaving Americans. 

 

Also, in Thailand we see a number reports focusing on poorly behaving Chinese and Russians, and then the associated bigoted comments about them - thats just becase they are here in such high numbers, some of them are of course going to 'stuff up' and the racists and bigots like to jump in on these threads - but that doesn't mean all Chinese and all Russians are 'bad tourists'... which is your accusation against the Brits... 

 

You, MalcomB are bigot solely targeting the British - you have never posted anything which redeems you from this fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:25 AM by richard_smith237

[MalcolmB]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You also completely overlook any other reports involving other nationalities because you focus solely on reports involving the British to confirm your bias. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

you won't take the time to recognise that as this is an English Language Forum the sources and information are heavily bias towards reporting on Brits..

 

 

No, despite you claiming we are victimized, this and two other reports this month were reported here BEFORE it was confirmed what country they were from.

 

It was only later revealed that the perpetrators were British after the initial reporting.

Same happened with this one.

You have come up with yet another angle to deflect again. 
As I predicted you would. “Bias on reporting on Brits” 

 

Despite your long winded whataboutism rant above, the facts were that I correctly predicted this one to be a Brit again as did a couple of other posters. 
 

Your generation always want to claim victimization and just can not accept reality. 
One day you might grow up.

A real man can admit when he is wrong.

 

 

[MalcolmB]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What data exactly ???... 

The official data Richard. The Nile is a river in Egypt.

 

British nationals are more likely to be arrested in Thailand than in any other overseas country, official figures reveal.
However, it’s in Spain and the USA where the highest number of arrests of British nationals were recorded. According to the most recent stats available, which record the period from 1 April 2015 to 31 March 2016, a total of 194 Brits were arrested in Thailand, which amounts to 45 per 100,000 visits.

 

https://pattayaone.news/brits-behaving-badly-uk-citizens-most-likely-to-get-arrested-in-thailand/

 

Now the question must be asked.

Will Richard admit he was wrong again?

I am predicting he won’t, it will be just another long winded whataboutism rant about being victimized.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Then there may be a very weak scientific basis to your opinion - however, you'd still be missing proportion (i.e. how many incidents per 10,000 tourist / foreigners of that nationality etc)

 

If there are 50 reports from 500,000 Brits... thats 10 per 100,000

If there are 10 reports from 50,000 Swiss... thats 20 per 100,000 

 

No, the data is in proportion.

 

Your made up figure of 10 per 100,000 was a very low guesstimate you just made up.

The arrest rate is 4.5 times that. And let’s face it only about one in ten would be arrested and reported. 
More likely to be about 450 per 100,000 or 45 times what you are trying to play down.
 

It is an absolute disgrace.

 

[lordgrinz]

Don't look now, but there is another British drunk on BangkokPost who attacked two good Samaritans who decided to drive him home after he was refused taxi service because he was too drunk. I'm thinking the British need to work on their sobriety.

[MalcolmB]

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

poorly behaving Australians, and in Cancun reports will focus on poorly behaving Americans. 

 

Also in Thailand we see a number reports focusing on poorly behaving Chinese and Russians,

Whataboutism that you have just made up to suit your narrative ignoring all the data as usual.

 

Note the report also says we are the worst in Portugal, UAE, the USA and Spain gets mentioned also.

 

we are world famous trouble makers

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I am predicting he won’t, it will be just another long winded whataboutism rant about being victimized.

 

Further distortion - there is no claim of being victimised...  I'm calling you out for being a bigot, your bigotry surfaces in any thread in which a Brit has behaved poorly... The absense of comment when its any other nationality is also notable. 

 

Post stats for other nationalities as a comparison....    then you might have a fair basis for judgement. 

The issue of course, is that stats for other nationalities cannot be found.

 

38 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

No, the data is in proportion.

 

Your made up figure of 10 per 100,000 was a very low guesstimate you just made up.

The arrest rate is 4.5 times that. And let’s face it only about one in ten would be arrested and reported. 
More likely to be about 450 per 100,000 or 45 times what you are trying to play down.
 

It is an absolute disgrace.

 

Fair enough - the stat for Thailand (in 2015) was 45 British arrests per 100,000 British visitors.

You have then chosen to 'inflated' this to assume a number of British touble makes by 10 fold - that could be close, it could be far off, it could be less - you have no idea, but you have now shoe-horned that into your confirmation bias ??

 

The actual stat for Brits arrested overseas is 6.9 per 100,000. 

How many is it for US Citizens ?, Thai's, Germans, French, Australians etc etc - there are no available figures so you have no frame of reference. 

 

How many Swiss, Germans, French, Australians, US arrested in Thailand per 100,000 visitors from those nations? again, there are no available figures so you have no frame of reference. 

 

 

 

Look for balanced comparison...      it may still be found found that the numbers British are higher. 

 

BUT, contrary to your assertion - that still does not fit a sweeping generalisation that British Tourists are 'bad' because out of 432,000 British Tourists each year (2015 data), 194 of them getting arrested is 0.0004 %...   and that does not make a fitting generalisation...  

 

This is why you are a bigot. You are pedalling a false narative with your highly flawed generalisation that the British are Trouble makers when it is an extreme minority who cause problems... 

 

Even with your 10x exaggeration that would still be far less than  0.01 % - hardly something from which to draw an intelligent basis for a generalisation.

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:27 AM by richard_smith237