Israeli military loosened rules of engagement at start of Gaza war

[simple1]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Legitimate targets as enemy combats are in the vicinity .

When Hamas hide among civilians , those civilians become legitimate casualties of war 

 

As already stated, it's the issue of proportionality which is being questioned by many in the international community and within Israeli society. We all have different positions on morality and ethics in war, personally I believe a official kill ratio of 1:20 is overkill and will act contrary to Israeli long term interests. Surely the blood lust of revenge should be sated by now. One has only to view the hatred on the faces of Gazans after a bombing pulling dead civilians from the wreckage..

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

At one stage Harris authorised "area bombing", another term used was "terror bombing' i.e. deliberate bombing of civilians, the objective being to weaken the morale of the German people, which was a failure  as was the German bombing of UK civilians.

Which has nothing to do with the IDF and its war on terror, Hamas who hide among civilians and in their terror tunnels, a new war strategy never employed before and one which Israel has had to adapt in the face of ongoing missile attacks on Israel from Hamas and other Iran funded terrorists. 

 

Israel’s New Approach to Tunnels: A Paradigm Shift in Underground Warfare

One of the main reasons the IDF were unprepared for Gaza’s underground spaces was simply that no military had faced anything like it in the past—not even Israeli ground forces. The IDF faced a Hamas military organization that had spent over fifteen years engineering the infrastructure of an entire region—to include over twenty major cities—for war, with the group’s political-military strategy resting on a vast and expensively constructed subterranean network under Gaza’s population centers. The Hamas underground network, often called the “Gaza metro,” includes between 350 and 450 miles of tunnels and bunkers at depths ranging from just beneath apartment complexes, mosques, schools, hospitals, and other civilian structures to over two hundred feet underground. There are estimates of over five thousand separate shafts leading down into Hamas subsurface spaces. In past wars, where underground environments were used, the tunnel networks were subordinate to the surface and were not built solely under population centers mostly to be used as massive human shields.

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/israels-new-approach-to-tunnels-a-paradigm-shift-in-underground-warfare/

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

As already stated, it's the issue of proportionality which is being questioned by many in the international community and within Israeli society. We all have different positions on morality and ethics in war, personally I believe a official kill ratio of 1:20 is overkill and will act contrary to Israeli long term interests. Surely the blood lust of revenge should be sated by now. One has only to view the hatred on the faces of Gazans after a bombing pulling dead civilians from the wreckage..

The only blood lust being carried out here is by Hamas, accusations that its being employed by Israel is disgusting and shameful. Perhaps Hamas would be kind enough to release the hostages they have not murdered yet so this could stop and the civilians in Gaza will not have to suffer anymore because of them?

[simple1]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The only blood lust being carried out here is by Hamas, accusations that its being employed by Israel is disgusting and shameful. Perhaps Hamas would be kind enough to release the hostages they have not murdered yet so this could stop and the civilians in Gaza will not have to suffer anymore because of them?

 

Release of hostages is with Netanyahu ownership, plenty of Israelis are claiming he is delaying release for his own political interests i.e. continuing attacks on Gaza and West Bank.

[Nick Carter icp]

27 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

As already stated, it's the issue of proportionality which is being questioned by many in the international community and within Israeli society. We all have different positions on morality and ethics in war, personally I believe a official kill ratio of 1:20 is overkill and will act contrary to Israeli long term interests. Surely the blood lust of revenge should be sated by now. One has only to view the hatred on the faces of Gazans after a bombing pulling dead civilians from the wreckage..

 

   The group responsible for the Oct 7 th terror attack need to be wiped out . Hamas need to be removed from the World so they cannot carry out any further terror attacks .

   Hamas started the war and they all either need to be killed or jailed 

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Release of hostages is with Netanyahu ownership, plenty of Israelis are claiming he is delaying release for his own political interests i.e. continuing attacks on Gaza and West Bank.

There you go the real simple1 outing himself, showing your support for the terrorists who are holding innocent hostages some murdered, children, babies and some raped then putting the onus on Netanyahu. More vile rhetoric from you. There is NO excuse for holding hostages, ever. 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Release of hostages is with Netanyahu ownership, plenty of Israelis are claiming he is delaying release for his own political interests i.e. continuing attacks on Gaza and West Bank.

 

   *Israel should release the hostages *...............we've gone full circle 

[Hawaiian]

44 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There you go the real simple1 outing himself, showing your support for the terrorists who are holding innocent hostages some murdered, children, babies and some raped then putting the onus on Netanyahu. More vile rhetoric from you. There is NO excuse for holding hostages, ever. 

 

 

 

Ditto your comment.

[Yagoda]

18 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

This is a historical inaccuracy made from the perspective of current political sensitivities. The "civilians" were actively involved in the war effort. They were willing participants in a military regime. Children as young as 10 were carrying weapons. Others were  manning AA guns, and working in logistics. Females of all ages were employed as  searchlight operators, of  radio operators, drivers,  logistics clerks. There were no non combatant civilians in the Third Reich.

 

Hamas shares that similarity. The difference though is that the Third Reich did not use their families as shields and did not intentionally sacrifice their own children for publicity  opportunities.

Both the National Socialists and the Bolshevik Socialists forced civilians through mine fields. Thats what Socialists do.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

There you go the real simple1 outing himself, showing your support for the terrorists who are holding innocent hostages some murdered, children, babies and some raped then putting the onus on Netanyahu. More vile rhetoric from you. There is NO excuse for holding hostages, ever. 

 

 

 

He outed himself months ago as a fanatic antisemite. Good thing Trumps crushing victory over the hate ridden and violent leftists caused an exit of antisemites from this Board, but there are still some hanging on spewing their filthy, violent, hatred.

 

BTW there are American hostages being held. I encourage Israel to kill every Gazan man, woman and child capable of bearing arms until they are released.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

As already stated, it's the issue of proportionality which is being questioned by many in the international community and within Israeli society. We all have different positions on morality and ethics in war, personally I believe a official kill ratio of 1:20 is overkill and will act contrary to Israeli long term interests. Surely the blood lust of revenge should be sated by now. One has only to view the hatred on the faces of Gazans after a bombing pulling dead civilians from the wreckage..

Waaaaaaah. The Germans and Japanese hated us too, they grew out of it or at least are now smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

. One has only to view the hatred on the faces of Gazans after a bombing pulling dead civilians from the wreckage..

 

Are these guys in the wrecked buildings in Gaza ?

 

   Gaza, Oct 7 th . Bringing a  hostage back to Gaza

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Are these guys in the wrecked buildings in Gaza ?

Indeed, the “Innocent civilians”

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

On 12/27/2024 at 7:03 PM, simple1 said:

Churchill noted carpet bombing did not break the will of the German people, which was the intent, presumably the same applies to the Israelis. 

Just as the October 7 "Pogrom" didn't break the resolve of the Israeli people.

[Hawaiian]

38 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

He outed himself months ago as a fanatic antisemite. Good thing Trumps crushing victory over the hate ridden and violent leftists caused an exit of antisemites from this Board, but there are still some hanging on spewing their filthy, violent, hatred.

 

BTW there are American hostages being held. I encourage Israel to kill every Gazan man, woman and child capable of bearing arms until they are released.

Come to think about it, there are a few posters missing in action.

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

At one stage Harris authorised "area bombing", another term used was "terror bombing' i.e. deliberate bombing of civilians, the objective being to weaken the morale of the German people, which was a failure  as was the German bombing of UK civilians.

 The RAF strategy forced the Luftwaffe to turn to defensive measures, away from their savage and ruthless  bombing of civilian targets in England.  You are applying your 2024 western sensitivities to a barbaric conflict of almost a century ago. The English strategy of dropping leaflets over German cities did not work very well did it? What's next, the death camps were  holiday camps for errant ne'er do wells?

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 The RAF strategy forced the Luftwaffe to turn to defensive measures, away from their savage and ruthless  bombing of civilian targets in England.  You are applying your 2024 western sensitivities to a barbaric conflict of almost a century ago. The English strategy of dropping leaflets over German cities did not work very well did it? What's next, the death camps were  holiday camps for errant ne'er do wells?

 

Area bombing of Germany commenced 1942. Luftwaffe bombing of UK was already less intense in 1942. As to your personal comment - assumptive nonsense. But we are going way off topic so time to cease this dialogue.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Just as the October 7 "Pogrom" didn't break the resolve of the Israeli people.

 

Sure. Israelis are strong, but thank goodness they have a tough opposition to Netanyahu. 

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Are these guys in the wrecked buildings in Gaza ?

 

   Gaza, Oct 7 th . Bringing a  hostage back to Gaza

 

Would be interesting to get the Israeli figures of Hamas fighters killed. Israelis always claim they know what they're targeting so shouldn't be that difficult.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Would be interesting to get the Israeli figures of Hamas fighters killed. Israelis always claim they know what they're targeting so shouldn't be that difficult.

Easy, 20,000 of the terrorists down so far (that was 2 months ago), that spoilt your Sunday............

 

 

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Waaaaaaah. The Germans and Japanese hated us too, they grew out of it or at least are now smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

 

Both Germany and Japan were occupied, personally I don't believe Israelis will occupy Gaza or all of West Bank. How many  German / Japanese's nationals were executed / imprisoned for war crimes - very few

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Easy, 20,000 of the terrorists down so far (that was 2 months ago), that spoilt your Sunday............

 

 

 

Thanks for clarification, I wonder if the figure includes Hamas non combatants such as nurses, doctors territory administrators and so on. I assume people have to be a member of Hamas to get a government job, I do not support terrorism, no matter the source,  How about ceasing your personal attacks, it's childish and boring

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Thanks for clarification, I wonder if the figure includes Hamas non combatants such as nurses, doctors territory administrators and so on. I assume people have to be a member of Hamas to get a government job, I do not support terrorism, no matter the source,  How about ceasing your personal attacks, it's childish and boring

So you get what you ask for and then still question it. They were Hamas terrorists killed, whether they were doing other jobs part time or just helping their terrorist masters looking after hostages or whatever. Keep up the good work simple1 and don't forget to blame Netanyahu for the hostages.

 

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Release of hostages is with Netanyahu ownership, plenty of Israelis are claiming he is delaying release for his own political interests i.e. continuing attacks on Gaza and West Bank.

And your claim of the Israeli blood lust.........

 

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

As already stated, it's the issue of proportionality which is being questioned by many in the international community and within Israeli society. We all have different positions on morality and ethics in war, personally I believe a official kill ratio of 1:20 is overkill and will act contrary to Israeli long term interests. Surely the blood lust of revenge should be sated by now. One has only to view the hatred on the faces of Gazans after a bombing pulling dead civilians from the wreckage..

 

Cease my personal attacks? I made none, just stating facts.

[Ben Zioner]

34 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Sure. Israelis are strong, but thank goodness they have a tough opposition to Netanyahu. 

Only illness will get Bibi. Not too early I hope.

[Nick Carter icp]

50 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Would be interesting to get the Israeli figures of Hamas fighters killed. Israelis always claim they know what they're targeting so shouldn't be that difficult.

 

   About 20 000 Hamas members killed is Israel estimate .

That info has been widely reported and can easily be found doing a webseach 

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

And your claim of the Israeli blood lust...

 

I was referring to the Israeli Far Right and Netanyahu

[Bkk Brian]

24 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I was referring to the Israeli Far Right and Netanyahu

No you weren't. You didn't say that then. Like I said vile and disgusting. The only group here with blood lust are the Hamas terrorists who even filmed themselves for proof and continue to hold innocent hostages. Those they've not executed that is. The horrific torture and sexual abuse these hostages have been through including children is beyond words. 

[simple1]

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you weren't. You didn't say that then. Like I said vile and disgusting. The only group here with blood lust are the Hamas terrorists who even filmed themselves for proof and continue to hold innocent hostages. Those they've not executed that is. The horrific torture and sexual abuse these hostages have been through including children is beyond words. 

 

You're ridiculous to claim knowing what's in my mind. All the rest of your post is well know, really don't see the point in repeating content that's been reported many times. The contention is Israeli ongoing killing and destruction in Gaza and West Bank. As the saying goes you cannot kill an ideology. Personally I strongly disagree with the ongoing killing and destruction by Netanyahu as he appears not to have any solution to a decades long co0nflict other than killing which will not bring about a lasting peace; especially with the continuing expansion of settlements in the West Bank.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

You're ridiculous to claim knowing what's in my mind. All the rest of your post is well know, really don't see the point in repeating content that's been reported many times. The contention is Israeli ongoing killing and destruction in Gaza and West Bank. As the saying goes you cannot kill an ideology. Personally I strongly disagree with the ongoing killing and destruction by Netanyahu as he appears not to have any solution to a decades long co0nflict other than killing which will not bring about a lasting peace; especially with the continuing expansion of settlements in the West Bank.

I know what you wrote. If you did not have that in mind when you wrote it then you should have not written it. Simple

 

There you go again, ranting with the rest of your post and neglecting who the real perpetrators of the blood lust are. Expected from you.

[impulse]

On 12/27/2024 at 8:18 PM, simple1 said:

Rules of engagement permitted killing 20 civilians for one Hamas member, I call that deliberately killing civilians, probably would also be defined a War Crime.

 

Leaving aside the morality question, the math just doesn't work out when you create 20 families of terrorists for that one you took out.