Popular Post Social Media Posted November 27, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 27, 2024 Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has ignited debate after claiming that illegal immigrants are disproportionately involved in sexual violence in Italy. Speaking during an interview with *Donna Moderna* on the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women, Meloni addressed the sensitive topic of gender-based violence, linking it to issues of immigration and public safety. Meloni asserted that tackling mass illegal immigration could enhance efforts to make public spaces safer for women. She stated, "Now I will be called a racist, but there is a greater incidence, unfortunately, in cases of sexual violence, by immigrants," specifying that this was particularly true of those who entered the country illegally. She explained her reasoning further, saying that when individuals "have nothing, a 'degeneration' occurs that can lead anywhere." Acknowledging the complexities of gender-based violence, Meloni emphasized the need for a strong legal and policing framework. "We need to guarantee the presence of the police, guarantee that there are crimes, [and] guarantee that when someone commits a crime they pay for that crime," she remarked. The Prime Minister’s comments come amid heightened awareness around gender-based violence in Italy. Last week, a foundation was inaugurated in honor of Giulia Cecchetin, a 22-year-old woman who was tragically kidnapped and murdered by her ex-boyfriend. The case has intensified public discussions on how best to address violence against women. Meloni's remarks, however, have drawn sharp criticism. Italian Education Minister Giuseppe Valditara recently faced backlash for making a similar claim, suggesting that illegal immigration was linked to rising incidents of sexual violence. Valditara’s statements provoked outrage, with opposition figures accusing him of perpetuating falsehoods. More Europe leader Riccardo Magi refuted the claims, citing official data from the Ministry of the Interior that attributes over 80% of femicides in Italy to Italian citizens. Magi lambasted Valditara's remarks, describing them as "shameless racist exploitation" and pointing out that such claims are not supported by available statistics. The tension reflects a broader divide in Italy over the intersection of immigration, public safety, and violence against women. Meloni's candid acknowledgment that her remarks might draw accusations of racism underscores the controversy surrounding the topic. Her government’s approach to immigration and public safety continues to be a polarizing issue, with critics accusing it of scapegoating marginalized groups while supporters praise its focus on law and order. As debates rage on, the tragic stories of women like Giulia Cecchetin remain a stark reminder of the urgency needed to address violence against women in all its forms, regardless of the political disputes it may provoke. Based on a report by Daily Mail 2024-11-28 2 1
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted November 27, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 27, 2024 52 minutes ago, Social Media said: Meloni asserted that tackling mass illegal immigration could enhance efforts to make public spaces safer for women. She stated, "Now I will be called a racist, but there is a greater incidence, unfortunately, in cases of sexual violence, by immigrants," specifying that this was particularly true of those who entered the country illegally. She explained her reasoning further, saying that when individuals "have nothing, a 'degeneration' occurs that can lead anywhere." It was a mistake to try and explain anything in relation to illegal immigrants. They are illegal, best prevented from landing in the first place but if they do manage to get to land deport them immediately, or send them to a camp in the middle of a desert somewhere to wait for their review. Australia has the best way of dissuading them on the planet. It's time to kick the woke into touch on this issue, sooner the better. 1 1 2 6
thaibeachlovers Posted November 27, 2024 Posted November 27, 2024 57 minutes ago, Social Media said: Meloni's remarks, however, have drawn sharp criticism. Italian Education Minister Giuseppe Valditara recently faced backlash for making a similar claim, suggesting that illegal immigration was linked to rising incidents of sexual violence. Valditara’s statements provoked outrage, with opposition figures accusing him of perpetuating falsehoods. That's what the woke do. Best ignored. Responding to the loonies only encourages them to keep ranting. 2 1 2
thaibeachlovers Posted November 27, 2024 Posted November 27, 2024 I had hopes that Meloni would actually do what she said before the election. Unfortunately she turned out to be another empty paper bag politician that promises the world to get elected and then abandons everything they promised once in the big chair. 1 2 1
Popular Post stevenl Posted November 27, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 27, 2024 Should be easy to determine whether the claims are true or not. 1 1 1 1
Popular Post AndreasHG Posted November 28, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 28, 2024 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: That's what the woke do. Best ignored. Responding to the loonies only encourages them to keep ranting. Talking about ranting, it's funny how some people see wokeism everywhere, even where there is very little of it. In Italy deeply rooted Catholic culture predates wokeism by a couple of thousand years at least, and respect for the Catholic church's dictates is still dominant, especially among more conservative circles. Pope Francis has called anti-migrant measures "grave sins". He has also said that it is a "grave sin" to not offer aid to migrant vessels. He doubled down by blaming wealthy countries for the increase in immigration numbers, saying they are responsible because of their economic strength and energy policies. No mention of the corruption, nepotism, violation of fundamental human rights, excessive demographic expansion, illiteracy which plague the countries from which emigrants are running away. 1 1 1 1
jippytum Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 Politicians world wide are ignoring the fact that hoads of illegals are committing sexual and other crimes. Politicians and others are demonised by main stream media for stating the truth in public. In the UK young Muslim immigrant males are frequent offenders. 1 1
Popular Post JonnyF Posted November 28, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 28, 2024 She's right of course. Well done for speaking up. You only have to look at the treatment of women in the cultures they come from. They are not suddenly going to adopt new belief systems after a week in a hostel in Milan. 2 3 1 5
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted November 28, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 28, 2024 4 hours ago, Social Media said: citing official data from the Ministry of the Interior that attributes over 80% of femicides in Italy to Italian citizens. Yeah, but if that is true 'foreigners' are committing more femicides per head count than Italians supporting her argument about immigrants 4
stevenl Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 22 minutes ago, jippytum said: Politicians world wide are ignoring the fact that hoads of illegals are committing sexual and other crimes. Politicians and others are demonised by main stream media for stating the truth in public. In the UK young Muslim immigrant males are frequent offenders. 19 minutes ago, JonnyF said: She's right of course. Well done for speaking up. You only have to look at the treatment of women in the cultures they come from. They are not suddenly going to adopt new belief systems after a week in a hostel in Milan. No facts. Your opinions should be easy to prove.
Popular Post JonnyF Posted November 28, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 28, 2024 9 minutes ago, stevenl said: No facts. Your opinions should be easy to prove. How can we present facts when the government essentially covers it up by refusing to release the figures? Can't imagine why they would do that? 😆 Yeah, a real mystery that one... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/14/immigration-crime-cover-up-civil-service/ However independent research confirms the idea that immigrant crime is around double that of indigenous people. https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail-eu-nations-tell It's a real mystery why our European economies aren't absolutely booming with all these doctors, nurses and engineers gracing us with their presence. 1 2 1 3
newbee2022 Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 3 hours ago, stevenl said: Should be easy to determine whether the claims are true or not. It's not true what she said. There is no evidence, not in any EU country. 1 1
candide Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 The reality is a bit more complex.. "According to Istat, Italy's national statistics agency, the country saw 334 murders in 2023, up 3.7% from the year before. Of the victims, 117 were women and 217 were men, and it's the male victims who account for the overall increase — a 10.7% rise since 2022, compared to a 7.1% decrease in female victims. Around 94.3% of the Italian women killed that year were victims of fellow Italians, according to the agency, and 43.8% of foreign women killed in Italy were victims of someone of the same nationality. The number of women killed by a partner or ex-partner stood at 63." https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/11/25/fact-check-is-illegal-immigration-to-blame-for-rising-sexual-violence-in-italy 2
RayC Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I had hopes that Meloni would actually do what she said before the election. Unfortunately she turned out to be another empty paper bag politician that promises the world to get elected and then abandons everything they promised once in the big chair. Meloni heads a coalition government. It's unlikely that she has free rein to implement all the policies she wants to. 1
Donga Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 Perhaps Trump will insist that some folk at the soon to be revamped Dept of Justice, seek data and publish what is becoming anecdotally apparent from numerous media reports in Europe and I expect replicated to some degree in the USA. What do you expect of young men brainwashed by some clerics about sexuality, and the worth of women in society. It happens all over the world. However genital mutilation, forced marriages, female subjugation is notably more apparent in some Islamic societies e.g. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, as well as predominantly Hindu, India. I say some Islamic societies, as in my model Islamic countries of Indonesia and Bangladesh, women are treated with respect and have held high office positions for decades. So this is not an Islam beat up per se, but the issue should not be ignored. Here's a report from the UK on forced marriages... https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/forced-marriage-unit-statistics-2022/forced-marriage-unit-statistics-2022 I recognise sexual violence is committed by all races, but suggest it is higher in some ethnic/religious groups than others. 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 ‘Gender based violence’. There’s a clue in the name. 1 3
The Cyclist Posted November 28, 2024 Posted November 28, 2024 10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I had hopes that Meloni would actually do what she said before the election. Unfortunately she turned out to be another empty paper bag politician that promises the world to get elected and then abandons everything they promised once in the big chair. Well, it seems that she is doing what she said https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/italy-illegal-migration-drops-62-as-melonis-policies-take-effect/ Quote Starmer says that Italy has made remarkable progress on dealing with irregular migration in the Mediterranean. Regular arrivals are down 60%, he says, adding that he is pleased to see that cooperation between Italy and the UK is deepening on this front, including with intelligence and tactics being shared. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgddpq44qjt
thaibeachlovers Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 On 11/28/2024 at 1:55 PM, AndreasHG said: . No mention of the corruption, nepotism, violation of fundamental human rights, excessive demographic expansion, illiteracy which plague the countries from which emigrants are running away. Which is what the woke excel at- not saying why things happen. 2 1
thaibeachlovers Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 21 hours ago, The Cyclist said: Well, it seems that she is doing what she said https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/italy-illegal-migration-drops-62-as-melonis-policies-take-effect/ https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgddpq44qjt It should be down to zero. 1
arithai12 Posted November 29, 2024 Posted November 29, 2024 On 11/28/2024 at 3:04 AM, Social Media said: More Europe leader Riccardo Magi refuted the claims, citing official data from the Ministry of the Interior that attributes over 80% of femicides in Italy to Italian citizens. Proof that even idiots can lead a political party. Femicides are not the same as sexual violence crimes, and 20% by non-italians is still disproportionate.
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