Massage Parlour Visits Turn Fatal: Singaporean Tourist and Thai Singer Die

[wombat]

5 hours ago, PopGun said:

I never allow the Masseuse to manipulate my Head or my Neck

ditto

[Will B Good]

The wife and I have a massage each time we visit BKK......I refuse point blank to suffer and only have a soothing oil rub down.....Thai massages are painful.

 

[twizzian]

I thought the neck/head twisting practice was already banned some years ago

[J Branche]

Girlfriend had to go through many months of training to receive her certificate.  She only gives the basic neck massage.  I know a franchise in the US and they made you fill out and sign a form with any injuries, any areas you don't want to be massaged.  Maybe a simple any injuries? Any areas you don't want massaged would be beneficial here.

[kiwikeith]

6 hours ago, PopGun said:

I, have had hundreds of traditional Thai massages.

I never allow the Masseuse to manipulate my Head or my Neck

Otherwise, I'm quite I'm prepared to relax and let her get on with her work.

If I want to have a 'fun' massage I will go for a 'soapy'.

No ,never let them manipulate your head or neck, I wont let the stand on my back either.

I look for girls with proper certification these days only found in reputable shops , otherwise your getting a girl trained by a friend for a few days.

[bkk6060]

They mostly suck and are untrained and unprofessional.

I gave up body massages due to pain created.  Recently during a foot massage, lady pulled my foot and strained my achilles.  Sickening, she thought it was funny.

[Patong2021]

The reputable  massage shops do not do the neck manipulations. The staff at the good shops always ask before they start  how hard you want it.    One of the benefits of Hua Hin is that the clientele is mostly age 60+ and the staff behave accordingly, so the likelihood of getting a James Bond killer session is remote.

 

 

[ericbj]

 

Have had Thai massage a number of times over the years, none recently, without incident.

 

Once, maybe 15 years ago, when visiting a hospital about poor circulation in the legs, I asked the doctor if massage might help.
His answer "No!" and then "Not Thai massage."

 

If there is pain that could be linked to a displaced bone, from whatever cause, consider seeing a qualified chiropractor.  There are few in Thailand but they do exist.

 

Years ago when staying with friends near Chiang Mai, I awoke with an acute pain in the back of the neck.  I could not turn my head.  Could not rise from the bed; had to roll off it.  Had a piercing headache.
An English chiropractor at the Rajavej hospital found a small bone out of place, and pushed it back.  Total and instant cure

!

 

[Confuscious]

8 hours ago, Confuscious said:

I take "Blood thinners" since my stroke in 1995 and I have been warned by my doctor never to go to a massage shop in Thailand. IIf  if I want a massage", leave it to qualified people at the hospital.
Massage can lose blood clonters in the veins which are carried to the brain and can cause a stroke.

https://www.painscience.com/blog/6-tales-of-blood-clots-dangerously-dislodged-by-massage.html

[simonok]

Sudden death is common these days, can happen anywhere.

[jingjai9]

Does anyone have any information where in Udon this so called bad massage took place? It would be a public service if we knew. 

[redwood1]

Only one thing to do now.....Ban all massages.....And put anyone who gets or gives a massage in jail.....Anyone who gives a massage should be charged with attempted murder....

 

Yes folks I can almost see the future headlines now....Even though 99.9999999999% of people dont die from massages......Ban them all......

 

[DonniePeverley]

I've had the suprise snap a few times. Shocking. This is not chirocpactory that takes years of training to master. 

 

Sometimes when you are getting a Thai massage, they can get lazy, use elbows and start pressing on your bones on your back - which you are meant to avoid.

 

Some major amateurs out there. 

 

Best thing is to just get a gentle massage, and remind them you want no manipulation. 

[ericbj]

5 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Only one thing to do now.....Ban all massages.....And put anyone who gets or gives a massage in jail.....Anyone who gives a massage should be charged with attempted murder....

 

Yes folks I can almost see the future headlines now....Even though 99.9999999999% of people dont die from massages......Ban them all......

 

 

If you are going to ban massage on the grounds of a few deaths, whose exact cause has not yet been elucidated, then it is more urgent to lock up doctors.

 

Iatrogenic disease is said to be the third leading cause of death.  At least in the U.S.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK225187/

 

Nothing new as far as I am concerned, having read Ivan Illich's 'Medical Nemesis' more than half a century ago.

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1122871/

 

Why do certain sorts of information take so many years to reach a broader audience?

 

[geisha]

That’s why I have only oil massage, and I warn them before hand to go easy.

[kwaussie]

Had a foot massage recently and at the end while massaging arm she broke the skin and blood everywhere as on blood thinners. 

[Dogmatix]

Never knew Thai massage could be used as a form of execution or assisted suicide.  I don't suppose Mr Tuck or Ms Chanida did either.

[PopGun]

On 12/9/2024 at 3:06 AM, Enzian said:

Another thing they do is put their hands at your lower groin on the sides of your junk and then lean in and hold pressure. I usually have to tell them to do soft, or just move on. I've heard that some do this because when they release the pressure there is a rush of blood which may incline you more to paying for a happy ending upsell. But many overdo it, and for an old bod it can be painful and dangerous.

If I sense a neck crack is coming, I try to be ready with a big NO.

That pressure on the Femoral arteries, is supposed to help your circulation.

I found that it actually increased my anxiety.🥴

[Sig]

On 12/8/2024 at 5:42 PM, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said:

You will have to be stupid if you have a neck or back problem and think a rub and tug massage shop can fix you. Get x-rays and proper physiotherapy from a properly trained therapist. How dumb are people?

There are proper therapeutic Traditional Thai masseuses out there. You just need to know what certification you are looking for and how to look. Not likely to find on Patpong, Soi Cowboy, etc... It might be possible, with some luck to find one in a tourist area, but better to check with a hospital or with the Department for Development of Thai Traditional and Alternative Medicine, under the Ministry of Public Health.

[snoop1130]

Thai masseuse pleads for justice amid singer’s tragic death

By Bob Scott

 

Photo via ThaiRath

 

The seasoned Thai masseuse entangled in a whirlpool of controversy following the untimely death of luk thung singer Chayada “Phing” Praohom in the heart of Udon Thani, appealed for justice.

 

The 20 year old Thai singer tragically succumbed two months after a controversial neck-twisting procedure. While an autopsy has cleared the massage of blame, questions and suspicions still linger.

 

Chayada, affectionately known to her fans as “Phing Chayada,” was just 20 when she first sought relief for her stiff neck in early October, reportedly visiting the parlour three times.

 

The masseuse, known only as Aoy, who has been practising for years with a legitimate licence, was staggered to learn of Chayada’s death and her link to it.

 

“I was so shocked when I heard that I was that masseuse. I am asking for fairness and am ready to prove the truth.”

 

The massage parlour boasts seven certified therapists, each having diligently completed the necessary 150-hour training. According to Dr Somchaichot Piyawatwela from Udon Thani’s public health office, the young singer succumbed to sepsis and a fungal infection, with no direct connection between the massage and her tragic end.

 

 

Backing this, Public Health Minister Somsak Thepsutin pointed to MRI results negating any cervical issues.

 

“Modern medical technology shows no link between the massage and her condition.”

 

Media reports chart a harrowing timeline for Chayada, starting with neck pains after her October 5 visit to the massage parlour, and culminating in severe weakness and her admission to the ICU by November 22. Her battle ended on December 8, when she was overtaken by septic shock.

 

Minister Somsak insists on maintaining credibility in Thai traditional medicine and massage through rigorous quality control. Meanwhile, a family insider reveals that Chayada’s mother still harbours doubts about the neck manipulation’s role but has chosen not to pursue another autopsy.

 

As this story unfolds, the quest for truth and justice continues, underlining the importance of transparency and fairness for all involved.

 

Chayada’s cremation is scheduled for tomorrow, December 12.

 

Source: The Thaiger

-- 2024-12-11

 

 

[bristolgeoff]

I talk to my lady friend in udon about this,made the papers and she  was amused too a bit.Then she said do u want a massage to now