American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

GammaGlobulin · January 3

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Complete conjecture on all facets of your comment...

If this motorcyclist was speeding, there would be damage to the bike - however, the absense of damage to the motorcycle suggest it wasn't even dropped... its possible this was a very low impact.

Agreed....

Were you on the debate team at high school when you were young?

Just wondering because,

In a previous comment you stated that you would not reply to my comments.

And now, here is another one.

Just curious, is all.....

MalcolmB · January 3

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

A flawed headline is your proof - your education has failed you.

The lady was not killed by the American - she died in an accident.

With a basic education, one would understand to write "A pedestrian crossing the road was fatally injured in a collision with a motorcycle".....

A flawed headline.

A link with “no extra information “

An apology from the American who accepted responsibility.

It seems everyone agrees here including the killer but you, as usual, want to make up your own version of events to suit your narrative.

You are a strange character. Not everything has to be a debate or argument in life Richard.

richard_smith237 · January 3

15 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

So you are taking your news from the facebook comments of Thai's who were not at the scene... its no surprise to me that you can be so outrageously dim.

You act as if you read the 240 comments on the Facebook but you didn’t.

If you had of you would have seen first responders comments.

Thats twice you have been caught out in this thread now.

If I had read all 240 comments on a Facebook post !!! :cheesy:

Do you even read the idiocy of the stuff you post....

GammaGlobulin · January 3

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

What a piece of junk.

This, actually, does not even look roadworthy.

And, it must be very loud.

So, I would bet the old lady heard this bike, and it was the last sound she heard.

I think it is very frustrating to consider that an old lady may have been rundown by a speeder, and one from another country.

Still, one must wait for the facts.

And, one hopes that the facts will surface in this case.

Anyway, I did find this important notice while searching ....

MalcolmB · January 3

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If this motorcyclist was speeding, there would be damage to the bike - however, the absense of damage to the motorcycle suggest it wasn't even dropped... its possible this was a very low impact.

It landed on top of the poor woman.

MalcolmB · January 3

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If I had read all 240 comments on a Facebook post !!!

Do you even read the idiocy of the stuff you post....

Quite happy arguing with everyone for endless hours but can’t read comments from first responders that I kindly provided.

i read the stuff I post and I also read the other available news before posting.

You are not well.

richard_smith237 · January 3

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

A flawed headline.

Yes, its flawed because it unintentionally implies intent or criminality, and lacks neutrality - its understandable that you can't recognise that.

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

A link with “no extra information “

It's facebook - it has no concrete information... its just social media commentary.

If there is a witness statement - its not been reported ?? - why is that ? (clue - because its not a witness statement)

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

An apology from the American who accepted responsibility.

The American has clearly apologised, that is not an acceptance of fault or responsibility - its simply a human response, perhaps not one you would make when killing someone while you are drink driving, nevertheless its a sound human response to show remorse when someone else dies and you are involved even IF not at fault.

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It seems everyone agrees here including the killer but you, as usual, want to make up your own version of events to suit your narrative.

No it doesn't - the vast majority of people are commenting that there is not enough information - thats not by any means even the remotest consensus agreeing that the motorcyclist is at fault.

You are taking a few comments and leaping to a flawed conclusion, as you do with your dumb polls.

A majority of opinions either blaming the rider or pedestrian by no means clarifies actual fault - the mere suggestion that it does highlights how fundamentally broken your thinking is.

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You are a strange character. Not everything has to be a debate or argument in life Richard.

Agreed - It remains so astonishing for me that your thought processes are such a polar opposite to mine - I find it quite interesting. At the same time I find it amusing that you wrote such a comment without recognising the hypocrisy of your comment when so frequently engaging in debate on this forum !!!

richard_smith237 · January 3

6 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If this motorcyclist was speeding, there would be damage to the bike - however, the absense of damage to the motorcycle suggest it wasn't even dropped... its possible this was a very low impact.

It landed on top of the poor woman.

You mean it didn't skid 20 meters down the road because the motorcyclist was travelling at such speed ?

MalcolmB · January 3

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

The American has clearly apologised, that is not an acceptance of fault or responsibility -

No he has accepted responsibility.

And good on him for doing it.

richard_smith237 · January 3

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Quite happy arguing with everyone for endless hours but can’t read comments from first responders that I kindly provided.

i read the stuff I post and I also read the other available news before posting.

You are not well.

I'm not going to dig through 240 comments on a Facebook link.

But, feel free to post the comment of the first responder on here - it might even be of value to the thread.

Why have you not done that already if the comment is so supportive of your opinions ?

richard_smith237 · January 3

Just now, MalcolmB said:

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The American has clearly apologised, that is not an acceptance of fault or responsibility -

No he has accepted responsibility.

And good on him for doing it.

Link ???...

Or are you going to just quite what someone else wrote on a facebook page ?

Without any such facts - as I've wrote all along - the fault could like with either party.

MalcolmB · January 3

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes, its flawed because it unintentionally implies intent or criminality, and lacks neutrality - its understandable that you can't recognise that.

It's facebook - it has no concrete information... its just social media commentary.

If there is a witness statement - its not been reported ?? - why is that ? (clue - because its not a witness statement)

The American has clearly apologised, that is not an acceptance of fault or responsibility - its simply a human response, perhaps not one you would make when killing someone while you are drink driving, nevertheless its a sound human response to show remorse when someone else dies and you are involved even IF not at fault.

No it does - the vast majority of people are commenting that there is not enough information.

You are taking a few comments and leaping to a flawed conclusion, as you do with your dumb polls.

A majority of opinions either blaming the rider or pedestrian by no means clarifies actual fault - the mere suggestion that it does highlights how fundamentally broken your thinking is.

Agreed - It remains so astonishing for me that your thought processes are such a polar opposite to mine - I find it quite interesting. At the same time I find it amusing that you wrote such a comment without recognising the hypocrisy of your comment when so frequently engaging in debate on this forum !!!

People have written PM messages regarding you and arguing with them.
Your constant name calling of everyone. I think it might be time to pull your head in a bit mate.

richard_smith237 · January 3

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

People have written PM messages regarding you and arguing with them.
Your constant name calling of everyone. I think it might be time to pull your head in a bit mate.

Of course they have...

Now..

Are you going to post the Witness statement that highlight this accident was the Americans fault ?

(the first responder comment you mentioned)

Are you going to post the link where it shows the American accepted responsibility ?

Oh... and I'm not name 'calling everyone' don't exaggerate - I'm just calling out the dumb comments of three posters, because, well, the comments are just a bit too trollish and false... Nothing so far points the finger at either the American or the Thai lady for being at fault.

Any comment otherwise, until proven with facts, video evidence or a verified witness statement is pure conjecture.

MalcolmB · January 3

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm not going to dig through 240 comments on a Facebook link.

But, feel free to post the comment of the first responder on here - it might even be of value to the thread.

Why have you not done that already if the comment is so supportive of your opinions ?

You would just rather read 240 comments on here and argue with everyone.

instead of thanking me for my additional information I provided you just want to argue.
whatever

khunJam · January 3

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes, its flawed because it unintentionally implies intent or criminality, and lacks neutrality - its understandable that you can't recognise that.

It's facebook - it has no concrete information... its just social media commentary.

If there is a witness statement - its not been reported ?? - why is that ? (clue - because its not a witness statement)

The American has clearly apologised, that is not an acceptance of fault or responsibility - its simply a human response, perhaps not one you would make when killing someone while you are drink driving, nevertheless its a sound human response to show remorse when someone else dies and you are involved even IF not at fault.

No it doesn't - the vast majority of people are commenting that there is not enough information - thats not by any means even the remotest consensus agreeing that the motorcyclist is at fault.

You are taking a few comments and leaping to a flawed conclusion, as you do with your dumb polls.

A majority of opinions either blaming the rider or pedestrian by no means clarifies actual fault - the mere suggestion that it does highlights how fundamentally broken your thinking is.

Agreed - It remains so astonishing for me that your thought processes are such a polar opposite to mine - I find it quite interesting. At the same time I find it amusing that you wrote such a comment without recognising the hypocrisy of your comment when so frequently engaging in debate on this forum !!!

Good gawd driveling blowhard stroking yourself, you’ve gotta be the strangest thing spinning in endless delirium of rationalizations.

MalcolmB · January 3

2 minutes ago, khunJam said:

Good gawd driveling blowhard stroking yourself, you’ve gotta be the strangest thing spinning in endless delirium of rationalizations.

He is a strange one.

richard_smith237 · January 3

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You would just rather read 240 comments on here and argue with everyone.

instead of thanking me for my additional information I provided you just want to argue.
whatever

Why would I thank you - you have not posted anything verifiable - you are taking social media content from facebook and quoting it as fact.

Can you post a Witness statement that highlight this accident was the Americans fault ?

(the first responder comment you mentioned)

Can you post the link where it shows the American accepted responsibility ?

MalcolmB · January 3

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why would I thank you - you have not posted anything verifiable - you are taking social media content from facebook and quoting it as fact.

Can you post a Witness statement that highlight this accident was the Americans fault ?

(the first responder comment you mentioned)

Can you post the link where it shows the American accepted responsibility ?

I already have.

roo860 · January 3

10 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You would just rather read 240 comments on here and argue with everyone.

instead of thanking me for my additional information I provided you just want to argue.
whatever

And those pictures prove what? The woman has no fashion sense?

richard_smith237 · January 3

4 minutes ago, khunJam said:

Good gawd driveling blowhard stroking yourself, you’ve gotta be the strangest thing spinning in endless delirium of rationalizations.

Your content hardly presents a critically balanced mind.

Your comments have already betrayed your biased ideas that foreigners are always at fault.

While the American 'could be at fault' there is no evidence or information which highlights that, other than Malcoms fabrications from a FaceBook thread.

I might add, neither is there any evidence or information which highlights the lady was at fault.

richard_smith237 · January 3

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I already have.

No you haven't... You've posted a Link to a Thai News Source which links to a FaceBook Page which is full of social commentary....

So... humour me...

Can you post a Witness statement that highlight this accident was the Americans fault ?

(the first responder comment you mentioned)

Can you post the link where it shows the American accepted responsibility ?

Post screen shots of the info or links if you are so confident of the content - otherwise your comments are exactly as I accused them of being, false information.

richard_smith237 · January 3

19 minutes ago, roo860 said:

And those pictures prove what? The woman has no fashion sense?

He thinks posting a FaceBook page with 240 or so comments from random Thai's most of which are complimentary to the compassion shown by the American, and a lot of comments which state that a Thai rider would have escaped the scene... and he thinks that this some how implies that a) there is some proof of fault and b) its evidence that the American owned up to fault.

So intent is he on 'blaming a foreigner at all costs' he's become delusional and is unable to distingnusish commentary on social media from facts.

There is nothing in any media source I've yet seen that highlights or proves any fault with either the American rider or the Thai pedestrian.

it is what it is · January 3

16 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Hope he had a helmet cam I see some awful behaviour from Thais on the roads with regards to not only their own but others safety including pedestrians. Save me your victim blaming krap thanks

I see some awful behaviour from Thais on the roads

this statement needs amending, if you'd been here longer, and/or didn't have a one eyed view, you'd know the awful behaviour on thai roads is absolutely not restricted only to thais, i see plenty of westerners behaving appallingly on the roads here, endangering themselves and others.

GammaGlobulin · January 3

1 hour ago, roo860 said:

And those pictures prove what? The woman has no fashion sense?

One seems to show the American with an Asian woman.

They are both dressed up to look like they are IDK.....

Mountain people with green suits and boots.

Freaky looking.

But, his friends might actually be his GF.

Is she Thai....

That is my question.

richard_smith237 · January 3

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

One seems to show the American with an Asian woman.

They are both dressed up to look like they are IDK.....

Mountain people with green suits and boots.

Thats protective riding gear.

It all appears well worn and suggests that these are both experienced rider.

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Freaky looking.

??? - its riding gear - how is it freaky ? - surely you've seen riding gear GG ?

It looks like decent kit and shows a level of responsibility compared to tourists riding around in flipflops.

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

But, his friends might actually be his GF.

Is she Thai....

That is my question.

Agree, likely a GF - but what relevance does her nationality have to this event ? (she looks like a Westerner to me).

Its an odd question of you to ask, so I'm just curious of the your reasoning to ask that... i.e. if she is Thai, it might indicate they have been riding in Thailand a long time, whereas if she is American, it could indicate they are not so familiar with riding in Thailand...

... not that it makes any difference, IF someone steps out in front of you at the last second (which is why the riding gear !).

ben01 · January 3

17 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Bunch of inexperienced idiots on motorcycles on the roads now.

Everyday, not just now! Don’t tell me, you’re one of the experienced ones 😂

Webfoot · January 3

On my first trip to Thailand I decided that I would not drive or ride a motorcycle on the roads because I felt it was not safe to do so. Over the years I have discovered that being a pedestrian is just as dangerous.

waders123 · January 3

22 hours ago, smedly said:

acting an idiot on your dirt bike, no sympathy for your reckless behavior..................idiot

RIP

Isn’t the principle “innocent until proven guilty” still important? The details of the accident aren’t fully clear based on the information provided in the story. Let’s hold off on jumping to conclusions and allow the evidence to be presented before passing judgment.

fredwiggy · January 3

10 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I wouldn’t bother Richard.

Fred always thinks the Thais are against him and thinks he knows everything even though he is effectively illiterate and can’t understand anything but a basic sentence. He makes up what he imagines they are saying.

He claims in this incident that the Thais were in the wrong but it is possible since he is an American that he just got mixed up what side of the road he was supposed to be on, didn’t understand how he was wrong because couldn’t understand what they were telling him and now feels like a victim.

Quite possible something similar with this incident. The American is sure acting with the family that he knows he was in the wrong.

He might might have been wearing dark tinted shades, with a dark tinted helmet and not have seen the poor lady.

MalcomB again assuming he knows anything about anyone. Where have I said I think Thais are against me? Where have I shown to be effectively illiterate? To the contrary, proving you wrong every time shows just how little you do know about any topics you've joined.

Let's look at this example here. I listed possibilities that could have happened in this scenario and you immediately think I'm against the Thai woman. This could have been in any country with anyone and that's how I see it. I'm not prejudiced against any nationality, especially Thais as I have a half Thai daughter, had a Thai wife and now have a Thai girlfriend.

You assume that the American, who was traveling next to another driver, was driving on the wrong side of the road and caused the accident? Then you say this " didn’t understand how he was wrong because couldn’t understand what they were telling him and now feels like a victim.", which makes no sense at all.

The American bent down and showed remorse because he hit the woman. That doesn't mean he was at fault. The woman died and any normal person would feel sorry about what happened and want to show that to the family. Then you assume he was wearing dark tinted shades, which appears you are putting the blame on him. We all know you're prejudiced against Americans from many of your posts, so this just follows that cue. Best to stay out of this forum MalcolmB, because you again look the fool.

fredwiggy · January 3

10 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Try reading other news sources for more information

https://www.khaosod.co.th/around-thailand/news_9574164

Which says the same thing the original story does.

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