Palisades Fire in LA has zero containment

[John Drake]

Where's Newsom? Where's the mayor? No water coming out of the fire hydrants? 

 

 

[John Drake]

LA Fire live dispatch. https://www.broadcastify.com/webPlayer/38651

[G_Money]

Newsom has other priorities on his mind.

 

Like letting murderers out on parole.

 

And Trump proofing California.

 

 

[John Drake]

4 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Newsom has other priorities on his mind.

 

Like letting murderers out on parole.

 

Just stuff I'm seeing on Twitter/X but it's all reporting that reservoirs were not refilled. No water to fight the fires. Just like Maui. Don't know if this true, but if it is . . .

[riclag]

  What seems  like every year,Poor conservation management,

[John Drake]

Just now, riclag said:

  What seems  like every year,Poor conservation management,

 

Partially. But population seems to be part of the problem. Just too many people in California consuming limited resources in an arid and semi-arid environment. Having 20 million there in the 70s was probably too many people. Having 40 million there now is unsupportable.

[John Drake]

Why is mayor Karen Bass in Ghana while her city is burning down?

[Cryingdick]

4 hours ago, riclag said:

  What seems  like every year,Poor conservation management,

 

There has also been a sharp increase in arson. I looked it up a year ago or so and it is sort of disturbing. 

[illisdean]

7 hours ago, G_Money said:

And Trump proofing California.

Newsom's a fool. 

 

 

[illisdean]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

Poor conservation management,

There are some out there that broach issues proactively as so often is the case with President Trump and then there are the haters and losers who would rather fail than listen to Trump.

 

 

 

[still kicking]

Who want's to live in that country? Fires, snowstorms. earthquakes every year hurricanes mass shootings?  I am not surprised a lot of Americans moved abroad 

[Patong2021]

Another example of unreasonable expectations and a demand for instantaneous response. 

 

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

Where's Newsom? Where's the mayor? No water coming out of the fire hydrants? 

 

Doing his job as Governor.  Perhaps you will be better served by  reading the Governor's updates rather than asking on a Thai  forum. 

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/07/governor-newsom-proclaims-state-of-emergency-meets-with-first-responders-in-pacific-palisades-amid-dangerous-fire-weather/

 

The Governor is in the emergency Response Center receiving updates from Cal Fire and the Fire control specialists, He rightfully is not directing the fire containment efforts because the fire fighting professionals are. 

 

In case you missed it, the Santa Anna winds are ferocious this year and southern California is still in a drought. 

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?CA

The  agricultural sector still demands excessive amounts of water, and has abused the available aquifer. The general public insists on wasting water.  Easy to blame goverment, but people are unreasonable and selfish.

 

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

Just stuff I'm seeing on Twitter/X but it's all reporting that reservoirs were not refilled. No water to fight the fires. Just like Maui. Don't know if this true, but if it is . . .

 

How does a state governor fill a reservoir when there is inadequate water resources to draw upon?  The state has been trying to reduce water consumption for years. What's the public response? No, we won''t accept it and we'll sue. The farmers insisted on planting  crops not suitable for California such as almonds and pistachios which consume far too much water.When the state tries to have controlled burns, people protest and file injunctions.

 

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

Why is mayor Karen Bass in Ghana while her city is burning down?

 

The mayor left before the fires started and  was on on her way back once the severity of the fires became evident. There are municipal, county and state officials  who have the responsibility for managing events like this who are also involved. In any case, she  has either returned or is in transit. It  takes 2 days+ to get back from Ghana. The people making a scene over her  absence have a political interest in doing so and have ignored the fact that she has been in contact with her office and is involved in the city's response.. She was part of the Presidential delegation and has a longstanding relationship to Ghana.  As a congresswoman, Bass chaired the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights and International Organizations from 2019-22. 

 

[illisdean]

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

Why is mayor Karen Bass in Ghana while her city is burning down?

Maybe making a deal to send them some of LA's surplus firefighting equipment?

 

 

[CHdiver]

Maybe Newsom could organise some marshmallows for the poor people. If they loose there homes, at least they have something to eat. Rainbow colored of course, so they know who is looking so well after them.

[riclag]

The California leader decided to save the endangered fish instead of diverting water to where its needed.

 

Environmental wakos  pushed the Gov

to favor fish instead of much needed water supply .

 

What a disaster. 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/trump-says-gov-gavin-newscum-chose-to-save-an-endangered-fish-instead-of-sending-water-to-southern-california-to-fight-apocalyptic-wildfires/

 

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

12 hours ago, illisdean said:

Maybe making a deal to send them some of LA's surplus firefighting equipment?

 

 

 

Surplus equipment that was replaced by more efficient and more effective apparatus. 

What's your issue? Would youlike the state tokeep  obsolete equipment that can't do the job as effectively as the new equipment that requires fewer personnel to operate? It is called an effective use of resources.

 

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

The California leader decided to save the endangered fish instead of diverting water to where its needed.

 

Environmental wakos  pushed the Gov

to favor fish instead of much needed water supply .

 

What a disaster. 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/trump-says-gov-gavin-newscum-chose-to-save-an-endangered-fish-instead-of-sending-water-to-southern-california-to-fight-apocalyptic-wildfires/

 

 

More lies and dishonesty from Trump. Maintaining an aquatic ecosystem was also about replenishing the aquifer and  responding to the demands of homeowners and recreational uses. The water was being used to meet the basic needs of citizens. NYPost offered its biased interpretation.

 

You left out the most ignorant part of the article;

Trump has long supported diverting supply from California’s main water hub, the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, to farmers who have sturggled with repeated droughts.

 

The farmers have wasted the water on crops unsuitable for the region. They have been told for decades that the crops need to be changed to  vegetation appropriate for  drought prone regions. The agricultural  corporations  have fought against that and instead want water diverted from millions of residents to support their profit making enterprises.P hey refuse to cover water routes which see large amounts of the water lost to evaporation. The large companies profits benefit large multinationals and not the millions of people who live in California.

[Lacessit]

Another indicator of climate change, this time affecting the wealthy.

 

No worries, Trump will fix it. Drill baby drill.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, G_Money said:

More clueless text from another non U.S. citizen.

We get it, only the superior IQ of a native American can understand America.

[LosLobo]

24 minutes ago, G_Money said:

More clueless text from another non U.S. citizen.

So, by your hypocritical logic, all non-citizens commenting on U.S. issues are 'clueless'?

Yet you weigh in on non-U.S. threads like Australian pensions.

FYI:  Many Australians have a lot of expertise on wildfires, having regularly faced some of the world's largest mega fires.
 

[John Drake]

Eventually, all the owners of those ultra expensive homes in Pacific Palisades are going to need to get a rebuild permit from the California Coastal Commission. Watch their eruption when one after another they're denied.

[Jack100]

Seems like those pesky Chinese job stealers are at it again Don ! 

[John Drake]

14 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Another example of unreasonable expectations and a demand for instantaneous response. 

 

 

Doing his job as Governor.  Perhaps you will be better served by  reading the Governor's updates rather than asking on a Thai  forum. 

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/07/governor-newsom-proclaims-state-of-emergency-meets-with-first-responders-in-pacific-palisades-amid-dangerous-fire-weather/

 

The Governor is in the emergency Response Center receiving updates from Cal Fire and the Fire control specialists, He rightfully is not directing the fire containment efforts because the fire fighting professionals are. 

 

In case you missed it, the Santa Anna winds are ferocious this year and southern California is still in a drought. 

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?CA

The  agricultural sector still demands excessive amounts of water, and has abused the available aquifer. The general public insists on wasting water.  Easy to blame goverment, but people are unreasonable and selfish.

 

 

How does a state governor fill a reservoir when there is inadequate water resources to draw upon?  The state has been trying to reduce water consumption for years. What's the public response? No, we won''t accept it and we'll sue. The farmers insisted on planting  crops not suitable for California such as almonds and pistachios which consume far too much water.When the state tries to have controlled burns, people protest and file injunctions.

 

 

The mayor left before the fires started and  was on on her way back once the severity of the fires became evident. There are municipal, county and state officials  who have the responsibility for managing events like this who are also involved. In any case, she  has either returned or is in transit. It  takes 2 days+ to get back from Ghana. The people making a scene over her  absence have a political interest in doing so and have ignored the fact that she has been in contact with her office and is involved in the city's response.. She was part of the Presidential delegation and has a longstanding relationship to Ghana.  As a congresswoman, Bass chaired the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights and International Organizations from 2019-22. 

 

 

Where are the new reservoirs? Where are the firefighters after cutting their budget by $17 million?

[Airalee]

52 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Eventually, all the owners of those ultra expensive homes in Pacific Palisades are going to need to get a rebuild permit from the California Coastal Commission. Watch their eruption when one after another they're denied.

The damage estimates from all the fires in the region seem to be quite low.

 

Last update (a couple hours ago) is that the two largest fires (Palisades/Eaton) are still 0% contained.

 

The satellite image of the Eaton fire is horrific.

 

 

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15 hours ago, illisdean said:

Newsom's a fool. 

 

 

California Reservoir Water Levels Now Compared to Lowest Point

Published Oct 24, 2024 at 1:29 PM EDT

"As of Thursday, most reservoirs are performing near their historical average, though many of them are below 80 percent capacity, according to the California Department of Water Resources (DWR). Individual reservoir graphs show that most have experienced a steady decline over the summer months as dry weather once again plagued the state."

https://www.newsweek.com/california-reservoir-water-levels-now-compared-lowest-point-1974480#:~:text=Major reservoirs across California are,their lowest point in 2022.

 

And what are they going to do with that water if it does get shipped to the south? Spray the forests and the scrublands with it every day? 3 times a week? Weekly? Monthly?

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Another indicator of climate change, this time affecting the wealthy.

 

No worries, Trump will fix it. Drill baby drill.

Climate Change?  You must still be in contact with Danderman.  How is he?

 

Santa Ans winds have wreaked havoc on California for as long as I remember, and then sum.

 

Every fall and winter normally.  Nothing new.  Some years stronger than others.

 

San Diego experienced  a similar firestorm in October, 2003.

[Captain Flack]

A troll post has been removed.

 

@G_Money again I have to tell you to discuss the topic, not the person. This is an open forum for everyonr and if you try to censor opinion again, because of accusations of nationality, you will be getting a time out.

[Patong2021]

38 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Where are the new reservoirs? Where are the firefighters after cutting their budget by $17 million?

 

The  budget  change reflects the funds available in a state that had an increased deficit. The reality though is that the Governor did present a budget for 2023-24  that included a total of $4 billion from various funds to support CalFire, including $2.9 billion from the General Fund. This was an increase of about $150 million (roughly 4 percent) compared to the estimated expenditure level for 2022-23. Funding had been significantly increased over the years and the  small budget adjustment has to be  considered within that context. Because one line entry of the state budget reduced an allocation, does not mean that the state was imperiled. Please refer to how the billions were spent. The 2024-2025 budget just  spreads some of the spending over 5 years instead of 4.

https://wildfiretaskforce.org/governor-newsom-introduces-2024-2025-budget/

 

The state has a $38 billion deficit.  Savings have to be spread across the budget. Unfortunately, California has to care for a lot of homeless and mentally ill people who are from out of state.  These people flock to California because services are not available in their home states. The easiest solution would be to deport the hundreds of thousands of people back to Alabama, Mississippi. Idaho etc. or to ask their home states to  provide the  hundreds of millions of $$ it takes to. care for them.

 

Additional reservoirs would not have helped. The south has a  long term drought so that means there is reduced water available to fill any  reservoirs. The fact is that the firefighters have more than enough water  to supply their vehicles. The hydrants in the Palisades fire had a shortfall because  all of the hydrants were open and the water pressure combined with the  available water piping and supply lines  could not service the demand. It wasn't because the total available water supply ran out. This fact has not been  reported by FOX and others because it is an inconvenient truth.

 

 

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12 hours ago, riclag said:

The California leader decided to save the endangered fish instead of diverting water to where its needed.

 

Environmental wakos  pushed the Gov

to favor fish instead of much needed water supply .

 

What a disaster. 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/trump-says-gov-gavin-newscum-chose-to-save-an-endangered-fish-instead-of-sending-water-to-southern-california-to-fight-apocalyptic-wildfires/

 

You think that water gets channeled directly to the fires. It goes to reservoirs. And guess what? California has enough water in its reservoirs. See above.

[RubenRemus]

On 1/8/2025 at 3:18 PM, John Drake said:

Where's Newsom? Where's the mayor? No water coming out of the fire hydrants? 

 

 

People want low taxes, and this is what happens when public services do not receive investment. How much tax are YOU paying in California? 

What, do you think politicians are sitting around thinking how can we starve the FIRE DEPARTMENT? It's the only public entity most people are happy to see!