Exploration of the Virgin Birth That Maybe Wasn’t

[OneMoreFarang]

It's amazing that some people still talk about this nonsense 2000 years after it supposedly happened.

 

[Plan B]

[NoDisplayName]

22 hours ago, CHdiver said:

Just for the record, yes a woman can get pregnant without penetration as long as the semen is placed inside her vagina. 

 

That is the wrong orifice.  The conception occurred through the ear per Psalm 45:10 as she "inclined her ear," thus retaining virginity.

[CygnusX1]

1 hour ago, George Aylesham said:

She obviously got pregnant from sitting on a lavatory seat.

There were no such things as lavatories then. Oh? Well she must have got it in the traditional way then.

Let’s just think of the technology available 2,000 years ago - perhaps a small pottery dish, a hollow reed, and a human male happy to commit the sin of Onan, and now use your imagination!

 

Or maybe we’re only arguing over the strict definition of the word ‘virgin’.

[Hummin]

The biblical meaning of Virgin

 

Virgin in this context carries the idea of the people of God being faithful to one God in contrast to believing in many gods. Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. (Matt. 1:23).

 

Source: Bible house of grace 

[DD86]

22 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Like The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Henry VIII, the Irish problem etc etc.

You forgot the flat earth.

[Dirk Z]

And after nine months Mary gives birth to the baby. Congratulations Mary, what a lovely girl!

[Tippaporn]

On 12/24/2024 at 8:18 AM, soalbundy said:

On 12/24/2024 at 4:05 AM, rattlesnake said:

It's called respect.

More like insanity, why, in this day and age, is a virgin birth even considered as a possibility?

 

You seem to miss @rattlesnake's point of respect.  For surely you hold beliefs that others would find to be similarly insane and for which you could be ridiculed for believing in.  So, respect.  Respect for an individual no matter what they believe.  Put the other's shoe on your foot and you'll easily understand Rattles' post.

 

I guarantee that if it were possible to list each and every belief that anyone holds and then attempt to reconcile the totality of one's beliefs, fitting them all together in order to  paint a unified, holistic picture, you would find that the picture created would be strange indeed and make very little sense.  You would marvel just at the sheer quantity of outright contradictions that you would find, let alone the number of beliefs that utterly fail if put to the test of logic.

[PuiPuiHarry]

1) A non-married woman pregnant in these days, in very orthodox Judaism...  normally a man would marry her and declare the child to be his... If not.. same as in present woman's paradise like Iran of Afghanistan: would be stoned/killed, Therefore: Not realistic.

2) In the Roman Empire counting the number of people happened several times, for one and one reason only: to know how much tax could be levied. So a person, who want to escape that, and even go to another "state" (from Galilee to  Judea...) would be seen as a tax escaper.

3) A star ( or comet) standing still above Betlehem ? Something on a distance of million(s) of kms ? Where the nonsense comes from ?

4) Three kings/wise persons, travelling from their origin to Bethlehem, on camel back.. would need several months if not longer, seen a distance of a 2000 km and a travel speed of maybe 20 km/day.

5) the murder of all children under 2 years on order of king Herodus the Great, who died somewhere 7-2 Y BC ?  No any historic evidence, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents

The story of the massacre is found in no gospel other than Matthew, nor is it mentioned in the surviving works of Nicolaus of Damascus (who was a personal friend of Herod the Great), nor in Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews, despite his recording many of Herod's misdeeds, including the murder of three of his own sons.

[soalbundy]

22 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You seem to miss @rattlesnake's point of respect.  For surely you hold beliefs that others would find to be similarly insane and for which you could be ridiculed for believing in.  So, respect.  Respect for an individual no matter what they believe.  Put the other's shoe on your foot and you'll easily understand Rattles' post.

 

I guarantee that if it were possible to list each and every belief that anyone holds and then attempt to reconcile the totality of one's beliefs, fitting them all together in order to  paint a unified, holistic picture, you would find that the picture created would be strange indeed and make very little sense.  You would marvel just at the sheer quantity of outright contradictions that you would find, let alone the number of beliefs that utterly fail if put to the test of logic.

Yes I can agree with that but only to a certain extent, 2+2 still makes 4, if someone says it makes 5 I will call them out on it, I will also ridicule flat earthers because it goes against known knowledge. In ancient Greece an illegitimate man would call himself son of Zeus, the virgin Mary runs on the same lines, in fact the virgin Mary myth is a relatively new invention and became really popular during the Victorian era, only one of the books in the bible mentions the virgin Mary and that is thought to mean maiden or young woman and mistakenly translated as virgin.

[Neall Calvert]

People seem poorly informed on the subject of DNA. One most likely cannot create a person manifesting the kind of mastery of life that Jesus exemplified with genes from a Roman soldier. I am told that Jesus had 95% effective DNA (there's one molecule of DNA in each of the 100 trillion cells of the body), while most of us have about 35% effective DNA.

The other thing: It is known, from sources such as the Italian bible scholar Mauro Biglino and sources of galactic information such as Pleiadians (Jesus is the master of the Milky Way galaxy, not just Earth), that angels were not 'flighty beings with wings', rather human-looking entities with great power that walked around on Earth, that could emanate light energy from their hands, and appear and disappear at will (they were actually Pleiadians, who closely resemble humans, but live in the 7th dimension: highly advanced spiritual beings who can be both in the Pleiades and here at the same time).

Pleiadians were the ones who upgraded the human DNA in the first place to move us to the next level above the near-animal (took place a long time back, in the so-called 'Garden of Eden'). The angel Gabriel may have been the one with the DNA quality needed to create a being like Jesus, thus he would have impregnated Mary (in the usual way), leaving Joseph puzzled when she became pregnant. There's many levels to consider, for a being like Jesus to be born.