Vaccine adverse events, including death, are grossly under-reported

[Red Phoenix]

Vaccine adverse events, including death, are grossly under-reported
Here's the evidence from the peer-reviewed literature.

 

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/vaccine-adverse-events-including

[novacova]

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More of the same from nonsense, non-credible sources like Steve Kirsch... geez!

VAERS death reports don’t prove COVID-19 vaccines killed hundreds of thousands, contrary to claim by Steve Kirsch

Flawed reasoning: The claim that vaccine-related deaths are being underreported by a factor of 41 is based on a flawed analysis co-authored by Kirsch, using assumptions that aren’t supported by evidence.

 

Inadequate support: An adverse event reported to VAERS doesn’t necessarily mean that the vaccine caused the issue. The VAERS database is a tool that helps identify unusual patterns that could indicate rare side effects. Determining whether the vaccine caused the event requires a much more detailed investigation beyond the total number of reports.

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/vaers-death-reports-dont-prove-covid-19-vaccines-killed-hundreds-thousands/

 

And a long list of bogus, disproven COVID misinformation claims promoted by Kirsch, including:

 

Review Article By Misinformation Spreaders Misleads About mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

February 16, 2024

 

The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have a good safety record and have saved millions of lives. But viral posts claim the contrary, citing a recent peer-reviewed article authored by known COVID-19 misinformation spreaders and published in a controversial journal. The paper repeats previously debunked claims.

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But an article — written by misinformation spreaders who oppose COVID-19 vaccination — that claims to have reviewed the original trials and “other relevant studies” largely ignores this body of evidence. Instead, the review, which calls for a “global moratorium” on the mRNA vaccines, cites multiple flawed or criticized studies — many of which we’ve written about before — to falsely claim the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have caused “extensive, well-documented” serious adverse events and have killed nearly 14 times as many people as they saved.

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Anti-Vaccine Authors and Debunked Claims

Many of the review’s authors have a history of spreading COVID-19 or vaccine misinformation. This includes Kirsch, who has repeatedly pushed the incorrect idea that the COVID-19 vaccines have killed millions of people worldwide, as well as Dr. Peter McCullough, Stephanie Seneff and Jessica Rose.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/scicheck-review-article-by-misinformation-spreaders-misleads-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/

 

And a long list of Steve Kirsch's  greatest COVID misinformation hits:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/person/steve-kirsch/

 

Flawed Analysis of New Zealand Data Doesn’t Show COVID-19 Vaccines Killed Millions

COVID-19 Vaccines Save Lives, Are Not More Lethal Than COVID-19

Posts Falsely Claim FDA ‘Required’ to Take mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Off Market Due to Adulteration

False Claim About Cause of Autism Highlighted on Pennsylvania Senate Panel

Blood Transfusion Doesn’t Transfer COVID-19 Vaccine

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

'[COVID] Vaccines Have a Better Safety Profile Than Almost Any Others'

 

May 02, 2024

 

"...Patients need to better understand that the role of the vaccine isn't to completely prevent COVID but to reduce the likelihood of hospitalization and death, similar to that of a flu shot. By reducing the risk for severe disease, the vaccine also reduces the risk for long COVID, a debilitating condition that's still poorly understood, has no cure, and has already caused thousands of American deaths, he said.

 

"Botched public health messaging also allowed for misinformation to run rampant. Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media.

 

"Patients need to know that like any vaccine, vaccine injury does occur, but these vaccines have a better safety profile than almost any others," said [Ziyad Al-Aly, MD, a global expert on long COVID and chief of research and development at the VA Saint Louis Health Care System]. "The rewards of getting the vaccine far outweigh the risks, and patients need to understand that."

 

Medscape

https://archive.ph/BxlSZ

 

[rattlesnake]

On 1/5/2025 at 7:32 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

'[COVID] Vaccines Have a Better Safety Profile Than Almost Any Others'

 

May 02, 2024

 

"...Patients need to better understand that the role of the vaccine isn't to completely prevent COVID but to reduce the likelihood of hospitalization and death, similar to that of a flu shot. By reducing the risk for severe disease, the vaccine also reduces the risk for long COVID, a debilitating condition that's still poorly understood, has no cure, and has already caused thousands of American deaths, he said.

 

"Botched public health messaging also allowed for misinformation to run rampant. Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media.

 

"Patients need to know that like any vaccine, vaccine injury does occur, but these vaccines have a better safety profile than almost any others," said [Ziyad Al-Aly, MD, a global expert on long COVID and chief of research and development at the VA Saint Louis Health Care System]. "The rewards of getting the vaccine far outweigh the risks, and patients need to understand that."

 

Medscape

https://archive.ph/BxlSZ

 

 

One of the great unresolved mysteries of this forum is whether you actually believe the outrageous BS you post. I tend to think you do.

[Airalee]

27 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

One of the great unresolved mysteries of this forum is whether you actually believe the outrageous BS you post. I tend to think you do.

It’s funny how he has gone with all the “every doctor who has ever said anything bad about the vaccine is a discredited quack” spiel.

 

You’d get a kick out of watching the nobody of a doctor who he quotes (Ziyad Al-Aly) on his YouTube interviews with other even lesser known podcasters.  They’re hilarious.  Definitely the perfect portrait of health.

 

He also has some glowing write up in Time magazine.

 

“Al-Aly is the first to admit that, prior to 2020, he knew almost nothing about postinfectious illness; back then, much of his research focused on the health effects of air pollution.”

 

 So will he ever go back to researching air pollution? “I identify as a Long COVID researcher now,” Al-Aly says

 

https://time.com/6966812/ziyad-al-aly/

 

I wonder why they’re usually these foreign born and educated doctors who end up spouting the Covid narrative?  Would they be deported if they didn’t toe the line?

 

I don’t know about you but I’d prefer a doctor who got his MD from University of Michigan, Anne Arbor (#19 in best global universities per US News and World Report) vs American University of Beirut (#381)

 

😂

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

40 minutes ago, Airalee said:

It’s funny how he has gone with all the “every doctor who has ever said anything bad about the vaccine is a discredited quack” spiel.

 

No, quacks are quacks, which by my definition simply means: people who have repeatedly spread false and misleading information that has been proven to be false and misleading by multiple, credible sources. Has nothing to do with whether they say good or bad things about anything.

 

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I don’t know about you but I’d prefer a doctor who got his MD from University of Michigan, Anne Arbor (#19 in best global universities per US News and World Report) vs American University of Beirut (#381)

 

Maybe you'll settle for the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Policy and Research, and its director, Dr. Michael Osterholm:

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/michael-t-osterholm-phd-mph

 

"From 2001 through early 2005, Dr. Osterholm, in addition to his role at CIDRAP, served as a Special Advisor to then–HHS Secretary Tommy G. Thompson on issues related to bioterrorism and public health preparedness. He was also appointed to the Secretary's Advisory Council on Public Health Preparedness. On April 1, 2002, Dr. Osterholm was appointed by Thompson to be his representative on the interim management team to lead the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). With the appointment of Dr. Julie Gerberding as director of the CDC on July 3, 2002, Dr. Osterholm was asked by Thompson to assist Dr. Gerberding on his behalf during the transition period. He filled that role through January 2003.

 

Previously, Dr. Osterholm served for 24 years (1975-1999) in various roles at the Minnesota Department of Health, the last 15 as state epidemiologist. He has led numerous investigations of outbreaks of international importance, including foodborne diseases, the association of tampons and toxic shock syndrome, and hepatitis B and HIV in healthcare settings."

...

"He is a frequent consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Department of Defense, and the CDC. He is a fellow of the American College of Epidemiology and the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA)."

 

And he did a recent podcast where he addressed what it means when doctors and other public health professionals refer to vaccines as being "safe and effective", as follows in an excerpt limited in length by forum quoting rules... but the full exchange is posted in transcript form here:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/episode-173-what-safe-and-effective

 

Dr. Osterholm:

"Let me start by saying I want to be clear that a vaccine being safe and effective does not mean that it is entirely without some risk to the person receiving the vaccines. Vaccines are widely accepted as safe can still cause very rare complications. It is essential that we properly communicate this to the public in order to reestablish trust in public health, we need to be transparent about these risks while also assuring that the general public understands that the risks that occur due to infection are much greater. [emphasis added]

 

Let me give you an example. If we look at the MMR [measles, mumps, rubella] vaccine, it's one that's often cited as potentially a risk to individuals. One possible complication associated with the measles vaccine is a condition called immune thrombocytopenic purpura, ITP. This is a disorder that decreases the body's ability to stop bleeding. Studies have found that in the six weeks following vaccination, the incidence of ITP is about 1 in 40,000 children. In fact, the risk of ITP is 13.2 times higher after measles infection. So yes, it can occur among a vaccine. However, the risk of your child having ITP is so, so much higher with the disease itself. ... And so, I want to just point out to you that when we talk about safe, we're not trying to hide the potential impact that a vaccine can have. But it is very, very rare."

...

I think this discussion right now is really healthy about vaccine safety, but please do not be confused by what you're hearing out of the likes of RFK Jr. and his colleagues there. They're talking about extremely, extremely exaggerated risk with Vaccines without any consideration of the benefits. And that discussion is not helpful. It's scary, and it's going to be responsible for kids not getting vaccinated and eventually kids getting infected with vaccine preventable diseases and dying."

 

[Airalee]

32 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

No, quacks are quacks, which by my definition simply means: people who have repeatedly spread false and misleading information that has been proven to be false and misleading by multiple, credible sources. Has nothing to do with whether they say good or bad things about anything.

 

 

Maybe you'll settle for the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Policy and Research, and its director, Dr. Michael Osterholm:

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/michael-t-osterholm-phd-mph

 

"From 2001 through early 2005, Dr. Osterholm, in addition to his role at CIDRAP, served as a Special Advisor to then–HHS Secretary Tommy G. Thompson on issues related to bioterrorism and public health preparedness. He was also appointed to the Secretary's Advisory Council on Public Health Preparedness. On April 1, 2002, Dr. Osterholm was appointed by Thompson to be his representative on the interim management team to lead the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). With the appointment of Dr. Julie Gerberding as director of the CDC on July 3, 2002, Dr. Osterholm was asked by Thompson to assist Dr. Gerberding on his behalf during the transition period. He filled that role through January 2003.

 

Previously, Dr. Osterholm served for 24 years (1975-1999) in various roles at the Minnesota Department of Health, the last 15 as state epidemiologist. He has led numerous investigations of outbreaks of international importance, including foodborne diseases, the association of tampons and toxic shock syndrome, and hepatitis B and HIV in healthcare settings."

...

"He is a frequent consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Department of Defense, and the CDC. He is a fellow of the American College of Epidemiology and the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA)."

 

And he did a recent podcast where he addressed what it means when doctors and other public health professionals refer to vaccines as being "safe and effective", as follows in an excerpt limited in length by forum quoting rules... but the full exchange is posted in transcript form here:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/episode-173-what-safe-and-effective

 

Dr. Osterholm:

"Let me start by saying I want to be clear that a vaccine being safe and effective does not mean that it is entirely without some risk to the person receiving the vaccines. Vaccines are widely accepted as safe can still cause very rare complications. It is essential that we properly communicate this to the public in order to reestablish trust in public health, we need to be transparent about these risks while also assuring that the general public understands that the risks that occur due to infection are much greater. [emphasis added]

 

Let me give you an example. If we look at the MMR [measles, mumps, rubella] vaccine, it's one that's often cited as potentially a risk to individuals. One possible complication associated with the measles vaccine is a condition called immune thrombocytopenic purpura, ITP. This is a disorder that decreases the body's ability to stop bleeding. Studies have found that in the six weeks following vaccination, the incidence of ITP is about 1 in 40,000 children. In fact, the risk of ITP is 13.2 times higher after measles infection. So yes, it can occur among a vaccine. However, the risk of your child having ITP is so, so much higher with the disease itself. ... And so, I want to just point out to you that when we talk about safe, we're not trying to hide the potential impact that a vaccine can have. But it is very, very rare."

...

I think this discussion right now is really healthy about vaccine safety, but please do not be confused by what you're hearing out of the likes of RFK Jr. and his colleagues there. They're talking about extremely, extremely exaggerated risk with Vaccines without any consideration of the benefits. And that discussion is not helpful. It's scary, and it's going to be responsible for kids not getting vaccinated and eventually kids getting infected with vaccine preventable diseases and dying."

 

Five more pages please.

Some guy with a PhD?

 

Worked with the D.O.D.? (In addition to the CDC, WHO, NIH and FDA)

 

Sketchy

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Ziyad Al-Aly

 

Pretty ironic questioning Dr. Al-Ay's expertise and credentials relating to COVID, considering the assortment of documented loonies and quacks that regularly get posted into this subforum by a familiar cast of anti-vax characters.

 

"Ziyad Al-Aly is an American physician and clinical epidemiologist who is currently Director of the Clinical Epidemiology Center and Chief of the Research and Development at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System.^[1][2][3] He is also a clinical epidemiologist at Washington University in St. Louis.^[2] He has led multiple studies on long covid and its sequelae.

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Al-Aly holds a medical degree from the American University of Beirut.^[6] He completed his post-graduate medical education at Saint Louis University and Washington University in St. Louis.

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Al-Aly's research work has been cited more than a 140,000 times and he has an h-index of more than 90 according to Google Scholar.^[7] Al-Aly was featured on Clarivate (Web of Science) list of highly cited researchers in 2024; the list recognizes researchers with significant influence, top 1% cited papers, and broad community recognition.

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Al-Aly led work which provided the first systematic characterization of the post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 infection.^[8] He subsequently led work which characterized the increased risks of cardiovascular disease,^[9] neurologic disorders,^[10] mental health disorders,^[11] gastrointestinal disorders,^[12] diabetes,^[13] dyslipidemia,^[14] and kidney disease^[15] following SARS-CoV-2 infection. His lab also produced evidence characterizing the effects of COVID-19 vaccines on long COVID^[16] and the health consequences of repeated infections with SARS-CoV-2.^[17]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziyad_Al-Aly

 

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

"Ziyad Al-Aly is an American physician and clinical epidemiologist who is currently Director of the Clinical Epidemiology Center and Chief of the Research and Development at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System.^[1][2][3] He is also a clinical epidemiologist at Washington University in St. Louis.^[2] He has led multiple studies on long covid and its sequelae.

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Al-Aly holds a medical degree from the American University of Beirut.^[6] He completed his post-graduate medical education at Saint Louis University and Washington University in St. Louis.

 

Obviously right in the middle of the mainstream.

 

Expect a fight to the bitter end to defend his position, his reputation, his income.

 

Oh!  Just noticed: a government employee, too. ("Veterans Affairs".)

Going to be a vicious, vicious fight to protect all that.

 

[rattlesnake]

45 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Ziyad Al-Aly is an American physician and clinical epidemiologist

 

Okay, so based on this rationale, you also take into consideration this then too then, right?

 

Nicolas  Hulscher MPH (Master of Public Health), epidemiologist:

 

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Ziyad Al-Aly is an American physician and clinical epidemiologist

 

Sure, he may have plenty of doctoring credentials and heaps and heaps of published papers, but does he have experience 'rolfing'?  Does he know how to correlate my aura to the correct crystal and essential oils?  Is he able to produce the necessary amulets and spells to ward off the gremlins that bring the covids?