Intoxicated tourist detained after Pattaya restaurant altercation

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Fair point - but the Options to presented were loaded - you failed to give the option. 

- I drink and remain within the DUI limit....   and failing to do so loaded the result to suit your DUI ideology that its ok to drive when drunk on 10 beers (just so long as you are careful of course !!)... 

 

Your use of the results to suggest that DUI is in any form acceptable is as stupid as your bigotry.

 

 

What would I apologise for ??..  you ???   another Brit drink driving, another Brit making dumb generalisations ?

 

Just as I don't need to apologise for idiotic Brits who get themselves into trouble, I don't need to apologise for you....

... and while the 'horse' may look high from your perspective, its at ground level for people who are not DUI promoting bigots. 

 

 

No, but you can apologize for all the insane words you are using. Like bias, bigotry and so on, and placing people that tells you the facts at a lower level than you. You put yourself at a lower level, by acting that way. There is no bias or bigotry, as we deliver the truth. The majority, by far, regarding people coming to Thailand behaving badly are Brits. Something that delivers the fact, that British nationality among people behaving badly are the biggest reason Thais are getting more and more negative towards foreigners.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

See, you managed to put the least important on top and focus on that. This actually has nothing to do with that, it was just a side note, but you professionally use such methods to derail and mislead focus.

 

Professionally ?? - I don't get paid for my contribution here - I'll make no apology for responding in a manner you struggle to content with Gottfrid... 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

What is important is that I am very quick to condemn my fellow Swedes, as I have done more than once on this forum, when they are out of order.

 

As you should be, I and I am quick to condemn anyone who behaves so poorly in public that they attract the attention of authorities or make the news, regardless of nationality. I am equally as quick to condemn bigotry - yours included.

 

8 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

When Brits are out of order, we never see you unless we quote how bad it is. Then little Richard comes to the recue for the British population. It´s truly pathetic. Clownery as it´s best.

 

That is incorrect and as fabricated as the stat made up earlier. 

 

And... no, I'm not 'rescuing the British Poplation' at all - thats not needed...  But I am calling out the bigotry in comments made by posters such as yourself...    Pathetic is your inability to recognise this... clownery is the manner in which you shoe-horned yourself into this debate and reignited your own fire of bigotry...   

 

.... too stupid to even recognise when you are posting bigoted generalisations. 

[Gottfrid]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

A rather unhinged rant Gottfrid - the anti-British bigotry that you so frequently displayed in the past has surface again.

I thought you'd learned to keep that broken bias in check...  

 

Disagreeing or agreeing with someone has nothing to do with arrogance - You seem to be of the opinion that because I am capable of stringing a sentence together I am portraying some sort of superiority complex; ergo arrogance - thats down to your own attitudes not my comments.

 

 

Going one way that, this and another ???...   erm.. You mean having varied opinions on a varying extent of subject, just like anyone else...    So you don't like an opinion that disagrees with yours - thats ok, thats what this forum us for - debate and discuss opinions. 

 

I disagree with the exaggerated extent of MalcomB's anti-British bias... I have disagreed with the extent of your anti-British bias in the past... I disagree with that same bias you have started to present in this thread.

 

 

 

Yep, I initially misunderstood the statistic you provided.. MalcomB corrected that, which I'm fine with.

 

And yes, of course I accuse you of making up that 75% statistic.... did you read it elsewhere ?... Post a link then...

You can't because you made it up..... Its not a statistic... its an exaggerated and bias opinion of yours designed to look like a statistic because you are incapable of presenting a balanced argument when clouded by such bias.

 

 

 

You have quoted that whenever there is an issue with a foreigner in Thailand, there is a 75% probability that a Brit caused it...  

This is as I understand your quote - there is no basis in fact for this percentage that you have simply picked out of thin air.

 

 

 

 

Do you also apologies for Thai's who behave badly, or is your apology on behalf of 'farangs' in general ?

Or, do you only choose to apologise for the behaviour of an extreme minority of British who appear in these reports ?

 

AND... you have the wrong idea.. I'm not trying to protect the idiots - fools who get themselves into trouble are fools, no matter where they are from...   BUT, if I am protecting anyone it is the general reputation of the British who you, MalcolmB wish to slur with sweeping generalisations that are bigoted and flawed.

 

I have 100's of British Acquaintances here in Thailand, many through sports and socialising... I can't say that I've ever seen one of them behave poorly enough to make the media.... So, of course I will defend the reputation of Brits from bias accusation.

 

Now: Brits seem to make the media a lot, I've explained why earlier on the the thread.

- Higher number of Brits here / Contagion effect / British centric reporting.

 

..... and, you may just be right that when 'facts' are secured, more British per 100,000 find themselves on the negative side of publicity here than those form other nations - I wouldn't disagree with such a comment. 

But, I disagree with people such as yourself and MalcomB exercising your bias and tarnishing a whole nationality because of what you read on this forum and I do so for one simple reason - the opinion presented is bigoted as it projects from such a tiny minority.

Check the facts yourself. You are just laughable. Big clownery from your side!

[Gottfrid]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Professionally ?? - I don't get paid for my contribution here - I'll make no apology for responding in a manner you struggle to content with Gottfrid... 

 

 

 

As you should be, I and I am quick to condemn anyone who behaves so poorly in public that they attract the attention of authorities or make the news, regardless of nationality. I am equally as quick to condemn bigotry - yours included.

 

 

That is incorrect and as fabricated as the stat made up earlier. 

 

And... no, I'm not 'rescuing the British Poplation' at all - thats not needed...  But I am calling out the bigotry in comments made by posters such as yourself...    Pathetic is your inability to recognise this... clownery is the manner in which you shoe-horned yourself into this debate and reignited your own fire of bigotry...   

 

.... too stupid to even recognise when you are posting bigoted generalisations. 

Generalizations, Bigotry. This time you forgot bias. But I don´t care. I just laugh at people like you.

Edited 3 hours ago by Gottfrid

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Gottfrid said:

No, but you can apologize for all the insane words you are using. Like bias, bigotry and so on, and placing people that tells you the facts at a lower level than you.

 

You are a bigot - you have posted sweeping generalisation about a nation - sorry you dont like that, but if the cap fits... 

 

And... If you think 'you' are at a lower level than I, I can't help with that, you'll have to reflect on why you think that is. 

 

Just now, Gottfrid said:

You put yourself at a lower level, by acting that way.

 

Erm... ok bigot - if you say so.

 

Just now, Gottfrid said:

There is no bias or bigotry, as we deliver the truth. The majority, by far, regarding people coming to Thailand behaving badly are Brits.

 

No, you've delivered bigotry and made up your own statistic and now made up your own statement and have pedalled it as fact..

 

Just now, Gottfrid said:

Something that delivers the fact, that British nationality among people behaving badly are the biggest reason Thais are getting more and more negative towards foreigners.

 

Thai's are now getting more and more negative towards foreigners ???? - if you've experienced that, then its on you. 

I've not experienced that at all...  

...  perhaps you are making up more rubbish to try and make your point, just like making up your own statistics. 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Check the facts yourself. You are just laughable. Big clownery from your side!

 

OK present facts that the British are 'trouble makers'... 

 

Fact:  - 0.004% of British Visitors are arrested in Thailand each year. 

Fact - That is not a majority.

Fact - You are anti-British and a bigot.

[Gottfrid]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You are a bigot - you have posted sweeping generalisation about a nation - sorry you dont like that, but if the cap fits... 

 

And... If you think 'you' are at a lower level than I, I can't help with that, you'll have to reflect on why you think that is. 

 

 

Erm... ok bigot - if you say so.

 

 

No, you've delivered bigotry and made up your own statistic and now made up your own statement and have pedalled it as fact..

 

 

Thai's are now getting more and more negative towards foreigners ???? - if you've experienced that, then its on you. 

I've not experienced that at all...  

...  perhaps you are making up more rubbish to try and make your point, just like making up your own statistics. 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, Bigot and generalizations. Richard, again you forgot your favorite word, bias.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Generalizations, Bigotry. This time you forgot bias. But I don´t care. I just laugh at people like you.

 

In contrast I feel sorry for people like you - education systems have clearly let you down and you lack the nouse to overcome your flawed knee-jerk impressions and double down with the dumb bigotry you have presented in this thread.

 

Using the stats presented by MalcomB earlier, Out of 432,000 visitors...  431,806 were not arrested...   are you still going to stick to your sweeping bigoted generalisations ?

 

Anyone with any intelligence would recognise that 'trouble makers' are minute minority - and I'll agree with you that the British Trouble makers are abhorrent characters, but I will not see flawed generalisations thrown and any nationality, race or gender without solid facts - and you do not have solid facts.

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Again, Bigot and generalizations. Richard, again you forgot your favorite word, bias.

 

Learn English - Bigotry already implies a strong degree of bias and prejudice... Educate yourself, you'll make yourself look less of a clown.... 

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by richard_smith237

[Gottfrid]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

OK present facts that the British are 'trouble makers'... 

 

Fact:  - 0.004% of British Visitors are arrested in Thailand each year. 

Fact - That is not a majority.

Fact - You are anti-British and a bigot.

Oki doki!

Why is the fact how many who gets arrested of relevance here. Behaving badly, we were talking about. You know, hitting the news! 

Out of the people behaving badly in Thailand and hitting the news because of that, the majority, by far, are British passport holders.

 

As above are facts, then that has nothing to do with me being anti-British, which I am not. I am just stating the facts, that you have a hard time hearing and reading. That does not make me a bigot.
 

[Gottfrid]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Learn English - Bigotry already implies a strong degree of bias and prejudice... Educate yourself, you'll make yourself look less of a clown.... 

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

In contrast I feel sorry for people like you - education systems have clearly let you down and you lack the nouse to overcome your flawed knee-jerk impressions and double down with the dumb bigotry you have presented in this thread.

 

Using the stats presented by MalcomB earlier, Out of 432,000 visitors...  431,806 were not arrested...   are you still going to stick to your sweeping bigoted generalisations ?

 

Anyone with any intelligence would recognise that 'trouble makers' are minute minority - and I'll agree with you that the British Trouble makers are abhorrent characters, but I will not see flawed generalisations thrown and any nationality, race or gender without solid facts - and you do not have solid facts.

 

 

 

 

You still don´t understand, or just don´t want to, as it hurts you national pride too much. We are saying that most of the people behaving bad in Thailand, are Brits. The percentage thing, you are hooked on is not important, that is just something made up like you say. However, it is not made up, that the majority of westerners behaving bad in Thailand holds British nationality.

End of.....You can´t get away from that.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Oki doki!

Why is the fact how many who gets arrested of relevance here. Behaving badly, we were talking about. You know, hitting the news! 

 

Arguing with me or MalcomB - the numbers are his quote. 

 

So... how many Brits hit the news for behaving badly ?? one per day ????..... 10 per day ?...  

 

 

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Out of the people behaving badly in Thailand and hitting the news because of that, the majority, by far, are British passport holders.

 

Explained a few times in this thread already

- Lots of British / English centric news / contagion effect.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

As above are facts, then that has nothing to do with me being anti-British, which I am not.

 

Oh, but you most definitely are, otherwise you'd be posting with a more measured balanced - you would have posted in the past with a more measured balance instead of earning yourself the reputation as a Brit-basher.

 

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

I am just stating the facts, that you have a hard time hearing and reading. That does not make me a bigot.

 

You are stating your opinion and presenting it as a fact with a sweeping generalisation, and that makes your opinion prejudice to the point of being bigoted.

[anandra]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Arguing with me or MalcomB - the numbers are his quote. 

 

So... how many Brits hit the news for behaving badly ?? one per day ????..... 10 per day ?...  

 

 

 

Explained a few times in this thread already

- Lots of British / English centric news / contagion effect.

 

 

 

Oh, but you most definitely are, otherwise you'd be posting with a more measured balanced - you would have posted in the past with a more measured balance instead of earning yourself the reputation as a Brit-basher.

 

 

You are stating your opinion and presenting it as a fact with a sweeping generalisation, and that makes your opinion prejudice to the point of being bigoted.

The majority have russki passports, not a single nation drinks as much as ruski

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

You still don´t understand, or just don´t want to, as it hurts you national pride too much. We are saying that most of the people behaving bad in Thailand, are Brits. The percentage thing, you are hooked on is not important, that is just something made up like you say. However, it is not made up, that the majority of westerners behaving bad in Thailand holds British nationality.

End of.....You can´t get away from that.

 

There it is...   but its still not true - Most of the people behaving poorly in Thailand are actually Thai, but thats is  obvious.

Now, of the foreginers, most of the people who make the news pages of Aseannow for poor behaviour appear to be British, but there is no actual statistic to back that up - nevertheless, I wouldn't disagree with such a statement - but it could be argued that a lot of Chinese and local Migrants reach the media for negative reasons - but you won't notice that on Aseannow - because its more 'Western / English centric', but, if you were to read Thai social media and sources you would identify this.

 

 

That leads me onto your final statement which is perhaps the most accurate you've made...  of the Westerners who reach the news of media outlets such as Aseannow, the majority are British - I wouldn't argue with that.

 

But, the extent of Anti-British rhetoric that you have displayed in the past and reignited today, and that or MalcolmB who has displayed an anti-British rhetoric since he joined the forum 6 months or so ago is highlighted by the silence from both of you when it is another nationality which reaches the headlines, yet you both of you are incredibly fast to condemn the British in general as soon as you read it is a Brit who is the source of a problem - and for such attitudes it is clear both MalcomB and yourself are indeed, prejudice against British to the point of being bigots, even if you are so blind you cannot see it yourself. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, anandra said:

The majority have russki passports, not a single nation drinks as much as ruski

 

What are you doing here ?...  taking Anti-British prejudice and turning it into Anti-Russian prejudice ?

 

There is an abundance of negative news from nationals of plenty of different countries - no one nationality stands out significantly enough to tarnish the whole -  Its just an extreme minority of complete ayholes from many different countries, and tarnishing any nation with negative generalisations enters the realm of bigotry.

 

 

[anandra]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

What are you doing here ?...  taking Anti-British prejudice and turning it into Anti-Russian prejudice ?

 

There is an abundance of negative news from nationals of plenty of different countries - no one nationality stands out significantly enough to tarnish the whole -  Its just an extreme minority of complete ayholes from many different countries, and tarnishing any nation with negative generalisations enters the realm of bigotry.

 

 

you are mistaken my friend, as to the russians it is not an extreme minority. I have lived with them a lot as well as I lived with the Brits. So your polite remark means nothing. I also follow russian media in Thailand,FB and telegram groups. Every single day, accidents, drunk driving, jumping off the balcony, fighting and drowning.  I can continue, as well as I have many russian friends who live here on long-term visas, so I know what I am talking about. But you have no idea at all

Edited 47 minutes ago by anandra