Fatal Motorcycle Crash at Notorious Bend Sparks Local Superstition

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I'm not allowed to use the language that even approaches how ill-informed and totally wrong your blinkered ideas are ... you even managed to throw in a couple of reduction ad absudums for good measure and some false dichotomies

 

I agree with you 'sometimes' regarding road engineering and other factors... 

 

But sometimes an accident happens for no other reason than the simplicity of someone was being dumb....     you call it human error... I call it being stupid, and stupid people make more human errors.

 

 

You are making the human error right now of making the assumption that you have the answers and that road engineering is the issue...  Drink Driving and Speeding is clearly the issue and you can't road engineer people to stop doing that... 

 

 

... People can be educated,  they can be policed, a cultural shift can be effected....  but stupid people will still do stupid things.... 

 

... and to have this accident, this was not a sober rider travelling within reasonable speeds...  He'd have had an accident at some point because he was dumb enough to get drunk, and then complacent enough to either fall asleep and ride into a solid object, or complacent enough to go way too fast and lose control and hit a stationary object... & you can't remove all stationary objects...  stupid riders will find away to hit something...  not deliberately of course, but in aggregate thats the end result. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its not accident black-spot - thats just BS reporting...    its just an innocuous bit of road along which couple of idiots have managed to crash, through a) being drunk, b) not paying attention..... (or both).

 

 

Find me a bend or any road for that matter where Thai people do not drive over the line. Just last week  I saw a wreck with a big bike and a pickup truck where they collided going opposite directions. Why did this happen? Because there was land slide around a bend and instead of slowing down and proceeding with caution they both went full speed in the middle of the road.

 

Moreover, Just yesterday I go left around a sharp bend on my bike and there's a pickup truck who was halfway in the right lane making his turn, simply because it was more of a direct line for him then staying in the left lane. I swerved and avoided him but still wtf....

 

You can't fix these people and you can not make me care when they crash and kill themselves. If you're too stupid to understand why you should drive on the correct side of road then how are you a life worth saving?

[richard_smith237]

You're getting your panties in a right old twist Kwilco...   

 

Triple quoting yourself...    the text-book engineer in you completely ignores the human facet of these issues - people are stupid enough to get themselves in difficult (and kill themselves) in pretty much any situation they are faced with...  

 

Put 100,000 people in an empty room for an hour, and one of them will find a way to do something stupid enough to kill themselves.... 

 

.. and the same can be said for the roads - it doesn't matter how well engineered they are idiots will do something stupid. 

 

 

[kwilco]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

You're getting your panties in a right old twist Kwilco...   

 

Triple quoting yourself...    the text-book engineer in you completely ignores the human facet of these issues - people are stupid enough to get themselves in difficult (and kill themselves) in pretty much any situation they are faced with...  

 

Put 100,000 people in an empty room for an hour, and one of them will find a way to do something stupid enough to kill themselves.... 

 

.. and the same can be said for the roads - it doesn't matter how well engineered they are idiots will do something stupid. 

 

 

Still there? Come back when you you've educated yourself 

 

PS the first rule of road safety is you can't fix people....that's how it works...you would be a case in hand

[kwilco]

OK, one last try....

Your statements underscore an important principle in road safety: focusing on blame based on drivers, nationality or identity is counterproductive. Effective road safety improvements come from understanding systemic factors, such as infrastructure design, legislation, driver behavior, and cultural norms, rather than attributing issues to a specific group.

By prioritizing evidence-based approaches—like studying crash data, human error patterns, vehicle safety standards, and urban planning—societies can better address the root causes of accidents. Blame detracts from collaboration and the pursuit of shared solutions, which are essential for reducing road-related injuries and fatalities globally

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

Still there? Come back when you you've educated yourself 

 

PS the first rule of road safety is you can't fix people....that's how it works...you would be a case in hand

 

Still at it...    Simple question - Is a road accident ever a persons fault ??? or is it always the roads fault ? (through lack of road engineering ?)

 

You are so locked into your binary rhetoric you fail to see any other picture. 

 

I understand your angle of road engineering, I think its valid in many cases... But you completely fail to identify that it doesn't matter how good the 'road engineering' is....  there are idiots out there who will still mess up through no other reason than they were doing something stupid...   

 

 

So... I agree... You can't fix people... That comment pretty much agrees that people are stupid and will get into accidents when they do something stupid... its the persons fault not the roads fault !!!..

 

If you we are going to discuss stupid, then we can clearly see how you've locked yourself into text-book theory have doubled down and now have no intelligent response without contradicting yourself. 

  

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Your statements underscore an important principle in road safety: focusing on blame based on drivers, nationality or identity is counterproductive. Effective road safety improvements come from understanding systemic factors, such as infrastructure design, legislation, driver behavior, and cultural norms, rather than attributing issues to a specific group.

 

I don't see how can you can say this given who we're talking about. The driving here is so uncivilized and nonsensical it supersedes everything else. We're talking about people that have problems controlling their emotions and seem to not have any regard for other people using the roads (basically children).

 

Even if you make them the most straight perfect road they will still find ways to crash and kill each other. This is obvious isn't it?

[papa al]

so just buy an amulet or 2

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

OK, one last try....

Your statements underscore an important principle in road safety: focusing on blame based on drivers, nationality or identity is counterproductive. Effective road safety improvements come from understanding systemic factors, such as infrastructure design, legislation, driver behavior, and cultural norms, rather than attributing issues to a specific group.

By prioritizing evidence-based approaches—like studying crash data, human error patterns, vehicle safety standards, and urban planning—societies can better address the root causes of accidents. Blame detracts from collaboration and the pursuit of shared solutions, which are essential for reducing road-related injuries and fatalities globally

 

Agreed....  but all of the above will conclude specific groups are more prone to accidents than others - thats why there are insurance bands. 

 

Its a cultural norm here for men to ride drunk on motorcycles, many crash, a lot die...   Thats evidence based.

 

The human error patterns you want to highlight...   thats stupidity - dumb people speeding on narrow roads while drunk and hitting something hard... If someone did the same thing in the UK, I'd blame their stupidity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kwilco]

6 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

don't see how can you can say this given who we're talking about.

That's yor problem.there stupid stupider and racist .

I've been driving here longer and further than most Thai people. It's only foreigners whao vant drive that don't understand driving here.

If you are in a 4 wheeled vehicle, you are in fact less likely to doe than you are in the USA 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

I don't see how can you can say this given who we're talking about. The driving here is so uncivilized and nonsensical it supersedes everything else. We're talking about people that have problems controlling their emotions and seem to not have any regard for other people using the roads (basically children).

 

Even if you make them the most straight perfect road they will still find ways to crash and kill each other. This is obvious isn't it?

 

The issue Kwilco has, is that we as outside observers to all these tragedies can make the clear observation that we see so many people doing so many stupid things on the roads... He really does not like that word and wants to shoe-horn in accusations racism into the discussion....  

 

He thinks you can engineer problems out of a roads to make them safer, and he is of course right...  But he completely fails on the understanding that it doesn't matter how safe something is made, how well educated people are and trained... People will do stupid things... he said it himself "you can't fix people" - because stupid people do stupid things...

 

..... and men get on motorcycles while drunk or drive cars, while drunk and fail to navigate perfectly safe roads that the rest of society have no issue with...   Thats stupid people doing stupid things. 

 

IF this area truly were an accident blackspot, sober people would be having accidents at 7pm...   

 

This is not a 120kmh road that crests a hill into blind bend....  its a normal road, with a normal bend, nothing dangerous for most people when they are not blind drunk speeding, in which case everything becomes dangerous and that can't be engineered for. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

That's yor problem.there stupid stupider and racist .

I've been driving here longer and further than most Thai people. It's only foreigners whao vant drive that don't understand driving here.

 

The "I've been here longer than most"  argument is a clutch at straws....   

 

I've been driving here for 25 years and riding motorcycles here for 15 years...    that means nothing in this debate. 

 

And... as you have been driving here for that long then you have surely shaken your head at the many outrageous and stupid things you see....   Or, when you see something really stupid do you honestly think... "its the roads fault" ???

 

I know, I know...   you'll now argue that with road design the impact of the stupidity is less, because the 'road engineering'  protects people when an accident happens, i.e. removing power poles from the road, adding armco barriers etc...      

... people doing stupid things will still die on the roads.

 

 

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

If you are in a 4 wheeled vehicle, you are in fact less likely to doe than you are in the USA 

 

I've presented that statistic plenty of times - but have also highlighted that as with all statistics the data is incomplete as it only accounts for population basis not per vehicle basis and does not include mileage covered per vehicle - so the result is potentially distorted. 

 

That said: for 4 wheeled vehicles - the Thai stat is 4x higher than the equivalent UK stat.

[NorthernRyland]

27 minutes ago, kwilco said:

That's yor problem.there stupid stupider and racist .

I've been driving here longer and further than most Thai people. It's only foreigners whao vant drive that don't understand driving here.

If you are in a 4 wheeled vehicle, you are in fact less likely to doe than you are in the USA 

 

ok so this is what we're dealing with. Thai drivers are the same as any others, it's just those pesky roads and farangs that's don't understand how we do things 'round here.. Next you'll be telling us the earth flat...

[kwilco]

26 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

ok so this is what we're dealing with. Thai drivers are the same as any others, it's just those pesky roads and farangs that's don't understand how we do things 'round here.. Next you'll be telling us the earth flat...

I'd say that is more likely to come from you judging by your thinking on this thread. Pure prejudice and assumption.

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I'd say that is more likely to come from you judging by your thinking on this thread. Pure prejudice and assumption.

 

You're throwing prejudice to try and point score now, when its not prejudice, its basic observation. 

 

Is it prejudice when the Thai's I know make the same observations, that there are more people who do stupid things on the roads in Thailand than they do in the UK or Japan ???

 

 

 

 

[kwilco]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You're throwing prejudice to try and point score now, when its not prejudice, its basic observation. 

 

Is it prejudice when the Thai's I know make the same observations, that there are more people who do stupid things on the roads in Thailand than they do in the UK or Japan ???

 

 

 

 

Why would Thai oeople make different observations...they know no more about road safety than you.

Hence the total lack of properly trained traffic engineers.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Why would Thai oeople make different observations...they know no more about road safety than you.

Hence the total lack of properly trained traffic engineers.

 

 

Yawn...   This idea of yours that road engineers will stop stupid people from doing stupid things on the roads is completely delusional...    

 

You've failed at your attempts to shimmy in a prejudice and racist argument and your now failing a some basic common sense. 

 

Of course, engineering the roads for greater safety will bring improvement, reduce accidents, and fatalities... but it won't stop them all because there are still stupid people doing stupid things...    

 

Road design would not have stopped this accident... Education and effective policing may have, a cultural shift towards one that sees 'drink driving' as anti-social may have...   

 

But, none of this will prevent the consequences of stupidity....   if someone is intent on doing something as stupid as getting blind drunk, then trying to ride home and speed while doing so, losing control on a very mild bend, then there is no other cause for that accident than their stupidity. 

 

If more than one person does the same thing, that does not automatically mean that bend is poorly engineered, its just means that there are more than one drunk idiot driving too fast at that bend...   if they made that bend, they'd have an accident at the next, or perhaps the straight, or perhaps they'd get lucky and not have an accidence because they were drunk and fell asleep on a straight road...    

... but the stupidity of such actions means they are an accident waiting to happen and road engineering can't help that unless you are going to remove every possible obstacle from the road.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kwilco]

On 12/26/2024 at 2:58 PM, NorthernRyland said:

I don't see how can you can say this given who we're talking about

Who do you think we are talking about?

[kwilco]

There will always be drunk drivers and bad drivers in every country, so what does real road safety entail?

 

The science of road safety encompasses a multidisciplinary approach that applies scientific principles to understand and mitigate the factors contributing to road accidents and injuries.

This includes analysing and understanding various factors – it seems that most contributors to this thread have no idea what they are…..

 

Firstly data analysis and epidemiology; the study of accident data to identify patterns, trends, and risk factors associated with road crashes. This includes analysing factors such as driver behaviour, road conditions, vehicle types, and environmental conditions….and the bend where this crash took place.

 

One looks objectively – not racially – at the human factors – e.g. how human behaviour, cognition, perception, and decision-making influence driving performance and safety outcomes. This includes studying aspects like driver fatigue, distraction, impairment (due to alcohol, drugs, or medication), and psychological factors. Not just simply claimimng it as a cut and dry explanation.

 

Engineering and Infrastructure on Thai roads leave a lot to be desired. They fail to apply even basic engineering principles to design safer roads, intersections, and infrastructure. This involves considerations such as road geometry, signage, traffic signals, lighting, barrier systems, and pedestrian/cyclist facilities. The total ignorance of this aspect is well demonstrated by certain contributors on this thread and others. Because they’ve never heard of it, they think it doesn’t exist – flat earthers to a man!

 

Vehicle Design and Technology plays a part especially in Thailand which has a deadly mix of vehicles that perform poor in safety specifications. Proper Assessment of vehicle safety features and technologies and road design can prevent or mitigate the severity of crashes. This includes advancements in vehicle crashworthiness, active safety systems (e.g., ABS, ESC), passive safety features (e.g., airbags, seat belts), and emerging technologies like autonomous vehicles. As well as what goes on in terms of road furniture, signs, trees barriers, road surfaces, markings etc.

 

The use of behavioural science and education has a part to play also. Using behavioural science to develop effective education, training, and awareness programs aimed at promoting safer driving behaviours and reducing risk-taking on the road is just non-existent in Thailand.

 

Thailand fails miserably in both Policy and Legislation. The effectiveness of road safety policies, regulations, and enforcement strategies are negligible…. this includes assessing the impact of laws related to speed limits, impaired driving, seat belt use, and mobile phone usage while driving. To effect these in any meaningful way will need a reform of both police and the legal / courts system

 

Road safety is not down to drunk drivers, it is a public health problem. Applying public health principles to prevent road traffic injuries and fatalities involves strategies such as trauma care improvements, emergency medical response systems, and injury prevention programs. All of which are virtually absent in Thailand

Until recently no one in Thailand is making use of computer simulation and modelling to predict and analyse potential road safety interventions, infrastructure changes, and their impact on traffic flow and safety. If they did they would be able to identify accurately crash hotspots. At present two organisations, one form Sweden and another from Australia are trying to find and re-design crash hotspots.

 

Overall, the science of road safety integrates knowledge and methodologies from various disciplines to develop evidence-based strategies that can effectively reduce the incidence and severity of road accidents, thereby saving lives and minimizing injuries. I see little evidence of awareness of this on this thread.

[kwilco]

On 12/26/2024 at 4:45 PM, richard_smith237 said:

But, none of this will prevent the consequences of stupidity....   if someone is intent on doing something as stupid as getting blind drunk, then trying to ride home and speed while doing so, losing control on a very mild bend, then there is no other cause for that accident than their stupidity. 

absolutely totally uninformed.

[kwilco]

On 12/26/2024 at 1:26 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Its seems that the 'rider' crashed into a pole on a straight bit of road.... 

 

How would you engineer your way out that ??????..

look where the pole is!!

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

absolutely totally uninformed.

 

You are right... If the roads are perfectly engineered a speeding drunk on a motorcycle would never crash and kill themselves...  

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, kwilco said:

look where the pole is!!

 

You are right... remove the pole and a speeding drunk on a motorcycle would never crash into anything else such as another vehicle and kill themselves... 

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, kwilco said:

There will always be drunk drivers and bad drivers in every country, so what does real road safety entail?

 

The science of road safety encompasses a multidisciplinary approach that applies scientific principles to understand and mitigate the factors contributing to road accidents and injuries.

This includes analysing and understanding various factors – it seems that most contributors to this thread have no idea what they are…..

 

Firstly data analysis and epidemiology; the study of accident data to identify patterns, trends, and risk factors associated with road crashes. This includes analysing factors such as driver behaviour, road conditions, vehicle types, and environmental conditions….and the bend where this crash took place.

 

One looks objectively – not racially – at the human factors – e.g. how human behaviour, cognition, perception, and decision-making influence driving performance and safety outcomes. This includes studying aspects like driver fatigue, distraction, impairment (due to alcohol, drugs, or medication), and psychological factors. Not just simply claimimng it as a cut and dry explanation.

 

Engineering and Infrastructure on Thai roads leave a lot to be desired. They fail to apply even basic engineering principles to design safer roads, intersections, and infrastructure. This involves considerations such as road geometry, signage, traffic signals, lighting, barrier systems, and pedestrian/cyclist facilities. The total ignorance of this aspect is well demonstrated by certain contributors on this thread and others. Because they’ve never heard of it, they think it doesn’t exist – flat earthers to a man!

 

Vehicle Design and Technology plays a part especially in Thailand which has a deadly mix of vehicles that perform poor in safety specifications. Proper Assessment of vehicle safety features and technologies and road design can prevent or mitigate the severity of crashes. This includes advancements in vehicle crashworthiness, active safety systems (e.g., ABS, ESC), passive safety features (e.g., airbags, seat belts), and emerging technologies like autonomous vehicles. As well as what goes on in terms of road furniture, signs, trees barriers, road surfaces, markings etc.

 

The use of behavioural science and education has a part to play also. Using behavioural science to develop effective education, training, and awareness programs aimed at promoting safer driving behaviours and reducing risk-taking on the road is just non-existent in Thailand.

 

Thailand fails miserably in both Policy and Legislation. The effectiveness of road safety policies, regulations, and enforcement strategies are negligible…. this includes assessing the impact of laws related to speed limits, impaired driving, seat belt use, and mobile phone usage while driving. To effect these in any meaningful way will need a reform of both police and the legal / courts system

 

Road safety is not down to drunk drivers, it is a public health problem. Applying public health principles to prevent road traffic injuries and fatalities involves strategies such as trauma care improvements, emergency medical response systems, and injury prevention programs. All of which are virtually absent in Thailand

Until recently no one in Thailand is making use of computer simulation and modelling to predict and analyse potential road safety interventions, infrastructure changes, and their impact on traffic flow and safety. If they did they would be able to identify accurately crash hotspots. At present two organisations, one form Sweden and another from Australia are trying to find and re-design crash hotspots.

 

Overall, the science of road safety integrates knowledge and methodologies from various disciplines to develop evidence-based strategies that can effectively reduce the incidence and severity of road accidents, thereby saving lives and minimizing injuries. I see little evidence of awareness of this on this thread.

 

 

Ah, thank you, Professor, for blessing us with your extensive cut-and-paste wisdom, as if this thread were an international conference on stating the obvious. You’ve somehow managed to cram every vaguely related buzzword about road safety into one long-winded, self-congratulatory essay, and yet contributed absolutely nothing original. Bravo.

 

Your ability to talk down to everyone is truly unmatched, even by myself !!!. Apparently, no one here can grasp the profound complexity of "bad roads and bad drivers," except for you, the enlightened oracle of traffic engineering.

 

Meanwhile, the rest of us peasants must stumble along in our ignorance, oblivious to the groundbreaking revelations of "better signage" and "less drunk driving." How revolutionary.

 

For someone so obsessed with being "objective" and "scientific," your comments are dripping with smug superiority and unsubstantiated generalisations. Dismissing Thailand as some backward, irredeemable failure of a nation in road safety ignores reality, and reeks of the kind of arrogance that assumes reading a few reports qualifies you to solve all the world's problems.

 

And oh, the “flat earthers” jab, what an original, cutting-edge insult. Did you come up with that before or after deciding you’re the sole authority on what constitutes valid commentary?  Here’s a tip: If you want to pretend to have a superior intellect, try not to undermine it by resorting to tired clichés and hollow condescension.

 

In summary, your verbose tirade is less a contribution to the discussion and more a monument to your own inflated ego.

 

Next time, try engaging with others instead of delivering an unsolicited lecture. Who knows? You might actually learn something.

[kwilco]

On 12/26/2024 at 1:26 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

I do see what you are getting at with the 'road engineering comments'....  but you are trying to shoe-horn in a road engineering issue... when this is a 'speeding idiot who couldn't stay on the road issue'

 

The accident occured about 40-50m away from a gentle bend in the road can be seen on the Map posted by KannikaP - also another map pasted below... (arrow points to the accident spot).

 

Anyone unable to navigate such a simple road can't be helped with road engineering.

 

 

 

Its not accident black-spot - thats just BS reporting...    its just an innocuous bit of road along which couple of idiots have managed to crash, through a) being drunk, b) not paying attention..... (or both).

 

The 'spirit' thing is just as stupid and highlights the daft mentality.... its another example of people attempting to blame anything else other than the glaringly obvious - the accident was caused by sheer stupidity - it wasn't caused by the road or spirits.... 

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at the opposite direction from the accident spot to the 'bend in the road'... 

Its seems that the 'rider' crashed into a pole on a straight bit of road.... 

 

How would you engineer your way out that ??????...

Of course, remove the Poles, which I'd agree with.... but the rider would still crash... Perhaps this time into a car on the other side of the road or another motorcyclist etc... 

 

 

 

 

Looking at the crash scene.

Firstly some assumptions.

Assume that the rider was on the main road and hadn’t just joined the road.

We can’t tell is the surface was rutted. Or if there was a fault or obsr=tacle on the road

 

There are 3 junctions around that point.

A private one on the left

A public one on the right and a soi on the right

 

As with many Thai roads the road furniture is very intrusive and close to the road – notably the concrete utility post that would have killed him

 

There is also a lot of promotional lighting along the road which may or may not have been on at the time (3am?) this would have created possible mistaken vision.

 

The edge of the road has concrete gutters that once entered by a motorcycle make it very hard to control and get out of.

 

Looking at your suggestion for a trajectory for the bike, I would say it is almost certain that he was avoiding another vehicle – in poor lighting – either someone coming towards him too near to the centre of the road or possibly a car entering or exiting the road from one of the side entrances.

 

It wouldn’t have to be hit and run even – in the dark the other motorist may have been totally unaware of what happened to the motorcycle. The trouble is that once the human error had occurred, the gully and the concrete lamp post took care of the rest

 

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Looking at the crash scene.

Firstly some assumptions.

Assume that the rider was on the main road and hadn’t just joined the road.

We can’t tell is the surface was rutted. Or if there was a fault or obsr=tacle on the road

 

There are 3 junctions around that point.

A private one on the left

A public one on the right and a soi on the right

 

As with many Thai roads the road furniture is very intrusive and close to the road – notably the concrete utility post that would have killed him

 

There is also a lot of promotional lighting along the road which may or may not have been on at the time (3am?) this would have created possible mistaken vision.

 

The edge of the road has concrete gutters that once entered by a motorcycle make it very hard to control and get out of.

 

Looking at your suggestion for a trajectory for the bike, I would say it is almost certain that he was avoiding another vehicle – in poor lighting – either someone coming towards him too near to the centre of the road or possibly a car entering or exiting the road from one of the side entrances.

 

It wouldn’t have to be hit and run even – in the dark the other motorist may have been totally unaware of what happened to the motorcycle.

 

Got it... nothing to do with being drunk, speeding and losing control then...   it was someone else's fault !!

 

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

The trouble is that once the human error had occurred, the gully and the concrete lamp post took care of the rest

 

Agreed on this point - engineer away the gully and the post..   he'd not have come to such an abrupt stop and killed himself.... 

 

But.. he'd still be a drunk rider and a 'fatality stat' waiting to happen...   why ?... because of stupidity unless he suddenly got smarter and learned from the consequences....  though I doubt that this was his first drunk accident. 

 

 

[kwilco]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Got it... nothing to do with being drunk, speeding and losing control then...   it was someone else's fault !!

 

 

Agreed on this point - engineer away the gully and the post..   he'd not have come to such an abrupt stop and killed himself.... 

 

But.. he'd still be a drunk rider and a 'fatality stat' waiting to happen...   why ?... because of stupidity unless he suddenly got smarter and learned from the consequences....  though I doubt that this was his first drunk accident. 

 

 

As I keep saying road safety is about mitigating the problems resulting from human error. 

 

did you know that Thailand and UK have about the same number of crashes, yet the death rate in UK is one twelfth of that in Thailand?

 

then you revert to talking prejuce again. -   " though I doubt that this was his first drunk accident. " - Why? because he's Thai??

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

As I keep saying road safety is about mitigating the problems resulting from human error. 

 

did you know that Thailand and UK have about the same number of crashes, yet the death rate in UK is one twelfth of that in Thailand?

 

In the UK in 2022 there were 135,000 road accidents. 

*(in reality, thats probably higher as many go unreported due to insurance excess etc)

 

In Thailand in 2022 there were 939,713 road accidents, with official figures reporting *14,737 deaths 

*Note previous WHO esimtates are 20,000 to 25,000 deaths when official numbers are similar. 

*(in reality, thats probably higher as many go unreported as they don't have insurance)

 

The accident rate in Thailand is 7x higher than the UK. 

 

The fatality rate per accident in Thailand: 0.0127 deaths per accident

The fatality rate per accident in the UK in 0.0157 deaths per accident

 

Thai accident death rates are 1.2x (slightly) greater than the UK - so quite similar going off the figures I have.

 

 

 

The stats of course will be questions because they don't fit your rhetoric. 

Sources: Gov.uk - UK Department for Transport  / The Nation

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

then you revert to talking prejuce again. -   " though I doubt that this was his first drunk accident. " - Why? because he's Thai??

 

Yawn - you're going give up the attempted point score, you've already failed too many times at playing your racist and prejudice card.

 

I doubt this was the deceased first accident, not because he's Thai...  but because he's in Thailand.... Western idiots also drink ride and speed and kill themselves on motorcycles here - and they do so out of blind stupidity, if they behaved the same on the UK roads, they'd also die, or have been caught by the police and with repeated offences locked up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NanLaew]

On 12/26/2024 at 9:55 PM, richard_smith237 said:

You are so locked into your binary rhetoric you fail to see any other picture. 

 

And you aren't?

[NanLaew]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your ability to talk down to everyone is truly unmatched, even by myself !!!.

 

There's no need to be so hard on yourself. Your pontifical abilities are right up there with the best of them.