Opinion : Why is the Dem party so toxic?

[khunJam]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

The only loser here is you, you just can't let go, bringing up the same ol' tosh, why don't you just move on, come back in 4 years time to spout your continuous nonsense.......

Why are you reading continuous nonsense? 

[transam]

1 minute ago, khunJam said:

Why are you reading continuous nonsense? 

Sunbeam, I don't know it's nonsense until I've read it..........🙄

[khunJam]

Just now, transam said:

Sunbeam, I don't know it's nonsense until I've read it..........🙄

Moonbeam, surely you must have had an inkling of it…….🌞

[johnnybangkok]

23 minutes ago, riclag said:

For this topic & thread ,its about the losers, the party that was once called the party of JFK the same party that flaunted Martin Luther King civil rights movement and his dream that one day 

his children would be judged by their character and not their color of their skin, the opposite of DEI.

The extreme left of Biden, Harris and Obama and the activist pretending to

be journalist working for the many MSM outlets lost in a big way, and those four categories in the OP , is indicative of why!

 

I thought a career democrat , who could of run for Potus said it best…

 

“As Joe Manchin prepares to leave Congress after nearly 15 years, the West Virginia senator — who left the Democratic Party and registered as an independent earlier this year — is further distancing himself from his former party, calling the Democratic brand “toxic”.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/22/politics/video/manchin-outgoing-intv-democratic-party-ip-digvid

So let's get this straight. You post a highly contentious topic of 'why is the dem party so toxic' and get your usual fan boys to jump in with their usual partisan nonsense but when someone rightly points out the hypocracy of what you are saying (in a calm and non-confrontational manner) you immediately resort to type calling them 'losers' and 'extreme left'.

I would suggest it's YOU that's the extremist here - unable to put together any coherant argument other than what you hear from Fox News which is roughly 'we won, you lost, what a loser!' like a 12 year old kid. You exemplify identity politics in everything you post but fail to see your own indoctrination. And don't get me started on your inability to put together a proper paragraph or understand the 'Paste as plain text instead' button at the bottom of the box. 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, khunJam said:

Moonbeam, surely you must have had an inkling of it…….🌞

Inklings are guesses, I don't do guesses, I'll leave that to you....😉

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Why is the Dem party so toxic?

 

A more interesting question might be......

 

"If the Dem Party is so toxic, why did Trump only enjoy a slender majority in the popular vote"?

LOL. I suppose that is a variation on the complaint the first time that he didn't win the popular vote.

Does it matter that he didn't win the popular vote by a larger margin? He still WON. Hurrah that Harris didn't.

[bubblegum]

Every single topic started by riclag is a trolling post.

[SunnyinBangrak]

57 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Every single topic started by riclag is a trolling post.

Considering he is one of the very few posters to have been on the factually correct side of all the major political issues over the past decade, at great risk, it would pay to listen to him. Or do people actually enjoy being factually wrong about all major stories?

[TedG]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

I wonder why right-wingers create stupid insults barely disguised as stupid questions.

Link?

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I suppose that is a variation on the complaint the first time that he didn't win the popular vote.

Does it matter that he didn't win the popular vote by a larger margin? He still WON. Hurrah that Harris didn't.

 

It is an indication that the Dems are not toxic......obviously the electoral college badly distorts the outcome and gives the impression of a resounding win.....

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

Link?

 

Every single thread started by riclag in the past six months.

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Every single topic started by riclag is a trolling post.

Whoops......just stated almost the same.....freaky.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You think that red meat ruins your liver.  Nuff said.

If you were on a college debate team, you would always, inevitably, unquestionably come in at last place. Your ability to follow a train of thought is almost non-existent. 

[connda]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just remember this isn't the UN Security Council.

Well, it sorta is.  Only a handful of members have veto powers.  (wink wink) 

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Every single topic started by riclag is a trolling post.

 

I don't understand how he gets away with it.

[LosLobo]

3 hours ago, mokwit said:

Yes, absolutely was the case during the war in US and UK, but the Nazis did it on assuming power as a matter of ideology. Industry must serve the state. Hitler met with the leaders of Industry on his first or second day in office to assure them of his intentions (i.e. not state takeover) but it was them coming cap in hand to him, not as the fable goes, the industrial leaders being behind the rise of the Nazis as they saw war profits ahead. Donations to the Nazi party were a matter of pragmatism and against Communism.

 

arguments as to whether the NSDAP was Left or Right really depends on your definitions.Socialist as defined by intellectuals, it was not, it was however a grassroots working class nationalist party that also attracted the middle classes, as much/more as a bulwark against communism than even Nationalist ideology.

 

The Left will go out of their way to deny that the NSDAP was a party of the masses or use a definition of Socialism that suits. Anything to carry on the myth that it was supported by big business with war profits in mind and thus that the Right as supposedly the party of Capitalism/big business creates war. Large scale organised capitalism actually reduced wars as economies wealth could be expanded without conquering territory.

The Nazis used "socialism" only as a populist tool to gain support, but their core ideology was far-right: nationalism, authoritarianism, and anti-communism.

Business leaders supported Hitler to maintain power, not out of love for capitalism or to prevent state control—they benefited from state contracts under fascist regulation. The idea that capitalism reduces wars is oversimplified; big business thrives in war economies, as seen with the Nazis.

The NSDAP was not a "working-class nationalist" party but a far-right, authoritarian regime with a dangerous agenda.

[novacova]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

I don't understand how he gets away with it.

You seem bothered.

[connda]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

For this topic & thread ,its about the losers, the party that was once called the party of JFK the same party that flaunted Martin Luther King civil rights movement and his dream that one day 

his children would be judged by their character and not their color of their skin, the opposite of DEI.

The extreme left of Biden, Harris and Obama and the activist pretending to

be journalist working for the many MSM outlets lost in a big way, and those four categories in the OP , is indicative of why!

 

I thought a career democrat , who could of run for Potus said it best…

 

“As Joe Manchin prepares to leave Congress after nearly 15 years, the West Virginia senator — who left the Democratic Party and registered as an independent earlier this year — is further distancing himself from his former party, calling the Democratic brand “toxic”.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/22/politics/video/manchin-outgoing-intv-democratic-party-ip-digvid

This is why I love this graphic - it's so fitting.  And it is me.  I voted Democrats or for third-party independents most of my life when I felt their values aligned with mine.  I considered myself an old-school liberal (still do), and yet here on this forum, a whole bunch of the usual suspects have referred to me in terms like "Trump supporter" and "MAGA lover."  I despise predatory capitalism but I'm 100% small business capitalism. I'm pro-worker but not necessarily pro-union.  I was a member of a union once and it sure as hell looked out for the pocket-books of its top members - the rest of us?  Not so much.  Not much difference between a union boss and a corporate executive: they both can be predatory and only look after their own interests. I'm pro-immigration: legal immigration, all those who came in the back door at the expense of those waiting in line legally need to be deported asap.  I'm pro-social-safety net. That doesn't mean I'm a socialist - I'm not.  I'm pro-universal healthcare - privatization of health care is predatory as is the US' current health care system.  I'm pro-H-1B visa to fill in the high-tech STEM skill-sets that are not available in the US population - not to step in front of the line and take jobs from Americans with the same skills. I don't care who you sleep with, or what sex you want to pretend to be, but you can shove your pronouns and leave the children the hell alone.  And I don't like either major party in the US now - I see them as the Uni-Party.  And I believe in term limits and drastic campaign finance reform - $1.5 BILLION dollars spend on Harris presidential bid?  $100 million alone from one donor to Trump!  Millions provided by PACs for congressional candidate?  Elections can be bought by the highest bidders - that needs to end. 

So - I'm a "far-right-wing, MAGA, Trump-lover?"  Nope.  But I'm still an old-school liberal which makes me a traditional conservative - everything the far-left and progressives hate. Yep - that's "me" right there.  And the progressive left wayyyyyyyy over there, "Bigot!" 

Exactly.

Then you wonder why people are now crossing party lines and leaving the Democrat party as well as Blue States. 

 

[Will B Good]

20 minutes ago, novacova said:

You seem bothered.

 

Can’t sleep.

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Perhaps a better question would be, "Why are toxic people so attracted to the Democrat party?".

Another stupid "when did you stop feeding your wife" question.

[KhaoTakiab]

4 hours ago, mokwit said:

Yes, absolutely was the case during the war in US and UK, but the Nazis did it on assuming power as a matter of ideology. Industry must serve the state. Hitler met with the leaders of Industry on his first or second day in office to assure them of his intentions (i.e. not state takeover) but it was them coming cap in hand to him, not as the fable goes, the industrial leaders being behind the rise of the Nazis as they saw war profits ahead. Donations to the Nazi party were a matter of pragmatism and against Communism.

 

arguments as to whether the NSDAP was Left or Right really depends on your definitions.Socialist as defined by intellectuals, it was not, it was however a grassroots working class nationalist party that also attracted the middle classes, as much/more as a bulwark against communism than even Nationalist ideology.

 

The Left will go out of their way to deny that the NSDAP was a party of the masses or use a definition of Socialism that suits. Anything to carry on the myth that it was supported by big business with war profits in mind and thus that the Right as supposedly the party of Capitalism/big business creates war. Large scale organised capitalism actually reduced wars as economies wealth could be expanded without conquering territory.

 

I don't disagree with most of your statements, except:

"The Left will go out of their way to deny that the NSDAP was a party of the masses etc.."

 

I am leftwing and I would never try to deny these facts, nor would any of my leftwing - or rightwing - friends. 

 

"Large scale organised capitalism actually reduced wars.."

 

Maybe true, but a little old school whataboutery to start of the new year:

England has been at war with almost every country currently in the UN 😉

 

 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, KhaoTakiab said:

I don't disagree with most of your statements, except:

"The Left will go out of their way to deny that the NSDAP was a party of the masses etc.."

 

I am leftwing and I would never try to deny these facts, nor would any of my leftwing - or rightwing - friends. 

 

"Large scale organised capitalism actually reduced wars.."

 

Maybe true, but a little old school whataboutery to start of the new year:

England has been at war with almost every country currently in the UN 😉

 

 

 

They started it.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

If you were on a college debate team, you would always, inevitably, unquestionably come in at last place. Your ability to follow a train of thought is almost non-existent. 

Im not on a college debate team, I am arguing with intellectual lightweights on the Internet. Like guys that expound that a steak is bad for your liver, or that Trump is a Russian asset, or that Joe Biden doesnt lie.

[LosLobo]

53 minutes ago, connda said:

This is why I love this graphic - it's so fitting.  And it is me.  I voted Democrats or for third-party independents most of my life when I felt their values aligned with mine.  I considered myself an old-school liberal (still do), and yet here on this forum, a whole bunch of the usual suspects have referred to me in terms like "Trump supporter" and "MAGA lover."  I despise predatory capitalism but I'm 100% small business capitalism. I'm pro-worker but not necessarily pro-union.  I was a member of a union once and it sure as hell looked out for the pocket-books of its top members - the rest of us?  Not so much.  Not much difference between a union boss and a corporate executive: they both can be predatory and only look after their own interests. I'm pro-immigration: legal immigration, all those who came in the back door at the expense of those waiting in line legally need to be deported asap.  I'm pro-social-safety net. That doesn't mean I'm a socialist - I'm not.  I'm pro-universal healthcare - privatization of health care is predatory as is the US' current health care system.  I'm pro-H-1B visa to fill in the high-tech STEM skill-sets that are not available in the US population - not to step in front of the line and take jobs from Americans with the same skills. I don't care who you sleep with, or what sex you want to pretend to be, but you can shove your pronouns and leave the children the hell alone.  And I don't like either major party in the US now - I see them as the Uni-Party.  And I believe in term limits and drastic campaign finance reform - $1.5 BILLION dollars spend on Harris presidential bid?  $100 million alone from one donor to Trump!  Millions provided by PACs for congressional candidate?  Elections can be bought by the highest bidders - that needs to end. 

So - I'm a "far-right-wing, MAGA, Trump-lover?"  Nope.  But I'm still an old-school liberal which makes me a traditional conservative - everything the far-left and progressives hate. Yep - that's "me" right there.  And the progressive left wayyyyyyyy over there, "Bigot!" 

Exactly.

Then you wonder why people are now crossing party lines and leaving the Democrat party as well as Blue States. 

 

Funny how your 'old-school liberal' values always seem to mirror far-right talking points.

[scottiejohn]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Another stupid "when did you stop feeding your wife" question.

I think/hope you meant "when did you stop feeding beating your wife" question!

[spidermike007]

25 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Im not on a college debate team, I am arguing with intellectual lightweights on the Internet. Like guys that expound that a steak is bad for your liver, or that Trump is a Russian asset, or that Joe Biden doesnt lie.

Trump is a Russian asset. Period. He is bought and paid for by Putin. Just watch. You will see. He is NOT who you think he is. 

[TedG]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a Russian asset. Period. He is bought and paid for by Putin. Just watch. You will see. He is NOT who you think he is. 

 

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/trump-campaign-press-release-fact-trump-has-been-tougher-russia-than-biden

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

 

 

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, TedG said:

 

This is the result. 

 

Economic growth

Australia's economy grew 0.2% in the June quarter of 2024, but GDP per capita has been falling for six quarters in a row. The economy has been shrinking per person for almost two years, which is the longest downturn since the 1991 recession. 

Financial hardship

In January 2024, 34.2% of Australians reported having difficulty making ends meet, which is the highest rate since February 2020. 

 

61% of Americans are reporting financial difficulty. 40% struggle to make ends meet month to month.

 

Australia's gross government debt is just under $900 billion, $600 billion in American dollars. The US debt is $38 trillion.

 

All ratings agencies - S&P, Moody's etc. have Australia on a AAA credit rating.

 

You'll have to try harder if you want to impress me with numbers. Trump will add almost $6 trillion in his next term, which is ten times Australia's current debt.

[Airalee]

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Link?

I see what you did there 😅

[Airalee]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

If you were on a college debate team, you would always, inevitably, unquestionably come in at last place. Your ability to follow a train of thought is almost non-existent. 

Oh…this is rich coming from the guy who has long winded comments stored on his computer in order to (re)post them time and time again.