Ireland’s Move at the ICJ Redefining The Meaning of Genocide to get a Conviction

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well said.

 

Here's a response from the experts.

 

FDD Expert Response
“Israel is clearly not committing the crime of genocide, as defined by the 1948 genocide treaty. So now, both Ireland and Amnesty are seeking to create a new, bogus definition of genocide in order to find Israel guilty of it. In doing so, Ireland and Amnesty are proving that they are motivated by hatred of the Jewish state rather than by allegiance to the rule of law. They are also making a mockery of international law, the ICJ, the genocide treaty, and the victims of actual genocides.” — Orde Kittrie, Senior Fellow

In the mean time, more and more countries and organisations are speaking out against the Israeli atrocities.

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, stevenl said:

In the mean time, more and more countries and organisations are speaking out against the Israeli atrocities.

Are they trying to make a mockery of international laws the same as Ireland, the subject of this topic? Perhaps you should read the latest expose on the fake death figures promoted by Hamas in todays other topic. Oh no, you won't do that as it disagrees with Hamas.

 

Another fine example @stevenl of when you have nothing to add to the topic just deflect and return to your characteristic Israel hate with unsubstantiated off topic inflammatory claims of atrocities by Israel. 

[Evil Penevil]

If I were an Irish Jew, I'd be getting nervous now.  Changing laws to make it easier to prosecute Jews is how the Holocaust started in Germany when the Nazis took power in 1933.  One of the first steps the Nazis took was to change laws to the detriment of Jews. This helped "normalize" the persecution of Jews.  

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A very small number of Jews live  in Ireland, which makes their situation all the more perilous.  An estimated 2,500 to 2,600 Jews reside in the Republic of Ireland, but less tan 800 are Irish citizens, according Wikipedia.   The others are employees of multinational companies, digital nomads, exchange students and spouses of Irish citizens.   As the Irish Republic has 5.35 million residents, only 0.05% are Jewish      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland

 

The Israeli government  has reacted strongly to its Irish counterpart's constant siding with those who seek to destroy Israel.

In response to the antisemitic policies of the Irish government, Israel is closing its embassy in Dublin.  

Israel’s Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar announced the closure of the country’s embassy in Ireland on Sunday, accusing Ireland of “extreme anti-Israel policies.”

“The actions and antisemitic rhetoric used by Ireland against Israel are rooted in the delegitimization and demonization of the Jewish state, along with double standards. Ireland has crossed every red line in its relations with Israel,” Sa’ar said, according to a foreign ministry statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-closes-embassy-in-ireland-blaming-extreme-anti-israel-policies/ar-AA1vTTE7

 

Meanwhile, there have been attacks on individual Jews,  The young man in the story below was an exchange student from the U.S. who was weaing a Star of David pendant.

 

Jewish student attacked in Dublin nightclub in suspected hate crime amid fears of rising anti-Semitism

Victim (23) says he was asked ‘are you Jewish?’ before being assaulted by three men

A Jewish student suffered a concussion after he was attacked by three men in a Dublin nightclub in a suspected anti-Semitic assault.

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/11/30/jewish-student-attacked-in-dublin-nightclub-in-suspected-hate-crime-amid-fears-of-rising-anti-semitism/

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Jews with Irish passports began to decide Israel would be a better place for them to live.

[paddypower]

17 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly its within its right. 

 

"Ireland's antisemitic actions and rhetoric against Israel are based on delegitimization and demonization of the Jewish state and on double standards," he continued. "Ireland crossed all the red lines to speak to Israel. Israel will invest its resources in promoting bilateral relations with the countries of the world according to priorities that are also derived from the attitude of the various countries towards it."

 

I note you keep making a reference to well done Ireland. Strange as I you can see Hamas are also very pleased. After all, attempting to change the legal definition on a charge when its midway through a trial is every terrorists dream. They forgot its the ICJ that defines an already defined charge, not at hoc countries that want decide to join. But I suggest you read the OP its all been covered already.

when will you wake up to the sentiments on which the Irish position is based - the criminality of the deliberate killing of civilians in war  Hamas fits that definition for sure. Why should Isreal get a free pass? Isreal military bombs the jejasus out of women and children. ( conservative estimates put the numbers killed, in Gaza,, by the Isreali military in the past 12 months at more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children). if that does not float your boat, the concept of bombing a civilian population into eternity, (a significant % of whom do not support Hamas) in order to get revenge on the Hamas army of, what 15,000 - 20,000 should do so. It strikes me as inhumane. then again the popular terms for Arabs used by Isreal are  ''dogs and subhumans. for transparency I'm Irish born and proud of what my country stands up for - the dispossessed. 

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, paddypower said:

when will you wake up to the sentiments on which the Irish position is based - the criminality of the deliberate killing of civilians in war  Hamas fits that definition for sure. Why should Isreal get a free pass? Isreal military bombs the jejasus out of women and children. ( conservative estimates put the numbers killed, in Gaza,, by the Isreali military in the past 12 months at more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children). if that does not float your boat, the concept of bombing a civilian population into eternity, (a significant % of whom do not support Hamas) in order to get revenge on the Hamas army of, what 15,000 - 20,000 should do so. It strikes me as inhumane. then again the popular terms for Arabs used by Isreal are  ''dogs and subhumans. for transparency I'm Irish born and proud of what my country stands up for - the dispossessed. 

Yea right paddy, an Irish rant full of unsubstantiated claims. Have another guinness 

[Nick Carter icp]

37 minutes ago, paddypower said:

when will you wake up to the sentiments on which the Irish position is based - the criminality of the deliberate killing of civilians in war  Hamas fits that definition for sure. Why should Isreal get a free pass? Isreal military bombs the jejasus out of women and children. ( conservative estimates put the numbers killed, in Gaza,, by the Isreali military in the past 12 months at more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children). if that does not float your boat, the concept of bombing a civilian population into eternity, (a significant % of whom do not support Hamas) in order to get revenge on the Hamas army of, what 15,000 - 20,000 should do so. It strikes me as inhumane. then again the popular terms for Arabs used by Isreal are  ''dogs and subhumans. for transparency I'm Irish born and proud of what my country stands up for - the dispossessed. 

 

   What aren't you standing up for the 100's of people being held hostage for over  year now ?

   They include Woman and Children .

Why arent Ireland demanding the hostages be released ?

Why are Ireland standing shoulder to shoulder with the hostage takers ? Why are Ireland standing together with people who use Woman and Children as Human shields and who take Woman and Children hostages ?

   Why does Ireland want Israel prosecuted for trying to free the hostages ?

[pacovl46]

On 12/14/2024 at 3:45 PM, Bkk Brian said:

What one in Gaza? Can you provide a link to this Genocide in Gaza going on for the last 10 years? 

If you want the answer to that you can simply ask any human rights organization! 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

If you want the answer to that you can simply ask any human rights organization! 

They didn't make that claim. You did, quite good at spreading lies aren't you 

[pacovl46]

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They didn't make that claim. You did, quite good at spreading lies aren't you 

😂😂😂😂 riiiiiiiiiiight. You got me there, Sherlock! If you don't understand that starving a population with heavy sanctions to the point where it's a humanitarian crisis is a form of genocide then I can't help you! 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

😂😂😂😂 riiiiiiiiiiight. You got me there, Sherlock! If you don't understand that starving a population with heavy sanctions to the point where it's a humanitarian crisis is a form of genocide then I can't help you! 

Your claim:  Genocide in Gaza going on for the last 10 years

 

No link of course because its lies, you got yourself, hook line and sinker

 

 

[Keep Right]

Nothing said about the IRA killings of innocent citizens in the past?

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are they trying to make a mockery of international laws the same as Ireland, the subject of this topic? Perhaps you should read the latest expose on the fake death figures promoted by Hamas in todays other topic. Oh no, you won't do that as it disagrees with Hamas.

 

Another fine example @stevenl of when you have nothing to add to the topic just deflect and return to your characteristic Israel hate with unsubstantiated off topic inflammatory claims of atrocities by Israel. 

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

[Bkk Brian]

35 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

Yes Israel hate, your numerous posts evidencing it & more evidence of your Hamas apologist rhetoric on the numbers, its not about Hamas being unreliable, its about Hamas deliberately manipulating the numbers. Lying in other words. There is NO moral equivalence between Idf and Hamas in credibility or actions.  

 

Why don't you go to the topic so we can discuss? Of course I doubt you will because it goes against the Hamas narrative and lies. Providing clear evidence of how they manipulate the numbers. Not pretty for Hamas apologists.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

52 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

 

    Israel gives their numbers in good faith , Hamas just make the numbers up and exaggerate the numbers .

   What Israeli actions do you like ?

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

 Your comment reminds of two lines from the 1960's protest song For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield:

"There's battle lines being drawn

  And nobody's right if everybody's wrong."   

 

What's necessary is to decide which side has the more reliable figures.  I find it hard to believe anyone would put much faith in anything  Hamas, a designated terrorist group, says.  Hamas' goal is to destroy Israel and its statement of principles is the definition of antisemitism.

 

 

[coolcarer]

14 hours ago, stevenl said:

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

Hey Steven, keep it up. Making equal comparisons to murderous, raping terrorists who continue to hold innocent hostages, well those they’ve not executed yet and the IDF. Shame on you. Really.

[paddypower]

16 hours ago, Keep Right said:

Nothing said about the IRA killings of innocent citizens in the past?

off topic. But, if you want to resurrect Sunday Bloody Sunday , or Zombie (the IRA bombings in England). you might want to read the smpathies which motivated Bono & Dolores O'  Riordan, to write those songs. They are/were completely against civilians being killed in war as are most in the Republic of Irish. except for the racist comments by people like Yagoda (who is obviously from the North, which is British) . 

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, paddypower said:

off topic. But, if you want to resurrect Sunday Bloody Sunday , or Zombie (the IRA bombings in England). you might want to read the smpathies which motivated Bono & Dolores O'  Riordan, to write those songs. They are/were completely against civilians being killed in war as are most in the Republic of Irish. except for the racist comments by people like Yagoda (who is obviously from the North, which is British) . 

What racist comment did I make?

 

Im American. Your little war with the Brits is just another example of the hate and fighting that Europeans specialize in.

[Captain Flack]

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[Social Media]

Post making numerous, off topic unattributed and false claims removed @paddypower

 

The topic here is 

 

Ireland’s Move at the ICJ Redefining The Meaning of Genocide to get a Conviction

[Bkk Brian]

Israel’s ambassador to Ireland or ex ambassador is probably more accurate statement.

 

Israel’s decision to close its embassy in Dublin was not taken lightly but follows an accumulation of anti-Israel initiatives & rhetoric by Ireland, including:

Ireland’s unconditional recognition of a Palestinian state which was welcomed by Hamas; its attempt to redefine ‘Genocide’ to support the unfounded allegations against Israel in the ICJ; its support for politically motivated cases against Israeli leaders at the ICC; its actions to promote anti-Israel measures within the EU and intentions to promote domestic legislation that discriminates against Israel.

In addition we have seen concerns about the increasing atmosphere of hostility toward Israelis, Zionism, & in some cases the Jewish community being dismissed rather than addressed.

While we do not believe the majority of Irish people are comfortable with this anti-Israeli atmosphere, the current discourse in Ireland, regrettably, does not appear to allow space for a wider variety of views and voices.

Link to the interview on @PatKennyNT in the first comment

 

https://x.com/DanaErlich/status/1869125796050124861

[Chomper Higgot]

The closure of Israel’s Dublin Embassy is regrettable but naturally there is a ready market for such a prime property in that fine city:

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/12/16/palestinian-museum-founder-inquires-about-leasing-site-of-closed-israeli-embassy-in-dublin/#:~:text=Following Israel's decision to,its doors in April 2018.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The closure of Israel’s Dublin Embassy is regrettable but naturally there is a ready market for such a prime property in that fine city:

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/12/16/palestinian-museum-founder-inquires-about-leasing-site-of-closed-israeli-embassy-in-dublin/#:~:text=Following Israel's decision to,its doors in April 2018.

Your take is not the take of the article which slurs Israel, how misleading and dishonest of you. There has also been no indication of Israel selling or leasing it. 

 

Palestinian American businessman Faisel Saleh, who founded the museum, said turning the former Israeli embassy into a Palestinian museum would be “a political statement”.

 

Responding to the news of the embassy closing in Ireland, Mr Saleh said: “Good riddance. Who wants to have the presence of a genocidal state in their country?

 

Disgusting unsubstantiated statement from the Palestinian.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The closure of Israel’s Dublin Embassy is regrettable but naturally there is a ready market for such a prime property in that fine city:

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/12/16/palestinian-museum-founder-inquires-about-leasing-site-of-closed-israeli-embassy-in-dublin/#:~:text=Following Israel's decision to,its doors in April 2018.

 

   Just an enquiry ,  a publicity stunt , fake claims , just like quite a lot of claims coming from the Palestine camp .

   Just another attempt to get a win against Israel .

Enjoy the temporary victory  , because it won't actually happen , celebrate winning nothing .

   (Must be used to that being Tottenham)

[Bkk Brian]

Triggered by the closure so comes up with lies

 

‘Antisemitic liar’: FM blasts Irish president’s claim Israel wants to settle Egypt

Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar called Ireland’s President Michael Higgins an “antisemitic liar” on Tuesday, not long after Israel announced the shuttering of its embassy in Dublin, citing “anti-Israel” policy.

Sa’ar’s comments came after Higgins accused Israel of breaching Lebanon’s and Syria’s sovereignty and charged, without evidence, that Jerusalem was seeking to establish settlements in Egypt.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/antisemitic-liar-fm-blasts-irish-presidents-claim-israel-wants-to-settle-egypt/

 

This is the biggest straw man argument and everyone should shoot it down immediately for being deeply dishonest. The government of Ireland is not just criticizing the policies of the Netanyahu government – and it’s a really cheap trick to pretend that this is what’s happening.

 

 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Triggered by the closure so comes up with lies

 

‘Antisemitic liar’: FM blasts Irish president’s claim Israel wants to settle Egypt

Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar called Ireland’s President Michael Higgins an “antisemitic liar” on Tuesday, not long after Israel announced the shuttering of its embassy in Dublin, citing “anti-Israel” policy.

Sa’ar’s comments came after Higgins accused Israel of breaching Lebanon’s and Syria’s sovereignty and charged, without evidence, that Jerusalem was seeking to establish settlements in Egypt.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/antisemitic-liar-fm-blasts-irish-presidents-claim-israel-wants-to-settle-egypt/

 

This is the biggest straw man argument and everyone should shoot it down immediately for being deeply dishonest. The government of Ireland is not just criticizing the policies of the Netanyahu government – and it’s a really cheap trick to pretend that this is what’s happening.

 

 

Yes, that's the way Israel operates. Disagree with Israeli actions and get called anti-Semitic. There's even a thread about it.

[Bkk Brian]

37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, that's the way Israel operates. Disagree with Israeli actions and get called anti-Semitic. There's even a thread about it.

There's even a thread about it.

 

Oh that's ok then................lol

 

Did you read or listen to the lies the Irish President stated? Or do you agree with them?

 

Sounds more like your usual Israel hate that you keep exposing to me. Sad that you defend lies against Israel.

[Bkk Brian]

Looks to me like he has leprechaun inbred in him........lol

 

The truth about Ireland’s hatred for Israel

Is there a politician more sanctimonious, more smug, than Ireland’s president, Michael D Higgins? His pompous scolding of Israel this week after it had the temerity to call out the anti-Israel animus of the Irish elites was a truly unedifying spectacle of false virtue and cant. Shaking with fury, every word bitterly spat out, he said it is a ‘gross defamation and slander’ to ‘brand a people’ anti-Semitic just because they ‘criticise Benjamin Netanyahu’. He seemed to be in the grip of a paroxysm of pique. I’ve never seen him quake and froth like this over anything else: not poverty, not homelessness, not war. Well, unless it’s a war being fought by Israel.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/12/18/the-truth-about-irelands-hatred-for-israel/

 

 

[stevenl]

13 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

There's even a thread about it.

 

Oh that's ok then................lol

 

Did you read or listen to the lies the Irish President stated? Or do you agree with them?

 

Sounds more like your usual Israel hate that you keep exposing to me. Sad that you defend lies against Israel.

Says a lot about your perception that you label criticism of Israel as Israel hate.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, stevenl said:

Says a lot about your perception that you label criticism of Israel as Israel hate.

My observations of your posts are based on their content. Israel hate