7 hours ago, webfact said:

President-elect Donald Trump speaks at AmericaFest, Sunday, Dec. 22, 2024, in Phoenix. Rick Scuteri/AP

President-elect Donald Trump said on Tuesday he will direct the Department of Justice to “vigorously pursue the death penalty” after President Joe Biden on Monday commuted the death sentences of 37 federal inmates to life in prison.

 

“As soon as I am inaugurated, I will direct the Justice Department to vigorously pursue the death penalty to protect American families and children from violent rapists, murderers, and monsters.

 

We will be a Nation of Law and Order again!” Trump wrote on Truth Social, echoing his long-standing advocacy for use of the death penalty, which was part of his tough-on-crime rhetoric during the 2024 campaign.

 

After Biden’s commutation of most federal death row inmates – which Trump on Truth Social said “makes no sense” – there will be just three individuals in federal prison facing the death penalty when the president-elect takes office in January.

 

Full story: CNN 

-- 2024-12-26

 

 

Gee, Mr. Trump ... might I suggest you read Condorcet (influenced by both Voltaire and Rousseau who I also recommend you read for your enlightenment). He observed centuries ago that it is the surety of being caught more than the severity of punishment that results in fewer crimes being committed. Oops, sorry, I forget your goal is money and public notoriety rather than knowledge. Hmm, does this get me on Patel's "enemy list"?

6 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

d. Too many who are innocent are killed by the state. This is barbaric.

Agree. But when there is a video of Luigi actually committing the act, then there is only one sentence.

Ask him 'Is that you or not?'

 

No U.S. president can directly impose or mandate the use of the death penalty, as this decision is ultimately governed by the judicial system and must adhere to the Constitutional rights of individuals.

 

So just more blather.

Russians are NOT humans. They are ORCS!

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

Agree. But when there is a video of Luigi actually committing the act, then there is only one sentence.

Ask him 'Is that you or not?'

 

Luigi knows it's he.

Is this a reaction to Biden's pardons or because a member of the CEO class got shot dead?

Perhaps Trump and his minions should be careful what they wish for. Isn’t treason a death penalty crime?

5 hours ago, thesetat said:

You try your best to show Trump in a bad way for these things. But face it. The men were not put to death and had gotten released from exoneration. They would not have been put to death either because it takes almost 20 years in prison before a death sentence is given. Plenty of time for them to be exonerated or to fight with appeals in the courts. So your nice little Trump rhetoric has no bearing to this OP. 

So, you read it and completely misunderstood it. Well done.

An inflammatory post using excessive ALL CAPS and a reply has been removed as there is no need to shout.

10 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Overwhelmingly, it seems.

Just as I predicted.

 

“Overwhelmingly”?

Trump won by one of the narrowest of margins since the 1980s.

Delusional or what!

Just now, Red Forever said:

“Overwhelmingly”?

Trump won by one of the narrowest of margins since the 1980s.

Delusional or what!

No that’s wrong.It’s even worse than that.

1880s.

There can be no justification for the death penalty.  Trump's record on this is abysmal as the Central Park 5 link posted earlier shows.  

12 hours ago, webfact said:

As soon as I am inaugurated, I will direct the Justice Department to vigorously pursue the death penalty to protect American families and children from violent rapists, murderers, and monsters.

Absolutely Bring it on and use it more often .

Don't leave those animals that do those Heinous crimes enjoy the privilege  of getting getting life and waiting for some pardon  that they might get.  Get Rid of them .

7 hours ago, thesetat said:

You try your best to show Trump in a bad way for these things. But face it. The men were not put to death and had gotten released from exoneration. They would not have been put to death either because it takes almost 20 years in prison before a death sentence is given. Plenty of time for them to be exonerated or to fight with appeals in the courts. So your nice little Trump rhetoric has no bearing to this OP. 

Questions for you:

 

1..If you are going to keep them on death row for 20 years before execution, what is the point of executing them at all?

2..Given he was found guilty of murder, would you be happy for Derek Chauvin to be executred?

 

PH

 

 

Kill baby kill!

 

It's a shame the UK abolished the death penalty. There are plenty of a$#holes in UK prisons that are most certainly guilty of terrible crimes. Executing those would free up much needed prison accommodation.

 

They could start with Levi Bellfield and Colin Pitchfork. Then Ian Huntley and Steven Wright.

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Questions for you:

 

1..If you are going to keep them on death row for 20 years before execution, what is the point of executing them at all?

2..Given he was found guilty of murder, would you be happy for Derek Chauvin to be executred?

 

PH

 

They must be given a chance to exhaust all legal recourse.. But if so many courts agree with the decision to kill him. He deserved it. It is not my nor the courts fault it takes so long. But it is a benefit for the convicted to have such time to try every option to have his sentence changed. 

I would not support killing a murderer quickly to avoid the costs of the time in prison waiting execution. 

So many pro-lifers support the death penalty, that’s always been a mystery to me. Apparently pro-life ends the moment you’re born and after that they don’t give a hoot anymore if you live or die. So mighty Christian of them….

3 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Questions for you:

 

1..If you are going to keep them on death row for 20 years before execution, what is the point of executing them at all?

2..Given he was found guilty of murder, would you be happy for Derek Chauvin to be executred?

 

PH

 

Was Chauvin sentenced to death?

 

 

7 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

So many pro-lifers support the death penalty, that’s always been a mystery to me. Apparently pro-life ends the moment you’re born and after that they don’t give a hoot anymore if you live or die. So mighty Christian of them….

How many pre borns are serial killers burying their victims under the crawl space of his house?

 

Gacy

 

How many pre borns go on a killing rampage of coeds?

 

Bundy

 

 

 

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

How many pre borns are serial killers burying their victims under the crawl space of his house?

 

Gacy

 

How many pre borns go on a killing rampage of coeds?

 

Bundy

 

 

 

If "they" are so called "pre borns" and therefore not born what are they?

48 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

If "they" are so called "pre borns" and therefore not born what are they?

We have both answered your question.  Pre born.

On 12/26/2024 at 3:42 AM, Jingthing said:

How are the people not protected by life in prison sentences?
Trump apparently is drunk with power including the power of the state to murder.

 

because we are paying thousands of $$$ each year to provide and an existance for the scum 

 

Day 1   for about  $1

 

On 12/26/2024 at 3:24 AM, webfact said:

We will be a Nation of Law and Order again!”

Put a sock in it convicted felon TRump.

1 hour ago, Luuk Chaai said:

 

because we are paying thousands of $$$ each year to provide and an existance for the scum 

 

Day 1   for about  $1

 

Life sentence is cheaper than the death penalty.

On 12/26/2024 at 6:23 AM, jimmybcool said:

 

Some would advocate that justice is better served taking the life from evil people.  SOme would advocate that the families of their victims find closure seeing the evil terminated.  It assures society that they will NEVER escape or be released into society again to perpetrate evil again. 

 

It might also deter others with evil intent from acting on their urges.  Yeah, I l know the debate rages as to the deterrent effect.  I don't think most psychos think that far ahead but if their execution was public their whimpering as the needle goes in removes any cool factor the killer had.  They might envision themself in a similar position if they act on evil urges and might control themselves.  No way to know for sure.

 

Lastly, why should society spend millions imprisoning a true scumbag for 40 years when a bullet and cheap grave are available?  Just a thought.

 

 

Theres always a better way!America could partner with Russia.Betcha we’ll still save tax payers money as opposed to incarceration in the USA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Owl

6 hours ago, riclag said:

Theres always a better way!America could partner with Russia.Betcha we’ll still save tax payers money as opposed to incarceration in the USA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Owl

 

This might surprise some here reading my posts.  Yes I am in favor of the death penalty properly applied.  Despite all the nonsense posted it can be a deterrent and can be closure for victims and their families so I favor it.  ANd despite the nonsense it costs more to put them to death that is hogwash.  They are including costs totally unrelated to the actual act.

 

But... and there is always a but.  I am not in favor of uncivilized prisons.  Yes, society has a right to deprive criminals of their freedom or even their life.  But we do not have the right to torture them.  And prison conditions where "prison justice", rape and conditions where they are deprived of human rights are not right.  While incarcerated it is OUR responsibility that they are not victims of criminal acts in custody. 

 

See I am OK with the ultimate sentence of death as determined by society in a legitimate court and carried out without anger.  But if the sentence is 5 years or life either way a prisoner should not be the subject of cruelty.  Their freedom is taken and that means we as a society are responsible for seeing that they are protected from other criminals while we punish them with incarceration.

 

Yeah sounds weird to some but that's how I feel.

 

4 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

This might surprise some here reading my posts.  Yes I am in favor of the death penalty properly applied.  Despite all the nonsense posted it can be a deterrent and can be closure for victims and their families so I favor it.  ANd despite the nonsense it costs more to put them to death that is hogwash.  They are including costs totally unrelated to the actual act.

 

But... and there is always a but.  I am not in favor of uncivilized prisons.  Yes, society has a right to deprive criminals of their freedom or even their life.  But we do not have the right to torture them.  And prison conditions where "prison justice", rape and conditions where they are deprived of human rights are not right.  While incarcerated it is OUR responsibility that they are not victims of criminal acts in custody. 

 

See I am OK with the ultimate sentence of death as determined by society in a legitimate court and carried out without anger.  But if the sentence is 5 years or life either way a prisoner should not be the subject of cruelty.  Their freedom is taken and that means we as a society are responsible for seeing that they are protected from other criminals while we punish them with incarceration.

 

Yeah sounds weird to some but that's how I feel.

 

I agree with the Death Penalty as well but its those die hards that don’t want a eye for a eye or the penalty being a deterrent. Maybe have the criminal decide , death or life in a uncivilized frozen tundra facility!

Just sayin, for the sake of argument!

45 minutes ago, riclag said:

I agree with the Death Penalty as well but its those die hards that don’t want a eye for a eye or the penalty being a deterrent. Maybe have the criminal decide , death or life in a uncivilized frozen tundra facility!

Just sayin, for the sake of argument!

OK if it's a choice for a death row convict.

On 12/27/2024 at 10:52 AM, stevenl said:

Life sentence is cheaper than the death penalty.

Spending per prisoner varies more than tenfold across states, from just under $23,000 per person in Arkansas to $307,468 in Massachusetts. Spending in Massachusetts was more than double any other state; the median state spent $64,865 per prisoner for the year.A

 

Not even close .....

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