Denver's nut job mayor to head the resistance.

[OneMoreFarang]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:07 PM, Ben Zioner said:

America will then be reborn.

It seems you still have hope for that place. 

[riclag]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:23 AM, Cryingdick said:

https://www.9news.com/article/news/politics/denver-mayor-mike-johnston-police-officers-block-trump-deportation/73-99dcea89-e9ad-4e11-ad1e-d3facd6e5519

 

9NEWS asked the mayor several times what his plan is on day one if federal forces or national guardsmen from other states show up in Colorado. He said right now there is no plan, but city leaders are hoping to come up with one before the inauguration in January.

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Federal judge shopping!

 

Obama & Biden got many stationed all over the states.

The lefts got many activist organizations all ready lined up to protest deportation!

https://www.organizedcommunities.org/

[Ben Zioner]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems you still have hope for that place. 

I do actually, USA has it's ups and down, but better "fundamentals" than any other place on the world. 

 

 

 

 

 

[cardinalblue]

Trump spouted this this gloom and doom BS his first term and he ended up deporting far less than Obama and Biden did...

 

Everyone is for deporting criminals whether crimes in their homeland or in USA...But start there....If you look at the numbers, that is the focus of who is deported concurrently...They could do a better job

 

If you look at crime stats, US citizens for serious violent crimes commit twice that of illegals when data is adjusted and 4X that of illegals for property crimes...Americans need to look in the mirror and asked what is wrong with their culture?

 

I vote to deport all criminals American citizens or not back to their ancestry country...don't use illegals as an excuse for a far greater cultural problem in USA....You don't deport 100% if only 5-10% is the problem...focus on the problem...that is what the Denver mayor is saying... 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/26/2024 at 5:27 AM, frank83628 said:

Why do these people want to protect people illegally in the country, is it purely to defy trump and make a name for them selves while doing it.... like Leticia James.

Perhaps he wants his 15 minutes of fame.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, cardinalblue said:

Trump spouted this this gloom and doom BS his first term and he ended up deporting far less than Obama and Biden did...

 

Everyone is for deporting criminals whether crimes in their homeland or in USA...But start there....If you look at the numbers, that is the focus of who is deported concurrently...They could do a better job

 

If you look at crime stats, US citizens for serious violent crimes commit twice that of illegals when data is adjusted and 4X that of illegals for property crimes...Americans need to look in the mirror and asked what is wrong with their culture?

 

I vote to deport all criminals American citizens or not back to their ancestry country...don't use illegals as an excuse for a far greater cultural problem in USA....You don't deport 100% if only 5-10% is the problem...focus on the problem...that is what the Denver mayor is saying... 

It's quite evident you don't understand how deportation works.

Edited 22 hours ago by Hawaiian

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Seems as if you do not understand my post.  You keep repeating how the mayor is an outstanding family man, etc.  The fact is these are illegal immigrants, many of them violent criminals.  They entered this country illegally and should not be allowed to stay.  Why have immigration laws if they are not enforced?

How many of unauthorized immigrants in Denver are there?

How many of the unauthorized immigrants are violent criminals?

 

[Cryingdick]

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

How many of unauthorized immigrants in Denver are there?

How many of the unauthorized immigrants are violent criminals?

 

 

After all it is only a handful of apartment complexes controlled by violent Venezuelan gangs in the Denver area. 

[Tango777]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:27 AM, frank83628 said:

Why do these people want to protect people illegally in the country, is it purely to defy trump and make a name for them selves while doing it.... like Leticia James.

In most cases they are taking $ in one form or another from the S0ro$ gang and others, and they also do it to get votes from people who want something for nothing. All the way to the top of the left. 

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

How many of unauthorized immigrants in Denver are there?

How many of the unauthorized immigrants are violent criminals?

 

How many?  One too many.  If someone commits a only ONE murder there is no incentive to track them down because it is only ONE murder. 

If Denver does nothing about helping to remove illegal immigrants, more will come including criminals, both petty and violent.  Remember, violent criminals often start out as non-violent.

[TedG]

 

Resist we much. 

Edited 6 hours ago by TedG

[TedG]

5 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

After all it is only a handful of apartment complexes controlled by violent Venezuelan gangs in the Denver area. 

 

It’s the price you pay for diversity.  

[Patong2021]

8 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

After all it is only a handful of apartment complexes controlled by violent Venezuelan gangs in the Denver area. 

 

The Denver area, is not the city of Denver. There is no evidence to support the claim that  apartment buildings in Denver have been over run by  gangs. 

To date, the allegations relate to apartment buildings in Aurora and  appear to be an excuse put forward by what is described as a slumlord for the neglect of its property(s).  The reality is that the county health agency has now closed one of the buildings down because of building neglect and is moving to take action against others.  The premises were over run with bedbugs, and rodents and basic repairs were not done. The property owner has tried to excuse their neglect by blaming the presence of  a criminal gang.

A simple visit to the local news would have shown many articles on the situation, all of them highlighting the  exploitation of residents and poor upkeep.

 

7 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

How many?  One too many.  If someone commits a only ONE murder there is no incentive to track them down because it is only ONE murder. 

If Denver does nothing about helping to remove illegal immigrants, more will come including criminals, both petty and violent.  Remember, violent criminals often start out as non-violent.

 

The Mayor of Denver has not said that he would block the removal of criminals. His issue is one of fairness and his comments are in respect to the immigrants who have lived in the USA for a long time,and who have been doing the menial low wage jobs, been law abiding, paying taxes  and keeping a low profile. Much of the unauthorized immigrant population has been here for 10 years or more .

 

The mayor is trying to  prevent a human catastrophe that could destroy social service agencies and create unintended child abuse consequences. Have you seen the Pew Research data on the unauthorized immigrant demographics? Of the 11 million+ population;

- In 86% of these households, either the householder or their spouse is an unauthorized immigrant.

- Almost 70% of these households are considered “mixed status,” meaning that they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

- About 4.4 million U.S.-born children under 18 live with an unauthorized immigrant parent. They account for about 84% of all minor children living with their unauthorized immigrant parent. Altogether, about 850,000 children under 18 are unauthorized immigrants in 2022.

 

How do you propose to care for 4.4 million children if you remove their parent(s) who is currently paying for their care?

By law, the children cannot be removed from the country, and must be cared for by the state, which means the taxpayer.  Depending on the state, it can cost anywhere from $10,000- $20,000 a year per child for basic care. Do the math. Now tell me where you will come up with a minimum $44 billion a year to pay for the obligation to care for US citizens.

 

[Hawaiian]

59 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The Denver area, is not the city of Denver. There is no evidence to support the claim that  apartment buildings in Denver have been over run by  gangs. 

To date, the allegations relate to apartment buildings in Aurora and  appear to be an excuse put forward by what is described as a slumlord for the neglect of its property(s).  The reality is that the county health agency has now closed one of the buildings down because of building neglect and is moving to take action against others.  The premises were over run with bedbugs, and rodents and basic repairs were not done. The property owner has tried to excuse their neglect by blaming the presence of  a criminal gang.

A simple visit to the local news would have shown many articles on the situation, all of them highlighting the  exploitation of residents and poor upkeep.

 

 

The Mayor of Denver has not said that he would block the removal of criminals. His issue is one of fairness and his comments are in respect to the immigrants who have lived in the USA for a long time,and who have been doing the menial low wage jobs, been law abiding, paying taxes  and keeping a low profile. Much of the unauthorized immigrant population has been here for 10 years or more .

 

The mayor is trying to  prevent a human catastrophe that could destroy social service agencies and create unintended child abuse consequences. Have you seen the Pew Research data on the unauthorized immigrant demographics? Of the 11 million+ population;

- In 86% of these households, either the householder or their spouse is an unauthorized immigrant.

- Almost 70% of these households are considered “mixed status,” meaning that they also contain lawful immigrants or U.S.-born residents.

- About 4.4 million U.S.-born children under 18 live with an unauthorized immigrant parent. They account for about 84% of all minor children living with their unauthorized immigrant parent. Altogether, about 850,000 children under 18 are unauthorized immigrants in 2022.

 

How do you propose to care for 4.4 million children if you remove their parent(s) who is currently paying for their care?

By law, the children cannot be removed from the country, and must be cared for by the state, which means the taxpayer.  Depending on the state, it can cost anywhere from $10,000- $20,000 a year per child for basic care. Do the math. Now tell me where you will come up with a minimum $44 billion a year to pay for the obligation to care for US citizens.

 

If a wanted criminal is discovered after ten years of hiding from the law, in all fairness, they should not be arrested????  That's for the court's to decide and not by you or the mayor of Denver.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hawaiian

[Patong2021]

24 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

If a wanted criminal is discovered after ten years of hiding from the law, in all fairness, they should not be arrested????  That's for the court's to decide and not by you or the mayor of Denver.

 

No one is  arguing  against the removal of a "wanted criminal, discovered after 10 years of hiding from the law".  

BTW, how do you propose caring for the millions of  US children who will be left without financial support once their paying parent is removed? What's your plan?

 

[Hawaiian]

12 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

No one is  arguing  against the removal of a "wanted criminal, discovered after 10 years of hiding from the law".  

BTW, how do you propose caring for the millions of  US children who will be left without financial support once their paying parent is removed? What's your plan?

 

According to Tom Homan, Trump's new "immigration czar", accommodations will be available for deported parents to take their children with them.  If the parents don't want to take their children with them then legal relatives will be given an opportunity to take them in.  There are many NGOs that will sponsor an adoption program for any "unwanted" kids.  Some deported parents might asked to have their kids sent to them once they are resettled in their home country.   

Judging by your posts, you mostly likely think it will never work.  I say, if there is a will there is a way to make it work.

This is the why the U.S. Constitution needs to be amended to deny citizenship to children born in the U.S. to illegals.

[Hawaiian]

30 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

No one is  arguing  against the removal of a "wanted criminal, discovered after 10 years of hiding from the law".  

BTW, how do you propose caring for the millions of  US children who will be left without financial support once their paying parent is removed? What's your plan?

 

I made the analogy of a wanted criminal with your justification for not deporting long-term illegals.  They broke the law and by definition are criminals  Contrary to what you may think this is what our laws say.

[jvs]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes