Biden Administration Weighs Preemptive Pardons Amid Trump’s Return

[frank83628]

17 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Biden would be doing the right thing with preemptive pardons. Kash Patel intends to go after anyone considered an "enemy" of Trump, including media figures.

Good, I hope they are all held accountable.

[illisdean]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 Wheres his declassified documents, that the Doj confiscated during his last 

week in office

MAYBE the bigger question is where is the  Cross-fire hurricane documents binder that went missing after Trump declassified them on Dec 19, 2021, AND, which the FBI may have been desperately searching for during the FBI swat style raid at MAL in August 2022. One can and should expect Trumps outstanding nominee for FBI, Kash Patel to bring the corrupt actors in the Obama, Biden admins who conspired to overthrow a sitting government to justice and pay a heavy price, likely in fed super-max lockups. A necessary step to promote specific and very strong deterrence. The corrupt law breaking swamp players need to taught a good lesson, enter Kash Patel, their worst possible nightmare coming true.

[illisdean]

10 hours ago, theblether said:

 

Correct - you need to accept your are guilty before being pardoned. There are legal ramifications including the loss of the 5th Amendment right if you are pulled before a Congressional inquiry or Grand Jury. 

 

The notion of pardoning a "phantom" crime would almost certainly end up at the Supreme Court. Before that happens, Hunter would need to be charged with a felony that occurred with the pardon period. SCOTUS wouldn't take it on until 2026 at the earliest, we'd maybe see a verdict in June that year, otherwise 2027. 

 

Jack Smith is already being investigated for misconduct by the DOJ, it will be interesting to see if he is given a "phantom" pardon. 

Makes the case that some Biden pardon nominees may refuse to accept a "blanket" pardon, and probably should.

[illisdean]

9 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Kash Patel intends to go after anyone considered an "enemy" of Trump, including media figures.

If, and only if they committed criminal acts.....as Kash Patel has stated.

 

Would you not agree, rule of law needs to be front and foremost in any law makers agenda?  Or do you prefer Biden style "lawfare" where you prosecute your political rivals that you fear losing an election to?

[impulse]

26 minutes ago, transam said:

9 hours ago, TedG said:

Did you get your takes from Jimmy Kimmel?  LOL

No, I am not American, but I enjoy his show, tells it as it is.....😝

 

Jimmy Kimmel hasn't been entertaining since Girls on Trampolines.  That's when he peaked, and it's been downhill ever since.

 

He's good for a few jokes a month.  But not for every night.

 

[illisdean]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Congratulations, you get the thread’s Godwin award.

and you will be a recipient of the muppet award.....lol

[frank83628]

53 minutes ago, transam said:

And.........?       

So then he's not 'saying like it is' is he, its someone elses words.

Jimmy kimmel and Steven Colbert are just Democrat activist shows with some celebs thrown in. They rarely say anything against the left as the vast majority of media is left leaning and why all their ratings have plummeted.

[transam]

40 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Jimmy Kimmel hasn't been entertaining since Girls on Trampolines.  That's when he peaked, and it's been downhill ever since.

 

He's good for a few jokes a month.  But not for every night.

 

I think he is doing OK, at least he tells it how it is, and is usually spot on, not like a few Trump supporters here who dodge Trump's stuff.........🤭

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

I think he is doing OK, at least he tells it how it is, and is usually spot on, not like a few Trump supporters here who dodge Trump's stuff.........

 

Just because his opinion agrees with yours doesn't mean he's telling it how it is.  He's telling it how he sees it.  More accurately, how it best optimizes his numbers, given a lefty audience and lefty advertisers.

 

Like Rachel and Myka and Joy and... and...

 

[transam]

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Just because his opinion agrees with yours doesn't mean he's telling it how it is.  He's telling it how he sees it.  More accurately, how it best optimizes his numbers, given a lefty audience and lefty advertisers.

 

Like Rachel and Myka and Joy and... and...

 

Same as you then..........?  

[jas007]

The original article characterizes the proposed move as "unprecedented" for good reason.  It would be stupid and could eventually be ruled unconstitutional, I believe, given the circumstances.  Of course, there's some precedent and the courts have ruled that such power is basically unlimited. Still, the courts are political these days, so who knows? 

 

Perhaps Biden has some advisors that will set him straight.  The political fallout could be enormous. 

[riclag]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Seems like a few know they've done wrong and are panicking..

 

Schifty Schiff was a major part of the impeachment hoax, with his interpretation of the phone call. I look forward to them all being held accountable. Just hope it happens. 

 

I loved to see  schiff get caught doing something wrong ethically.Oh wait he did , he got censured!

Maybe it can get voted on again in the Senate ,after a inquiry!

 

 

“In rowdy scene, House censures Rep. Adam Schiff over Trump-Russia investigations”

 

https://apnews.com/article/schiff-censure-house-republicans-russia-trump-318300df0f7b4f51c5b0ba5dd91edd23

 

[riclag]

Theres a whole lot of people in the FBI

who chose surveillance  of Americans,

278,0000 of which 40,000 belonged in

Political campaigns!

 

Wrays goons need to be held accountable or as the left would 

say retribution must be taken in accordance with the law!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-misused-intelligence-database-278000-searches-court-says-2023-05-19/

[frank83628]

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

I loved to see  schiff get caught doing something wrong ethically.Oh wait he did , he got censured!

Maybe it can get voted on again in the Senate ,after a inquiry!

 

 

“In rowdy scene, House censures Rep. Adam Schiff over Trump-Russia investigations”

 

https://apnews.com/article/schiff-censure-house-republicans-russia-trump-318300df0f7b4f51c5b0ba5dd91edd23

 

The guy is a weasel.

 

Trump calling him pencil neck was great!

[transam]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Seems like a few know they've done wrong and are panicking..

 

Schifty Schiff was a major part of the impeachment hoax, with his interpretation of the phone call. I look forward to them all being held accountable. Just hope it happens. 

 

Who, your Putin...........

[theblether]

6 hours ago, illisdean said:

Makes the case that some Biden pardon nominees may refuse to accept a "blanket" pardon, and probably should.

 

Correct - these are untested legal waters and its an extraordinary move by Biden. In my opinion the Supreme Court would love to clarify this part of the Constitution. 

 

Tom Fitton, of Judicial Watch, has already said that pre-emptive pardons won't work. You can guarantee he will be all over this issue like a rash. 

[theblether]

Picture the situation. Adam Schiff, who led the impeachment against Trump, receives a blanket pardon dated to Jan 1 2016. 

 

By law, he then cannot use the 5th Amendment in front of Congressional inquiries or Grand Juries. He could refuse to testify to Congress. The last guy that did that was Steve Bannon, and how the Democrats celebrated when he was jailed for contempt. 

 

"Oh, what a tangled we weave, 

When first we practice to deceive."

 

The Democrats should be wary of outsmarting themselves. 

[impulse]

3 hours ago, theblether said:

Picture the situation. Adam Schiff, who led the impeachment against Trump, receives a blanket pardon dated to Jan 1 2016. 

 

By law, he then cannot use the 5th Amendment in front of Congressional inquiries or Grand Juries. He could refuse to testify to Congress. The last guy that did that was Steve Bannon, and how the Democrats celebrated when he was jailed for contempt. 

 

"Oh, what a tangled we weave, 

When first we practice to deceive."

 

The Democrats should be wary of outsmarting themselves. 

 

They'll use the ol' amnesia trick.  "I don't recall..."

 

[JonnyF]

Biden has taken US politics back decades with his Banana Republic tactics.

 

Lucky he doesn't have a legacy to ruin. 

 

Biden/Harris must be the worst combination to ever hold the top 2 positions. Dishonest disingenuous incompetent clowns the pair of them.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Why would anyone that had not committed a crime have to be pardoned? 

 

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear."

[riclag]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Biden has taken US politics back decades with his Banana Republic tactics.

 

Lucky he doesn't have a legacy to ruin. 

 

Biden/Harris must be the worst combination to ever hold the top 2 positions. Dishonest disingenuous incompetent clowns the pair of them.

 

 

Nancy looks ripe for treason charges especially after she admitted it was her responsibility to call in the National Guard.Throw in the J6 Committee head Bernie Thompson for consideration to conspire to withhold evidence.

“As Nancy Pelosi was being evacuated from the Capitol on January 6, 2021 she admitted that, as Speaker of the House, she was responsible for the security failures, and for not having the National Guard at the Capitol,” said Chairman Loudermilk.
https://cha.house.gov/2024/6/nancy-pelosi-contradicts-her-own-narrative-of-january-6-hbo-footage-shows

[candide]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

Nancy looks ripe for treason charges especially after she admitted it was her responsibility to call in the National Guard.Throw in the J6 Committee head Bernie Thompson for consideration to conspire to withhold evidence.

“As Nancy Pelosi was being evacuated from the Capitol on January 6, 2021 she admitted that, as Speaker of the House, she was responsible for the security failures, and for not having the National Guard at the Capitol,” said Chairman Loudermilk.
https://cha.house.gov/2024/6/nancy-pelosi-contradicts-her-own-narrative-of-january-6-hbo-footage-shows

Said Chairman Loudermilk! 🤣

[Walker88]

On 12/6/2024 at 3:40 AM, illisdean said:

I keep hearing rumblings that Trump will prosecute those involved with child / sex trafficking, be whomever they may be. Biden may start handing out pardons, going door to door like the mormons handing out bibles. Can expect he'll pardon his brother and maybe himself too.

You keep hearing these rumblings from your barstool? Maybe it's the alcohol talking?

 

Anyway, even if you're correct that there are rumblings, I really don't think Biden is going to pardon Matt Gaetz.

[Walker88]

Lots of fertile imaginations among the cult members, stating fantasies as fact, or maybe just "alternative facts".

 

Patel stated in his book and in interviews he would prosecute people who failed to believe the stolen election lie. Failing to believe a lie is not a crime, but Patel has stated he will go after former govt officials and media personalities.

 

Kind of smells lie Fascism. But the cult is okay with that, though they cried like babies when their messiah was indicted for stealing hundreds of classified documents, which IS a crime, or getting intimately involved in the fake elector scheme..

 

Maybe Patel will investigate the investigators of the investigators, which is kind of a second or third derivative. John Durham gave, inter alia, John Brennan a clean bill of health for the manner he handled the intel received from liaison and other sources related to 45's campaign cooperation with Russian intel assets, such as Konstantin Kilimnik.* (I know John set up a Bigot List as soon as the intel came in, hand carried it to the WH for Obama to read, and sent all of it to the FBI, the agency with the authority to investigate Americans. That is textbook handling of intel of that sort. Durham not only interviewed everyone on that Bigot List, he even interviewed agency personnel who had no knowledge of the intel. The agency came out 100% clean. Maybe Patel is unhappy about that and will now investigate Durham.

 

*(Recall that in his first week as Campaign Manager, Manafort traveled to Spain and met GRU asset Kilimnik and handed him detailed internal polling data, which Kilimnik passed to the GRU's Internet Research Agency in St Pete, who subsequently produced fake tales about HRC and other Dems and forwarded them to voters in swing States via Facebook and other social media feeds.

 

All of that was in the Republican-led SSCI 1000-page report on the Russia investigation.)

 

 

[darbie-foos]

On 12/6/2024 at 5:34 PM, Purdey said:

Facts have never been a strong suit of the incoming administration. 

kamala Harris "facts" were better, right..? especially the "facts" that Trump is hitler and a fascist. The most important fact now is who gets inaugurated on January 20 2025, and I, we, you ALL KNOW for a "fact" it ain't that "facted" based brainless anomaly kamala! Pity for you isn't it!

 

[illisdean]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

You keep hearing these rumblings from your barstool? Maybe it's the alcohol talking?

 

Anyway, even if you're correct that there are rumblings, I really don't think Biden is going to pardon Matt Gaetz.

He won't have to, FBI, DOJ already cleared him and closed the investigation. You GOT NOTHING, try to keep up. 

And FYI, a reminder for you who's getting inaugurated in 42 days. Lol...ha ha ha.U MUST be luvin it despite your butt-hurt. Need some Trump butt-hurt salve? Enjoy the nexr 4 years of MAGA Trump et al, that includes Elon another one of your sources of butt-hurt....

 

 

 

[illisdean]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

he will go after former govt officials and media personalities.

and so he should , if they ran afoul of the law and committed crimes. It's called rule of law. Try to keep up. Do you meed a free google search coupon to assist? They have a free lesson in using google search for dummies.

[illisdean]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Maybe Patel is unhappy about that and will now investigate Durham.

U seem so worried about Kash Patel, and you should be. He's insanely smart, loyal and determined to get rid of the deep state criminals and thats EXACTLY what he's going to do. You seem to have problem with enforcing the rule of law but seem unconcerned and have no problem with Biden's lawfare fiasco in trying to overthrow a sitting president and stop him from winning the election but failed which President Trump very capably and convincingly did. You can watch all your heros and idols pucker up when their names are tossed arond next year when President Trump delcassfys and releases Epstein and P diddy list. EPIC, nothing less. You will forever be a loser and failure hating Trump and loving your feckless losers like Kamala, stolen valor Tim and all the rest who can't hold a candle to Trump and  just got humiliated in a MAGA LANDSLIDE victory Nov 5th. How about that, you still have some sort of deranged fixation with Kash Patel, cuz if you do.... get used to it....He's light years ahead of those you hold in high esteem for your own deluded reasons and he will wreck the low life criminal element you so adore. Watch and see what the good guys do to the all the haters who tried to destroy Trump only to make hm 47th POTUS....how feckless and failed is that for your beloved deep state muppet brigade. Throw in team DOGE with two of the most clever problem solvers on the planet and its clear MAGA sailing. Just stay out of their way.

[illisdean]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

*(Recall that in his first week as Campaign Manager, Manafort traveled to Spain and met GRU asset Kilimnik and handed him detailed internal polling data, which Kilimnik passed to the GRU's Internet Research Agency in St Pete, who subsequently produced fake tales about HRC and other Dems and forwarded them to voters in swing States via Facebook and other social media feeds.

Here ya go....42 days from inauguration and Macron rolls out the red carpet for MAGA President Trump. now do Biden, where is he, preparing blanket pardons with anyone with the last name Biden or related to one. LOl

 

How you liking the start to Trumps ensuing and epic 4 years of upcoming super success's? Are you feeling it? You must, don't be timid, it's okay to admit it. Certainly you must be relieved the cackling coconut despite spending $1.5B and calling President Trump a fascist, a nazi, hitler non-stop 24/7 she FAILED miserably and got humiliated by President Trump. You must be "loving that" and the first thing you dwell on every single time you wake up.LOL. Ouch, how does it feel? Please share your feeling, we're so keen to hear your tales of woe and misery.

 

 

 

[illisdean]

6 hours ago, Walker88 said:

I really don't think Biden is going to pardon Matt Gaetz.

U got a thing for Gaetz, is it sexual perhaps? LOL.And, since you brought it up, what would he need a pardon for? Lay it all out here. FYI, Matt Gaetz will have a prominent roles as a special counsel, wait and see. You're going to love it.

 

In the meantime, focus on Trump, he's the boss now and is in charge of America, so get used to it. You can spend the next four years getting used to seeing Trump AND Kash Patel 24/7, nothing short of magic!