Trump’s big fat abject lie …and why he keeps telling it.

[mokwit]

9 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

As a medical doctor I am

What's your speciality? I am surprised by your lack of clear writing. To be a Doctor you have to be pretty good at writing essays to get into Med School.

 

'You could be Kennedy's assistant or at least Janitor.'

I assume this is meant to be derogatory

 

'What you write is without any lack of knowledge. But how could you? You're not a doctor.'

What do you mean 'without any lack of knowlege'

This sentence effectively contradicts itself so i can't be sure what you mean.

 

If you are saying I have no knowledge, go ahead and point out where I am wrong.

 

[Jim Blue]

Only the Polio vaccination was tested and effective.?Since in the mid 1950's when I got mine, the computers which existed were the size of a large bus are you sure about that?  Na give me a modern vaccination any day in comparison.

[mokwit]

14 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Only the Polio vaccination was tested and effective.?Since in the mid 1950's when I got mine, the computers which existed were the size of a large bus are you sure about that?  Na give me a modern vaccination any day in comparison.

If that was directed at me, I am not saying only the polio vaccine was tested and effective, i don't know how you are able to to assume that is what I meant from from what I wrote.

 

The point i am making is that a vaccination is something that is given to stimulate immunity to a pathogen in advance. Polio vaccine is given as a preventative vaccine to give immunity, but is an exception in that Polio vaccine is also given post infection to hopefully halt the spread within the body and can be effective due to the way polio spreads. As someone has pointed out, Rabies vaccine is given post (assumed) innfection but there is a very narrow window and you are effectively immunising before the rabies virus has spread, again, the way Rabies spreads in the body makes this a viable treatment.

 

With Covid we went from being told that it would prevent infection to being told symptoms would be milder.

 

[newbee2022]

27 minutes ago, mokwit said:

you have to

You're not in any position to tell me what I "have to do".

 

[mokwit]

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You're not in any position to tell me what I "have to do".

 

This is what I wrote:

 

'To be a Doctor you have to be pretty good at writing essays to get into Med School. '

 

You clip out 3 words. OK, evasive action when challenged. bye by Mr "Doctor".  As you clearly don't know what you are talking about I suggest you refrain from commenting on my posts.

 

You are about as medically qualified as the guys on the dinghy's crossing the channel.

 

It is all to common here that people comment on posts without having read and understood them, or without the knowledge to do so.

[impulse]

14 hours ago, Dan O said:

Your comment is very inaccurate actually and shows your did no research on the topic.  Here's a bit of facts for you and does not include china's use of management vaccines 

 

1. Phase 1 Trials: These initial trials focused on safety and dosage, involving a small number of healthy volunteers.

2. Phase 2 Trials: These expanded the study to more participants to further assess safety and start to evaluate effectiveness.

3. Phase 3 Trials: These were large-scale trials involving tens of thousands of participants to confirm efficacy and monitor for adverse effects.

For example, the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines each conducted Phase 3 trials with about 44,000 participants before receiving emergency use authorization and later full approval in Dec 2020 1.

 

The gist of that article (and the narrative) is that mRNA's have been around since the '70s and have been thoroughly understood and tested before Covid came along.  That's misleading, if not patently false.

 

The Phase 3 clinical trial was designed to determine if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19 disease. This trial began July 27, 2020 and completed enrollment of 46,331 participants in January 2021.

 

About Our Landmark Trial | Pfizer 

 

It will be years before we understand the long term side effects of the mRNA genetic experiments.  Which is another misleading narrative.  The "vaccines" aren't vaccines in the traditional definition.  They are genetic experiments.   They changed the definition.

 

[newbee2022]

14 minutes ago, mokwit said:

This is what I wrote:

 

'To be a Doctor you have to be pretty good at writing essays to get into Med School. '

 

You clip out 3 words. OK, evasive action when challenged. bye by Mr "Doctor".  As you clearly don't know what you are talking about I suggest you refrain from commenting on my posts.

 

You are about as medically qualified as the guys on the dinghy's crossing the channel.

 

It is all to common here that people comment on posts without having read and understood them, or without the knowledge to do so.

Well, insults are your daily work. Go on if you like. I'll block you.

[Dan O]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

There are other countries than Thailand. You know that right?

I traveled to a number if countries and had no problems, not to say some had that requirement and rightly so unde the circumstances. If you pick to travel to any country its up to you to meet their requirements for disease control. There have always been those requirements and it didn't start with covid. If you were or are against any type of vaccine then you decide if its worth it to you but no one forces you. You can decide not to go 

[Dan O]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Did you know that COVID-jabs are STILL required when applying for a Visa to visit the US? 

And that - besides the perks, help and support you receive - it is NOT required when entering the US illegally. 

Just like any number of countries worldwide have had diseases control requirements and still do. You pick and choose were to go and if you dont like the requirement dont go.

 

Your comment about illegals is fairly ridiculous. 

[bubblegum]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:46 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Those of us that follow independent sources

You mean sources that spread conspiracy theories yes?

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, rumak said:

 

oh boy .............

If you are that concerned about the impact of ANY vaccine then you can make a choice to stay at that job or leave.  You are not a prisoner. 

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

I'm surprised you didn't fit in convicted felon and weird into that frothy rant. 

 

Maybe get a vaccine. 

It wasn't a rant it was a fact. But can add those too as they weren't on the ballot as a choice, were they??

 

To make a claim the 76 million voted for him because they don't believe he's a serial liar is an asinine assumption. 

[Dan O]

48 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

The gist of that article (and the narrative) is that mRNA's have been around since the '70s and have been thoroughly understood and tested before Covid came along.  That's misleading, if not patently false.

 

The Phase 3 clinical trial was designed to determine if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19 disease. This trial began July 27, 2020 and completed enrollment of 46,331 participants in January 2021.

 

About Our Landmark Trial | Pfizer 

 

It will be years before we understand the long term side effects of the mRNA genetic experiments.  Which is another misleading narrative.  The "vaccines" aren't vaccines in the traditional definition.  They are genetic experiments.   They changed the definition.

 

MRNA technology has been around since the 70's and used in research for a variety of studies in various ways. It was not successful in carrying the "instruction" component consistently until much later. So the basic technology itself was well known. I worked in the industry from 1982 until 2007 as a Regulatory Compliance Agent and know for a fact it was.

 

As an aside i am not claiming I agree with the handling  of the vaccine trials and in hindsight many things can be pointed out that could and should have been done differently. Given the nature of the situation and the original lethality of the virus, decisions had to be made with the only available information, not what anyone knows today or any of the conspiracy theories that are floating around

[Dan O]

18 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Exactly right!

Anyone tired of hearing "the vaccines saved 20 million lives" fairy-tale?  

 

Quote > "UK's Imperial College has produced a new fantasy number to test people’s gullibility. This time they are claiming that 19.8 million lives have been saved by vaccination.

Imperial College now have a global reputation for making provable wrong claims based on modelling and they appear to want to bolster that reputation. Previous harm caused by Imperial include Neil Ferguson’s models in 2001 that led to the culling of 6 million cattle and sheep allegedly to prevent spread of foot and mouth disease which cost the UK economy £10bn. Subsequent predictions have included 50,000-150,000 deaths in humans in 2002 due to CJD because of the BSE outbreak (there were 177 deaths), 200 million deaths from bird flu in 2005 worldwide (there were 78); 65,000 deaths from Swine flu in UK in 2009 (there were 457)."

 

Source: https://www.hartgroup.org/imperial-fantasy-of-20-million-lives-saved

There are a number of other scientific studies that carry valid information so to quote a known invalid article is not responsible and removes any credibility for your post

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

What's your speciality? I am surprised by your lack of clear writing. To be a Doctor you have to be pretty good at writing essays to get into Med School.

 

'You could be Kennedy's assistant or at least Janitor.'

I assume this is meant to be derogatory

 

'What you write is without any lack of knowledge. But how could you? You're not a doctor.'

What do you mean 'without any lack of knowlege'

This sentence effectively contradicts itself so i can't be sure what you mean.

 

If you are saying I have no knowledge, go ahead and point out where I am wrong.

 

I don't know how many days/weeks/ months you were attending "immunology" lessons. According to your lack of knowledge you should change your name to

HALFWIT 

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

There are a number of other scientific studies that carry valid information so to quote a known invalid article is not responsible and removes any credibility for your post

Agree, but conspiracy groups are still alive.

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

You could be Kennedy's assistant or at least Janitor.

What you write is without any lack of knowledge. But how could you? You're not a doctor.

 

But then neither is that Stillwagon grifter.

Not a medical doctor.

He has a degree in practical Phrenology.

 

Any real doctor would not make this misteak.

 

 

Edit to correct name spelling.

Do not want to impugn honour of the Stillwater family.

[Dan O]

4 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Agree, but conspiracy groups are still alive.

Yes and they will always continue no matter how much valid information is available. Its really tragic because some of the decisions that people need to make surrounding any medical application is hard enough with valid info and if you throw is the bs it becomes unmanageable for many to make a good decision 

[mokwit]

14 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I don't know how many days/weeks/ months you were attending "immunology" lessons. According to your lack of knowledge you should change your name to

HALFWIT 

Well, why not point out where I am lacking knowledge, Doctor? 🤣

[Presnock]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

76 million Americans disagree.

well I thibnk most of those probably voted AGAINST KH! in my opinion of courese

[Red Phoenix]

 

47 minutes ago, Dan O said:

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Did you know that COVID-jabs are STILL required when applying for a Visa to visit the US? 

And that - besides the perks, help and support you receive - it is NOT required when entering the US illegally. 

Just like any number of countries worldwide have had diseases control requirements and still do. You pick and choose were to go and if you dont like the requirement dont go.

 

Your comment about illegals is fairly ridiculous. 

#1 - I know an American lady married to a Thai national 5 years ago, that is already trying for +4 years to get a visitor visa for her Thai husband to visit the US with her.  Apart from the mandatory Covid-19 jabs which as I wrote are currently STILL required, there are heaps of other bureaucratic requirements and continual new required documents to be provided. 

#2 - It's not my comment that is 'fairly ridiculous' but rather the current US border regulations, which allow entering the US 'illegally' and then staying there without any of the hassle and hurdles when trying to do that legally.  And yes, no need for Covid-jabs when taking the grey route...

[blaze master]

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

A day free of posts from science challenged posters.  A day free from posts claiming that all but the MAGAtized scientists and doctors are as corrupt as the next president.

 

I knew it wouldn't be long until a but but but Trump person came rolling through.

[blaze master]

58 minutes ago, Dan O said:

It wasn't a rant it was a fact. But can add those too as they weren't on the ballot as a choice, were they??

 

To make a claim the 76 million voted for him because they don't believe he's a serial liar is an asinine assumption. 

 

Another in denial I see. 

[Dan O]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

#1 - I know an American lady married to a Thai national 5 years ago, that is already trying for +4 years to get a visitor visa for her Thai husband to visit the US with her.  Apart from the mandatory Covid-19 jabs which as I wrote are currently STILL required, there are heaps of other bureaucratic requirements and continual new required documents to be provided. 

#2 - It's not my comment that is 'fairly ridiculous' but rather the current US border regulations, which allow entering the US 'illegally' and then staying there without any of the hassle and hurdles when trying to do that legally.  And yes, no need for Covid-jabs when taking the grey route...

Can you post a link showing its allowed to illegally enter the USA?  If you come illegally no one knows your there, duh.

 

 Non immigrated visas for tourism business etc  are not required to have a covid vaccine,  only people applying as immigrant status since 2023. 

 

Every country in the world has their own requirements to gain entry and the USA is not alone in that.

 

You complain there are too stringent regs to meet and at same time complain about illegals getting your claimed support for free, which is not completely accurate. Which way do you want it to go?

[pomchop]

Real world story:

 

Two old high school buddies both in excellent help and very active. They sit and watch fox news and T when covid started and decided that it was all a big hoax.  Both refused to get the vaccine.  Both of their wives got the shots and tried their best to get husbands to get it but they refused.  Couple months later both men in same hospital with tubes stuck down their throats and in couple of days were dead.  Both wives alive and fine to this day.

 

So go peddle all the it's a hoax BS somewhere else as i miss my friends who i am pretty sure would still be around except for all the crap and lies and BS spread about how it was all a hoax and getting vaxed was stupid etc.

[Dan O]

7 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Another in denial I see. 

Care to try to explain what I'm denying?  I don't think you can but give it a try anyway.

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Care to try to explain what I'm denying?  I don't think you can but give it a try anyway.

 

No I don't care to.

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

No I don't care to.

Not because you dont care to because you can't as i never denied anything and your post was bs 

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Not because you dont care to because you can't as i never denied anything and your post was bs 

 

 

If you say so. 

[pomchop]

9 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Real world story:

 

Two old high school buddies both in excellent help and very active. They sit and watch fox news and T when covid started and decided that it was all a big hoax.  Both refused to get the vaccine.  Both of their wives got the shots and tried their best to get husbands to get it but they refused.  Couple months later both men in same hospital with tubes stuck down their throats and in couple of days were dead.  Both wives alive and fine to this day.

 

So go peddle all the it's a hoax BS somewhere else as i miss my friends who i am pretty sure would still be around except for all the crap and lies and BS spread about how it was all a hoax and getting vaxed was stupid etc.

and whoever things a good ole funny emoji is funny ...go visit their wives and see if they think you're "funny"