Palisades Fire in LA has zero containment

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

stop sending, draining it to the sea and look into constructing massive 60"OD high pressure buried pipelines transporting fresh water from Canada to water starved CA, BUT do not EVER let the fire hydrants go dry! Thats just liberal stupidity at its finest.

 

Truly one of the most idiotic demands of the past week. Do you really believe that Canadians are going to  export water to the USA after Trump's threats and bullying? When he imposes 25% tariffs, the only thing Canadians will send him is their piss. 

 

There is no support for the export of water from canada to the USA, particularly since western Canada is experiencing a drought in several regions. There is not enough water in southern Canada to satisfy US demand. The Americans should learn to conserve water and not waste it. Ask North Dakota to channel its polluted Devils Lake filthy water to the USA instead of dumping it into the Canadian red River system and causing catastrophic flooding in Manitoba.

Anyone who thinks they are going to get water from Canada is going to get a backside of buckshot from an angry Canadian farmer or rancher, and yes they have firearms in Canada.

[Airalee]

7 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

One of the best state educational systems in the USA

One of the best health care systems in the USA

Some of the best social services in the USA

Some of the best municipal services in the USA

 

Sure, California could cut taxes, but then it would be like Louisiana or Mississippi with high rates of illiteracy, low wages, poor education, high infant mortality and reduced life spans.

Great healthcare system for the illegals.  Free!

 

But for me, I had to move to Thailand in order to get healthcare/insurance.

 

That’s why I moved out of California and never looked back.

 

I’d rather live in Louisiana or Mississippi 

 

[KhunLA]

23 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

One of the best state educational systems in the USA

One of the best health care systems in the USA

Some of the best social services in the USA

Some of the best municipal services in the USA

 

Sure, California could cut taxes, but then it would be like Louisiana or Mississippi with high rates of illiteracy, low wages, poor education, high infant mortality and reduced life spans.

A state that thinks men can get pregnant. 

 

A state that wants people that never owned slaves, to give people that weren't slave, money, in a state, that never had slaves.

 

Some of the highest crime cites.

Some of the highest amount of homeless.

Even have a 'poop app' so can plan your day, to avoid as you walk around in one city.

 

Some areas so dry, have restricted use of water, to wash car, water the lawn.

 

High taxes, utilities, gas prices.

 

Sign me up 

 

Even those that can afford to live their are leaving.  That's a bit telling.

 

 

On topic ... fires & earthquakes are enough to deter most from living there.

[jimmybcool]

This is a problem that should have been expected.  I am no expert on the situation but I am aware of some parts of California that do not allow property owners to clear dead brush or plant non-native fire resistant plants.  And apparently no one thought to create fire breaks.  It seems there are some folks that think they need to leave everything native.  Well, native in the southwest included massive wild fires in the past so why would we think we can stop them if the means are there to start them?

 

I seriously doubt their fire departments can handle this with the winds moving the fires so fast and so much dry fuel.  I am familiar with fire danger having lived in Arizona for 20+ years.  I watched a fire in 2005 from my front yard with the car packed and ready to go if the wind shifted.  I expected it and didn't sleep getting up to have a cigarette every hour and watch the advance through the hills.   Got lucky and had a light sprinkle came down at 3 AM which dampened everything and next day the fire guys got it managed.  Yes we had a massive party for all the firemen the next month.

 

Here we have no restrictions on clearing potential fire sources and do different management of undeveloped areas.  I think it helps massively.  Hopefully when this is over California revisits how it manages open land.  Perhaps that will prevent a repeat.

[candide]

As expected, and barrage of MAGA posts aiming at distracting attention from the impact of climate change....

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ewe4p9128o

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/8/2025 at 9:47 PM, John Drake said:

 

Just stuff I'm seeing on Twitter/X but it's all reporting that reservoirs were not refilled. No water to fight the fires. Just like Maui. Don't know if this true, but if it is . . .

As seen on the news, the wind has died down and the planes are using sea water to "bomb" the fires and create a containment area. Sea water is itself going to create a problem with salt in the soil.

 

Perhaps some better ( ? any ) ) vegetation management would have been in order pre fire season. Allowing undergrowth in a fire zone is always going to present a problem. It's not as though the residents of that Palisades area were not able to pay for it. This is the problem with most of the major wild fires I've seen recently- management of the undergrowth was cut back or ended.

 

Fires are inevitable, and part of the natural cycle. It's only when people want to live in a fire zone that it becomes a problem.

[Cryingdick]

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Truly one of the most idiotic demands of the past week. Do you really believe that Canadians are going to  export water to the USA after Trump's threats and bullying? When he imposes 25% tariffs, the only thing Canadians will send him is their piss. 

 

There is no support for the export of water from canada to the USA, particularly since western Canada is experiencing a drought in several regions. There is not enough water in southern Canada to satisfy US demand. The Americans should learn to conserve water and not waste it. Ask North Dakota to channel its polluted Devils Lake filthy water to the USA instead of dumping it into the Canadian red River system and causing catastrophic flooding in Manitoba.

Anyone who thinks they are going to get water from Canada is going to get a backside of buckshot from an angry Canadian farmer or rancher, and yes they have firearms in Canada.

 

The majority of the Great Lakes surface area are in the USA we don't have to ask Canada. Probably time to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America to remind some folks what's up.

[Cryingdick]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

 

If you want to destroy or severely shorten the life of all the ballasts it touches use salt water.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

How hard is it to use the Pacific  ocean’s water shed for fire management!

Any engineers out there !

They are. They had to wait for the wind to drop before the planes could fly.

[jimmybcool]

1 hour ago, candide said:

As expected, and barrage of MAGA posts aiming at distracting attention from the impact of climate change....

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ewe4p9128o

 

SoCal is in a dry spell yes.  Been happening since recorded time.  Wet years.  Dry years.  Of course the climate change warriors will try to attach this in some way on carbon taxes and SUVs.  As your article tries to do.  Yes Virginia climate change is real.  Has been for millions of years and will continue to be so.  No denying climate changes.  How much and who causes it is a matter for debate.  But this disaster isn't relevant to that.

 

This IS a matter of poor management.  Smart people clear out buildup of dry tinder in areas where people live.  Smart people plan for this.  I live in the edge of the Arizona desert.  Our fire teams are busy clearing out this stuff during off season when there are no fires and creating fire breaks. 

 

Just as a note that this was predictable all of the big insurance companies are pulling out of California house insurance  market.  They have been doing so since last year.  The combination of potential catastrophe (like now), increased home building prices and state mandated premiums being held to a price they felt didn't cover their risk had them decide it wasn't going to be tenable.  So it was foreseen by them.  Sadly the political parties in power in California failed to see it.  Or do anything about it.

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ca-wildfire-backlash-state-farm-other-insurers-slammed-dropping-coverage

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, jimmybcool said:

Just as a note that this was predictable all of the big insurance companies are pulling out of California house insurance  market

They are doing the same in Florida.

[Cryingdick]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are. They had to wait for the wind to drop before the planes could fly.

 

They use buckets but. Not much else. The salt water would rot the equipment.

[dinsdale]

Too many fires in separate locations to not think this is deliberate. Of course poor fuel load management and preparation have played a large role in the spread of the fires.

 

[jimmybcool]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

They are doing the same in Florida.

 

Yes.  For hurricanes.  They are actually more devastating than wildfires.  Cover more ground.  I haven't researched and don't know if the state of Florida has a mandated insurance maximum rate that insurers must adhere to.  I believe I have heard that is the case in California but if someone knows for sure feel free to correct me.

 

I think one can still get coverage in Florida just not covering hurricane damage.  Lucky me I live in Arizona.  Biggest threat really is HEAT.  So unless my house melts I should be good.  😃

 

[Cryingdick]

34 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

 

Yes.  For hurricanes.  They are actually more devastating than wildfires.  Cover more ground.  I haven't researched and don't know if the state of Florida has a mandated insurance maximum rate that insurers must adhere to.  I believe I have heard that is the case in California but if someone knows for sure feel free to correct me.

 

I think one can still get coverage in Florida just not covering hurricane damage.  Lucky me I live in Arizona.  Biggest threat really is HEAT.  So unless my house melts I should be good.  😃

 

Flood insurance is a problem. In North Carolina even hillsides were flooded. You aren't going to get insurance that covers it all. It can't be mandated because insurance companies will just leave the state. I mean NC was hit be a hurricane but flooding was the cause of most problems. That isn''t covered and most likely hurricanes aren't either.

 

Nobody is going to cover wildfires going forward if they ever did.

 

I recently bought a small piece of land near Crystal River and will build a very small place, hurricane proof and self insure. Nothing else makes sense.

[Cryingdick]

I wonder if you can fireproof a house? Space shuttle tiles? I don't know a hurricane is much easier to fight against.

[steven100]

yes,   read about this terrible fire as it has destroyed hundreds of mansions. 

 

Those poor Hollywood legends on paradise boulevard and broadwalk will have to build a new mansion.

 

very sad indeed. 

 

They will have to write a new cheque for  10 million  to build again.   

[jerrymahoney]

4 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The majority of the Great Lakes surface area are in the USA we don't have to ask Canada. Probably time to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America to remind some folks what's up.

And you don't have to rename Lake Superior because, to Trump, he already is.

[Dcheech]

On 1/8/2025 at 3:47 PM, John Drake said:

Don't know if this true, but if it is . . .

But you will post it up, parrot it, and what fun. 

[RubenRemus]

10 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

This is why it happened 

 

 

 

Tampa had three hurricanes hit in one year. 1,500 homes saw major descruction. Is this the reason? 

https://www.tampa.gov/fire-rescue/about-us/chief-tripp

[RubenRemus]

11 hours ago, mogandave said:

Highest personal income taxes in the country 

 

Highest energy taxes in the country 

 

High sales taxes 

 

High property taxes 

Sure: and the federal income tax slab up to 500K income is 35%. But when you deduct your mortgage interest, college investments, self employment expenses, 401K and IRA investments, etc, the overall tax picture is pretty good. And let's not forget your mega backdoor rollovers, offshore investments, and foreign currency advantages. Other countries exist, so don't give me this argument that Californians pay overly high taxes. 

[RubenRemus]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

yes,   read about this terrible fire as it has destroyed hundreds of mansions. 

 

Those poor Hollywood legends on paradise boulevard and broadwalk will have to build a new mansion.

 

very sad indeed. 

 

They will have to write a new cheque for  10 million  to build again.   

Back to your hole, Bugs. You have disqualified yourself. 

[RubenRemus]

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

One of the best state educational systems in the USA

One of the best health care systems in the USA

Some of the best social services in the USA

Some of the best municipal services in the USA

 

Sure, California could cut taxes, but then it would be like Louisiana or Mississippi with high rates of illiteracy, low wages, poor education, high infant mortality and reduced life spans.

Honestly, this is the MAGA recipe. Keep the plebes down and dumb so labor is cheap. 

[RubenRemus]

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

A state that thinks men can get pregnant. 

 

A state that wants people that never owned slaves, to give people that weren't slave, money, in a state, that never had slaves.

 

Some of the highest crime cites.

Some of the highest amount of homeless.

Even have a 'poop app' so can plan your day, to avoid as you walk around in one city.

 

Some areas so dry, have restricted use of water, to wash car, water the lawn.

 

High taxes, utilities, gas prices.

 

Sign me up 

 

Even those that can afford to live their are leaving.  That's a bit telling.

 

 

On topic ... fires & earthquakes are enough to deter most from living there.

Update your facts. Since 2020 California's population has either remained unchanged or grown every year. You basically cherry picked the one year that no one was moving. 

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, RubenRemus said:

Update your facts. Since 2020 California's population has either remained unchanged or grown every year. You basically cherry picked the one year that no one was moving. 

I didn't cherry pick anything.  Simply copy & pasted some info from AI.  As it agrees with my thinking of why some may want to leave.

 

Also didn't mention the population up or down, simply stated some who can afford to live there, left for greener pastures, and seem to be the well to do, looking for cheaper, less tax burden states.   Easy to find.

 

Amazing how so many read so much into my posts, that I don't even think about.  

 

With open borders, free sh!t for illegal immigrants, I don't think CA population will ever decrease.  Add warm weather for the homeless, and it BLISS 

[RubenRemus]

12 hours ago, illisdean said:

Corruption

Wow, Thanks to a link to an X post with a robot dog QR code. Consider your facts impeccible. 

Loads of the projects paid for by that bond are either well into progress or already. Some, like Los Vaqueros Reservoir, are to fund phases of massive ongoing investments to expand. While "completed" the larger vision is still many decades away. 

[RubenRemus]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I didn't cherry pick anything.  Simply copy & pasted some info from AI.  As it agrees with my thinking of why some may want to leave.

 

Also didn't mention the population up or down, simply stated some who can afford to live there, left for greener pastures, and seem to be the well to do, looking for cheaper, less tax burden states.   Easy to find.

 

Amazing how so many read so much into my posts, that I don't even think about.  

 

With open borders, free sh!t for illegal immigrants, I don't think CA population will ever decrease.  Add warm weather for the homeless, and it BLISS 

Well, you wrote "Even those that can afford to live there are leaving" and then you pasted a graphic about "population decline." No wonder. 
 

But given that all you are doing is copy and pasting from AI, you may be surprised to discover that other members of this community are using critical thinking skills. 

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, RubenRemus said:

Well, you wrote "Even those that can afford to live there are leaving" and then you pasted a graphic about "population decline." No wonder. 
 

But given that all you are doing is copy and pasting from AI, you may be surprised to discover that other members of this community are using critical thinking skills. 

You might want to use some of that 'critical thinking' and re-read my posts 

 

Didn't read the whole thread myself, but I believe most of those critical thinkers, aren't fans of living in CA, for the reasons I stated.  Except maybe the one I replied to, that thinks the state is paradise.

 

Have a nice day

[oxo1947]

[illisdean]

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The fire hydrants were not dry. They delivered water as intended. Go back and take a basic physics course. You cannot  maintain water pressure if all the hydrants are in use and the size of teh pipes limits the amount of water that can be transported.

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