Why some of us did not get COVID symptoms …even though we were exposed.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Flyguy330 said:

If I can butt in on this heated debate....I have a question.

 

In the early days of Covid the anti-vaxxers claimed it was all a hoax and there was no virus. The most extreme types were even pushing the off-the-wall belief that viruses don't even exist, and that they are part of the hoax too. I'm sure some still believe that, maybe right here in this thread. Plenty are in denial about HIV for example.

 

Anyhow, aside from all the conspiracy theories and denials, one thing has always puzzled me. This disease (the Covid virus) was affirmed to exist by nations like China, Russia, North Korea - all 'rivals' or 'adversaries' (or even open enemies) of the West. They all developed Covid vaccines and mandated them for their populace.

They engaged in lockdowns which heavily damaged their economies, just like the West - when they had a God given opportunity to smash Western military and economic dominance.

 

It amazes me that those nations would 'buy into' a hoax invented in the West, one which had the possibility of actually weakening their resistance against Western domination and power. If they believed it was truly all a hoax meant to weaken them wouldn't they have been screaming it from the rooftops, rather than slavishly abiding by it?

 

Sure, some will say the dictators like to exercise total control over their populace, and this disease gave them even more power over their people.

But why use a method which ultimately weakens them?

 

Now, I expect to hear the claim that 'the elites of the planet' are all one, and all act in concert, and all the global rivalries are mere theatre, to keep the masses docile. Perhaps so. So you begin to see where these conspiracy theories ultimately take us. It's not about 'a virus' or a vaccine - we're actually talking about 'The Illuminati' and their control over humanity.

 

Do you see where this rabbit hole leads? If you buy into the least of it, you buy into ALL of the rest too.

Total insanity.

You have a point.  Why would Russia, China, or North Korea be in on it, if it was a Globalist scam?   Maybe they were?  Or maybe the entire subject was over their heads and they didn't know any better?  After all, it's the politicians who are in charge, not the scientists. And it should be obvious that the politicians usually have other things to worry about. 

 

Years ago, I took some curses in Microbiology and Medical Microbiology.  The teacher was one of the world experts.  I wasn't majoring in the field, but there ws a totally hot girl in the classes, so I signed up and managed to get OK grades. Anyway, I'm sure I've forgotten 99% of what I'm supposed to know, but I do know this:  there probably aren't too many people I the world who actually understand the subject.  The rest just look up the "studies" and go along with the program.  Maybe a small group of people fooled the world? People whose agenda included depopulation of the planet. 

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

If I can butt in on this heated debate....I have a question.

 

In the early days of Covid the anti-vaxxers claimed it was all a hoax and there was no virus. The most extreme types were even pushing the off-the-wall belief that viruses don't even exist, and that they are part of the hoax too. I'm sure some still believe that, maybe right here in this thread. Plenty are in denial about HIV for example.

 

Anyhow, aside from all the conspiracy theories and denials, one thing has always puzzled me. This disease (the Covid virus) was affirmed to exist by nations like China, Russia, North Korea - all 'rivals' or 'adversaries' (or even open enemies) of the West. They all developed Covid vaccines and mandated them for their populace.

They engaged in lockdowns which heavily damaged their economies, just like the West - when they had a God given opportunity to smash Western military and economic dominance.

 

It amazes me that those nations would 'buy into' a hoax invented in the West, one which had the possibility of actually weakening their resistance against Western domination and power. If they believed it was truly all a hoax meant to weaken them wouldn't they have been screaming it from the rooftops, rather than slavishly abiding by it?

 

Sure, some will say the dictators like to exercise total control over their populace, and this disease gave them even more power over their people.

But why use a method which ultimately weakens them?

 

Now, I expect to hear the claim that 'the elites of the planet' are all one, and all act in concert, and all the global rivalries are mere theatre, to keep the masses docile. Perhaps so. So you begin to see where these conspiracy theories ultimately take us. It's not about 'a virus' or a vaccine - we're actually talking about 'The Illuminati' and their control over humanity.

 

Do you see where this rabbit hole leads? If you buy into the least of it, you buy into ALL of the rest too.

Total insanity.

Finally someone posts something of substance about the issue aside from pro or con vax or conspiracy of the day. In reality the world health organizations (not WHO) throughout the world recognized the potential impact of this type virus, how it penetrates the cell membranes and attaches itself allowing for replication and advances to other bodily systems and the damage it was capable of doing. Virus' being what they are and their ability to mutate to be stronger or weaker is never known nor was the mutation cycle.  

 

As this was an unknown frontier with no history to fall back on it was a world changing situation, literally for every country, friend or foe. A number of questionable decisions were being made but without the benefit of hindsight many decisions were made using the only available data at the time. 

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

32 minutes ago, Dan O said:

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As this was an unknown frontier with no history to fall back on it was a world changing situation, literally for every country, friend or foe. A number of questionable decisions were being made but without the benefit of hindsight many decisions were made using the only available data at the time.

 Not buying your lame excuse...

[atpeace]

5 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

I see what YOU are doing. You're misdirecting readers to a different debate now, about 'choice'. Stick to the point.

What has your post got to do with the nuts who say the virus never existed - and nor indeed does any other virus exist? And the disease was all a hoax by Big Pharma.

Trump was all on board with it - the arch hater of China (which was on board with it too). Funny that.

 

 

You have no clue what I'm  doing. You are  trying to redirect this thread into debating what fringe groups believed. 

 

 In your demented mind this thread is about "nuts who say the virus never existed".  You're a weird dude that lets his imagination overrules reality.  Get a grip or just carry on posting your usual tripe.  

[Flyguy330]

I have a total of 133 posts on this forum (134 now).

You have over 2,000.

I think we can clearly see who posts more tripe and is demented.

[ericbj]

A book that might help to enlighten the debates surrounding Covid-19 as well as offering insights as to how to deal with future pandemics:

'Disease X'
https://philipmcmillan.substack.com/p/disease-x-book-reviewed-by-ai

 

Have not read it, so cannot myself comment upon it.  Merely drawing attention to its existence.

 

Several years ago I heard Bill Gates tell us to expect another pandemic in 2025; and thought initially the WHO's failed attempt to ramp up the monkey-pox narrative was the prelude to this.

 

Have no idea whether Bill Gates' spiel is still on-line, and if so where.  But clearly to judge from his promotion of Event 201, which took place in October 2019, he has an uncanny ability to foresee potential future pandemics:

https://www.weforum.org/press/2019/10/live-simulation-exercise-to-prepare-public-and-private-leaders-for-pandemic-response/

 

It seems Bill G.'s collaborators on Event 201 have restricted access to one of their learned papers, so we have to go to archive.org to recover it:

'The SPARS Pandemic 2025-2028'
https://ia902805.us.archive.org/25/items/spars-2025a-2028/spars 2025a2028_text.pdf

 

 

 

 

[atpeace]

8 hours ago, transam said:

Which is no problem, is it..........🤗

For some it obviously was and they are finally being allowed to express their opinion without being slammed.  I personally didn't have a problem with it and still think the vaccinations were beneficial but to what extent I'm unsure.  The wife and I certainly didn't need to be vaccinated IMO but were basically forced to get at least 2 jabs.  Well, I was forced she would have been vaccinated regardless.

 

Funny - think this thread is more about just releasing the anxiety that was imposed on many that weren't allowed to express themselves for years.

 

 

[atpeace]

24 minutes ago, Flyguy330 said:

I have a total of 133 posts on this forum (134 now).

You have over 2,000.

I think we can clearly see who posts more tripe and is demented.

Does anyone remember Jeffr during peak covid? A nasty individual with a tiny mind. 

 

Some earie similarities between him and both Flyguy and Dan O.  Think he has returned as a two headed monster.  You would think two heads are better than one but it seems this monster is still a bore.

[Airalee]

On 12/29/2024 at 6:54 PM, Flyguy330 said:

By the way, we have friends and family members who contracted it and died.

Wow!  You too?

 

How many pro-vax posters are we up to in the “I had friends and family who died” club?

 

Lets all have a group hug.

 

 

[rumak]

5 hours ago, jas007 said:

 Maybe a small group of people fooled the world? People whose agenda included depopulation of the planet. 

 

The next one is COMING !   WILL the sheep BE FOOLED AGAIN ?

 

 https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/

PSYOP-SCAMDEMIC RISING: "Health Emergency" Declarations, Lockdowns, Masking & Never-Ending DEATHVAX™

 

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 Not buying your lame excuse...

I don't care what you think or believe. You've already shown how little you know about facts or how to identify false information and have no problem presenting it as truthful. 

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Wow!  You too?

 

How many pro-vax posters are we up to in the “I had friends and family who died” club?

 

Lets all have a group hug.

 

 

Ignorance knows no boundaries does it 

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Does anyone remember Jeffr during peak covid? A nasty individual with a tiny mind. 

 

Some earie similarities between him and both Flyguy and Dan O.  Think he has returned as a two headed monster.  You would think two heads are better than one but it seems this monster is still a bore.

No clue what the hell your talking about. Did you forget to take your medicine again as your babbling nonsense

[Dan O]

8 hours ago, atpeace said:

Yep I posted pictures of those terminally ill in hospitals years ago on this very forum to make a point.   95% were  in very poor physical health.  Possibly the hospitals had daily all you can eat buffets.  

I call bs on you and your posted  claims  

[Airalee]

52 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Ignorance knows no boundaries does it 

I thought you were done with me in this thread.

 

Apparently not.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

Does anyone remember Jeffr during peak covid? A nasty individual with a tiny mind. 

 

Some earie similarities between him and both Flyguy and Dan O.  Think he has returned as a two headed monster.  You would think two heads are better than one but it seems this monster is still a bore.

 

He was a piece of work, to say the least. Got a few on him. He returned to the US to get vaxxed and no one ever heard of him again.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, rumak said:

 

The next one is COMING !   WILL the sheep BE FOOLED AGAIN ?

 

 https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/

PSYOP-SCAMDEMIC RISING: "Health Emergency" Declarations, Lockdowns, Masking & Never-Ending DEATHVAX™

 

 

Our friend Peter Hotez lays out the intentions crystal clear. I personally don't believe for a second it's going to happen, Covid was a one-shot and these guys are now nothing more than grotesque clowns. But hey, we'll see:

 

 

[Airalee]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

He was a piece of work, to say the least. Got a few on him. He returned to the US to get vaxxed and no one ever heard of him again.

 

 

Check out the threads it started and/or contributed to.  Almost everything was Covid related with close to 10,000 posts in about 18 months of membership.

 

I’d bet it was getting paid and I suspect it wasn’t the only one.

 

Am I using the correct pronouns?

[Hawaiian]

12 hours ago, Dan O said:

It was still their choice , and they could have said no if they felt strongly against it. Military to my knowledge are the only ones with no choice.  Unfortunately choices come with consequences sometimes. 

"other than some very limited occupations like military service there was always a choice to get vaxed or not."  Either they had a choice or they did not.  Which is it?

No one was strapped down and forced to receive a COVID shot, but there were consequences for refusing.  Over 8,000 U.S. service members were discharged for refusing.  In January of 2023 the DOD rescinded the mandatory vaccine order because of a drastic drop in recruitment.  Only 43 former members decided to rejoin the service.

[Airalee]

34 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

"other than some very limited occupations like military service there was always a choice to get vaxed or not."  Either they had a choice or they did not.  Which is it?

No one was strapped down and forced to receive a COVID shot, but there were consequences for refusing.  Over 8,000 U.S. service members were discharged for refusing.  In January of 2023 the DOD rescinded the mandatory vaccine order because of a drastic drop in recruitment.  Only 43 former members decided to rejoin the service.

 

[rattlesnake]

13 hours ago, Dan O said:

It was still their choice , and they could have said no if they felt strongly against it. Military to my knowledge are the only ones with no choice.  Unfortunately choices come with consequences sometimes. 

 

Fallacious reasoning and wording: technically, they did have the possibility to not get vaccinated, but at great cost. It wasn't a case of simply saying "no thanks" and carrying on as normal. Refusal to receive the jab, for most people, resulted in immediate termination of employment and the quasi-impossibility of finding a new job, in an already very precarious situation following the lockdowns. This matches the legal definition of coercion.

[rumak]

We are indeed the heroes !   Instead of being finally declared so , after all the abuse hurled at us......... there are still some very vocal holdouts pasting and posting the lies from 3 years ago.  

Top prize so far goes to the instant classic :   "You were not forced .  You might have been coerced... but you were not forced "  .  ( please raise your hand and come get your prize )  

No, it was not you Too Tall .  Sit down please........

[Mark Nothing]

 

The reason some of us did not get covid even though exposed is because the medical theories peddled on us as true, are in fact, flat out false.

 

The Holy Bible teaches us what happens to those who worship false idols, which was clearly on display, by the 70% of hypochondriacs who were hypnotized by their medical deity and would have gone to any length of obedience to make their false idol happy.

 

The solution I chose was a daily prayer thanking God almighty for health and vitality and ignored the fear drivel.  The immune system kicks into full power by combining the mind body connection, making the body impervious to the nonsense.

 

The Bible says the diseases of the pharoahs will not affect those who follow the principles of the Bible.  This means you are the author of your own health, and by changing your thinking you can change your health.

[Hawaiian]

30 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

 

The reason some of us did not get covid even though exposed is because the medical theories peddled on us as true, are in fact, flat out false.

 

The Holy Bible teaches us what happens to those who worship false idols, which was clearly on display, by the 70% of hypochondriacs who were hypnotized by their medical deity and would have gone to any length of obedience to make their false idol happy.

 

The solution I chose was a daily prayer thanking God almighty for health and vitality and ignored the fear drivel.  The immune system kicks into full power by combining the mind body connection, making the body impervious to the nonsense.

 

The Bible says the diseases of the pharoahs will not affect those who follow the principles of the Bible.  This means you are the author of your own health, and by changing your thinking you can change your health.

May the Lord be with you.

[Dan O]

6 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

"other than some very limited occupations like military service there was always a choice to get vaxed or not."  Either they had a choice or they did not.  Which is it?

No one was strapped down and forced to receive a COVID shot, but there were consequences for refusing.  Over 8,000 U.S. service members were discharged for refusing.  In January of 2023 the DOD rescinded the mandatory vaccine order because of a drastic drop in recruitment.  Only 43 former members decided to rejoin the service.

posting more twisted bs when you have no valid argument to defend you lame statements you deflect and gaslight the issue , pathetic

 

Military personnel have always been required to take any number of vaccines as part of service without choice as part of enlistment. They were the only profession to my knowledge that had no choice. Yes in 2023 at the basic end of the mass infection was it changed. My comments were pretty clear, I guess you are too thick to comprehend English is that the case here?   others had a choice, that may have come with consequences if they said no but that is not being forced. Is that simple enough for you to understand?  Your group just like t try to argue any point you can and when you cant you deflect from your original statements. 

[Dan O]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Fallacious reasoning and wording: technically, they did have the possibility to not get vaccinated, but at great cost. It wasn't a case of simply saying "no thanks" and carrying on as normal. Refusal to receive the jab, for most people, resulted in immediate termination of employment and the quasi-impossibility of finding a new job, in an already very precarious situation following the lockdowns. This matches the legal definition of coercion.

Not really fallacious reasoning in the least, unless you can't understand basic english. Do you even know the meaning of that term ? 

 

If an employer said you need a vax or you cant work and you felt opposed to it you had the right to say no and they had the right to fire you. That isn't "forced", its unfortunate situation but that's it. The employers have rights for health standards just as employees have a right to leave, its not slave labor. The medical profession is full of health related requirements to be able to work and you are told that going into the position. The same with other industries and public service. Traveling is another, depending on what country you come from and go to you may be required to obtain vaccinations or no entry. No one forced you to get the vax, you either do it so you can travel to that country or go elsewhere if you dont want to. Pretty simple really. Life is full of choices so grow a pair and deal with life. 

 

Not coercion in any way (except as your pathetic excuse), they had a choice and made it. No one held a gun or knife and said do it or die. If you crybabies that were and are so worried about the effects of any vaccination or medication, you have a choice that may come with consequences, so get over your ego and deal with reality. 

 

Just to be clear I have never advocated anyone should be vaxxed, its a personal choice thats difficult enough to weed thru facts and when the wingnuts start adding false information and misleading information it makes it even worse and dangerous in some instances.

[Red Phoenix]

35 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Not really fallacious reasoning in the least, unless you can't understand basic english. Do you even know the meaning of that term ? 

 

If an employer said you need a vax or you cant work and you felt opposed to it you had the right to say no and they had the right to fire you. That isn't "forced", its unfortunate situation but that's it. The employers have rights for health standards just as employees have a right to leave, its not slave labor. The medical profession is full of health related requirements to be able to work and you are told that going into the position. The same with other industries and public service. Traveling is another, depending on what country you come from and go to you may be required to obtain vaccinations or no entry. No one forced you to get the vax, you either do it so you can travel to that country or go elsewhere if you dont want to. Pretty simple really. Life is full of choices so grow a pair and deal with life. 

 

Not coercion in any way (except as your pathetic excuse), they had a choice and made it. No one held a gun or knife and said do it or die. If you crybabies that were and are so worried about the effects of any vaccination or medication, you have a choice that may come with consequences, so get over your ego and deal with reality. 

 

Just to be clear I have never advocated anyone should be vaxxed, its a personal choice thats difficult enough to weed thru facts and when the wingnuts start adding false information and misleading information it makes it even worse and dangerous in some instances.

 

With that rant about 'free choice' you probably imagine yourself as Last man standing for Reason against the 'crybaby's', idiots, anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. 

But all you have done is exposing yourself as an angry virtue-signalling deluded fool trying - and failing - to straight-talk what is crooked.

Coercing people into taking dangerous, non-effective and totally unnecessary experimental shots can never be justified, and doing so by arguing that 'they had a choice' is literally adding insult to injury. 

[Dan O]

11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

With that rant about 'free choice' you probably imagine yourself as Last man standing for Reason against the 'crybaby's', idiots, anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. 

But all you have done is exposing yourself as an angry virtue-signalling deluded fool trying - and failing - to straight-talk what is crooked.

Coercing people into taking dangerous, non-effective and totally unnecessary experimental shots can never be justified, and doing so by arguing that 'they had a choice' is literally adding insult to injury. 

You have just written the stupidest reply and has no basis in anything I wrote. You should learn to ready or not post if that's tge best you could conjure up to deflect because you have no real response. 

 

Pro-choice isn't just for abortions its for any vax, medication, medical treatment and I have never said anything otherwise. You make a choice based on your belief but you live with the choice you make. Thats not virtue signalling its common sense which seems to elude some people. As far as your reply it seems you may have some moral issues to deal with though. 

[atpeace]

13 hours ago, Dan O said:

I call bs on you and your posted  claims  

Oh, OK people that were hospitalized with Covid were the picture of health.  I guess that is your "follow the science" understanding.  I w0uld rather go with reality but whatever floats your boat.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Oh, OK people of Covid were the picture of health.  I guess that is your "follow the science" understanding.  I w0uld rather go with reality but whatever floats your boat.

You obviously know nothing, just remember stuff for your agenda, try doing some Googling, if you are capable.......🙄