Palisades Fire in LA has zero containment

[Hawaiian]

15 hours ago, jas007 said:

Today I saw a picture online of a totally burned out house in California, and in front of one was a blue shoe in the driveway that survived the blaze, apparently unscathed.  And that got me thinking.  That and the fact that I've seen other posts about strange flashes of light over the fires. Directed energy weapons to deliberately start the fires? 

 

Think back to the fire in Maui.  In the fall of 2023, I believe.  Anyway, remember all the houses with blue roofs that survived the fire?  In perfect shape while the houses all around in every direction were destroyed.  Even Biden knew about the blue roof thing when asked.  I got the feeling he spoke when he should have kept his mouth shut. 

 

Is it more than a coincidence? They never did truly get to the bottom of what happed in Maui back then, and there were more than a few clues pointing to something other than natural causes.  Directed energy weapons being tested out on prime real estate after a weather modification experiment?  The government is capable of both, no doubt.  Lots of pole would like to ge tiheir hands on prime Maui real estate, cheap.

 

Fast forward to the current California fires.  The same kind of freak winds.  Prime real estate.  And I'm sure lots of people will be standing in line to buy it cheap, once the dust settles.  Many were uninsured.  Billions in uninsured losses so far, and the fires are ongoing.  

Another conspiracy theory.  https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/10/the-verdict-is-in-maui-blames-wildfire-on-downed-powerline/

[jas007]

This is an interesting article:

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-11/fire-experts-asses-los-angeles-blazes-amid-changing-times

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Another conspiracy theory.  https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/10/the-verdict-is-in-maui-blames-wildfire-on-downed-powerline/

I don't doubt that it's called a "conspiracy theory."  However, that doesn't mean it's not true. Do you need examples? 

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

So you are claiming that Gavin Newsom has no influence over water conservation.  Funny how he manages to get everything else done, including funding all sorts of benefits for illegal aliens.

The mayor of LA also had money for her pet projects

 

• $100,000 for a “Midnight Stroll Transgender Cafe”
• $100,000 for the NAACP Awards
• $8,670 for the “One Institute the International Gay and Lesbian Archives” which currently has an exhibit titled “Sci-fi, Magick, Queer L.A.: Sexual Science and the Imagi-Nation,” focusing on the occult and “the LGBTQ movement.”
• $13,000 for “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Heritage Month Programs”
• $14,010 to the “Gay Men’s Chorus of Los Angeles”
• $52,000 total for the Los Angeles’ African American History Month, American Indian Heritage Month, Latino Heritage Month and Asian American History Month Programs allocated $13,000 each.
• $170,000 in total for “Social Justice Art-Worker Investments.”

https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/09/los-angeles-karen-bass-fire-budget/

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

I don't doubt that it's called a "conspiracy theory."  However, that doesn't mean it's not true. Do you need examples? 

I don't recall any houses with blue roofs that survived the Lahaina Fire, but here is one with a red roof.  https://www.npr.org/2023/08/24/1195331310/red-roof-house-fires-lahaina-hawaii

Would be nice if you have any examples.

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I don't recall any houses with blue roofs that survived the Lahaina Fire, but here is one with a red roof.  https://www.npr.org/2023/08/24/1195331310/red-roof-house-fires-lahaina-hawaii

Would be nice if you have any examples.

I think I've seen pictures.  Maybe they're still floating around. 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

This is an interesting article:

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-11/fire-experts-asses-los-angeles-blazes-amid-changing-times

Link has a paywall.  However, another LA Times story mentions Majorie Taylor Green's comment about lasers from outer space starting the Camp Fire and another one, from another source, about the Lahaina Fire being started by something similar.  I don't give much credence to anything MTG says.

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

So you are claiming that Gavin Newsom has no influence over water conservation.  Funny how he manages to get everything else done, including funding all sorts of benefits for illegal aliens.

 

 

Presenting a budget to the state legislature is quite different than managing  a specific infrastructure and local resources. The state legislators approve or amend the budget. The counties and municipalities oversee the local budgets and the management of local facilities. As previously stated, the CalFire budget was increased $150 million for 2023-2024. The small budget change for 2024-2025 was in effect the  spreading of disbursements over 5 years instead of 4, as the money would still be spent. Even if there had been $500 million extra to spend, it would not have helped with this fire.

 

Governor Newsom is being blamed for events that were beyond anyone's control. I was watching an ABC news report 15 minutes ago where they were interviewing one of the local fire chiefs, and he pointed out the following when asked what they could have done to  control the fires better. He  stated some things that are not being mentioned by the finger pointers;

- The wind storm was hurricane force and never  encountered to this extent before;

- The leakage from the water supply system  impacted the availability of water.  The "leakage" was from the private fire suppression systems that are hooked up to the public water pipes. Many houses have their own sprinkler systems. They all went into operation and bled off  critical water supplies.

 

And most interesting of all was the mention of why a 170 million gallon reservoir was empty: Despite the claims of the conspiracy promoters, the reservoir was undergoing needed repairs to  ensure its operation including the  sealing of leaks and the repairs of the pumping and supply infrastructure. No one is mentioning the reason  why the reservoir is dry, but they are blaming "politicians" for not having it filled. Well, you can't use a reservoir if it is leaking and can't pump or manage its water reserve. This is why it was being repaired, and was publicly declared.

[jas007]

57 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Link has a paywall.  However, another LA Times story mentions Majorie Taylor Green's comment about lasers from outer space starting the Camp Fire and another one, from another source, about the Lahaina Fire being started by something similar.  I don't give much credence to anything MTG says.

Basically, it's an article about two fire experts and what they think could have prevented the fires.  They emphasized the need for proper forest management techniques, better building materials, and the fact that while very high winds no doubt contributed to the severity of the fires and that containment of the fires might have been an exercise in futility once they became widespread, proper management of the brush and so on might have stopped some of the fires from starting in the first place.  That's just basic stuff.  Basic precautions. Do what can be done and do it diligently.  Fires will happen periodically, as they always do, but basic precautions must be maintained. 

[Nid_Noi]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

Presenting a budget to the state legislature is quite different than managing  a specific infrastructure and local resources. The state legislators approve or amend the budget. The counties and municipalities oversee the local budgets and the management of local facilities. As previously stated, the CalFire budget was increased $150 million for 2023-2024. The small budget change for 2024-2025 was in effect the  spreading of disbursements over 5 years instead of 4, as the money would still be spent. Even if there had been $500 million extra to spend, it would not have helped with this fire.

 

Governor Newsom is being blamed for events that were beyond anyone's control. I was watching an ABC news report 15 minutes ago where they were interviewing one of the local fire chiefs, and he pointed out the following when asked what they could have done to  control the fires better. He  stated some things that are not being mentioned by the finger pointers;

- The wind storm was hurricane force and never  encountered to this extent before;

- The leakage from the water supply system  impacted the availability of water.  The "leakage" was from the private fire suppression systems that are hooked up to the public water pipes. Many houses have their own sprinkler systems. They all went into operation and bled off  critical water supplies.

 

And most interesting of all was the mention of why a 170 million gallon reservoir was empty: Despite the claims of the conspiracy promoters, the reservoir was undergoing needed repairs to  ensure its operation including the  sealing of leaks and the repairs of the pumping and supply infrastructure. No one is mentioning the reason  why the reservoir is dry, but they are blaming "politicians" for not having it filled. Well, you can't use a reservoir if it is leaking and can't pump or manage its water reserve. This is why it was being repaired, and was publicly declared.

When you pay the insane amount of realty taxes, municipal, state and federal taxes Californians pay each year and you can’t get decent police and fire prevention services you are entitled to some explanations from your local politicians.

 

At least a Texan was smart enough to show how to prevent his Malibu Beach house to be consumed to the ground.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14272575/trash-tycoon-david-steiner-reveals-malibu-house-survived-la-fires.html?ito=email_share_article-floatingBar

[Hawaiian]

36 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Basically, it's an article about two fire experts and what they think could have prevented the fires.  They emphasized the need for proper forest management techniques, better building materials, and the fact that while very high winds no doubt contributed to the severity of the fires and that containment of the fires might have been an exercise in futility once they became widespread, proper management of the brush and so on might have stopped some of the fires from starting in the first place.  That's just basic stuff.  Basic precautions. Do what can be done and do it diligently.  Fires will happen periodically, as they always do, but basic precautions must be maintained. 

Same thing with Lahaina.  https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/10/maui-report-on-2018-lahaina-fire-failed-to-address-issues-that-reappeared-five-years-later/

One thing we have learned from history is that we have not learned from history.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

Presenting a budget to the state legislature is quite different than managing  a specific infrastructure and local resources. The state legislators approve or amend the budget. The counties and municipalities oversee the local budgets and the management of local facilities. As previously stated, the CalFire budget was increased $150 million for 2023-2024. The small budget change for 2024-2025 was in effect the  spreading of disbursements over 5 years instead of 4, as the money would still be spent. Even if there had been $500 million extra to spend, it would not have helped with this fire.

 

Governor Newsom is being blamed for events that were beyond anyone's control. I was watching an ABC news report 15 minutes ago where they were interviewing one of the local fire chiefs, and he pointed out the following when asked what they could have done to  control the fires better. He  stated some things that are not being mentioned by the finger pointers;

- The wind storm was hurricane force and never  encountered to this extent before;

- The leakage from the water supply system  impacted the availability of water.  The "leakage" was from the private fire suppression systems that are hooked up to the public water pipes. Many houses have their own sprinkler systems. They all went into operation and bled off  critical water supplies.

 

And most interesting of all was the mention of why a 170 million gallon reservoir was empty: Despite the claims of the conspiracy promoters, the reservoir was undergoing needed repairs to  ensure its operation including the  sealing of leaks and the repairs of the pumping and supply infrastructure. No one is mentioning the reason  why the reservoir is dry, but they are blaming "politicians" for not having it filled. Well, you can't use a reservoir if it is leaking and can't pump or manage its water reserve. This is why it was being repaired, and was publicly declared.

Notice I said influence, not power or authority.  He seems able to wield his influence on things like illegal immigration, leniency on criminals, LGBTQ rights and other measures that have cost the state billions of dollars in nonproductive (for lack of a better word) programs.

 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Link has a paywall.  However, another LA Times story mentions Majorie Taylor Green's comment about lasers from outer space starting the Camp Fire and another one, from another source, about the Lahaina Fire being started by something similar.  I don't give much credence to anything MTG says.

Very hard to have any regard for, nor any consideration of the words of an insane, unhinged, fairly dim witted, and very hateful person like MTG.

[Hawaiian]

14 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:

When you pay the insane amount of realty taxes, municipal, state and federal taxes Californians pay each year and you can’t get decent police and fire prevention services you are entitled to some explanations from your local politicians.

 

At least a Texan was smart enough to show how to prevent his Malibu Beach to be consumed to the ground.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14272575/trash-tycoon-david-steiner-reveals-malibu-house-survived-la-fires.html?ito=email_share_article-floatingBar

Quite similar to the house with the red roof that was unscathed in the 2023 Lahaina fire.  NOTE:  see my exchange of posts with member jas007.

[Hawaiian]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Very hard to have any regard for, nor any consideration of the words of an insane, unhinged, fairly dim witted, and very hateful person like MTG.

You described her with language I would like to use but refrain from using.

[spidermike007]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

You described her with language I would like to use but refrain from using.

Feel free. Let loose. She has earned it, and richly deserves any criticism that comes her way. 

[jas007]

50 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Very hard to have any regard for, nor any consideration of the words of an insane, unhinged, fairly dim witted, and very hateful person like MTG.

The article I was referring to has nothing to do with MTG.  I'm not sure what her theories are on the whole thing.  Sometimes she seems to be nuts, but I like her just because she's good at stirring up trouble.  Sometimes, that's a good thing.  Calling into question mainstream beliefs to allow for more discussion. 

[Nid_Noi]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:52 AM, Patong2021 said:

The fire hydrants were not dry. They delivered water as intended. Go back and take a basic physics course. You cannot  maintain water pressure if all the hydrants are in use and the size of teh pipes limits the amount of water that can be transported.

You can keep water pressure if water reservoirs are well stocked, number of pumps are designed in relation to diameter of the pipes and their numbers are sufficient for the network they are supposed to cover. Plenty electricity is required to make the system efficient.

Maybe one day California will invest in more desalination plants. The 5 actual plants have not the necessary capacities and the 2 projects voted in 2015, expected to be in operation in 2022 have been delayed until 2028.

Another factor is the cost of electricity (the most expensive in the US). These plants need an additional nuclear generation plant to be 100% operational.

 

https://lynceans.org/all-posts/status-of-desalination-plants-in-california-2/#:~:text=Sand City Coastal Desalination Plant in Monterey County was the,acre-feet%2Fyear).

 

California has only one nuclear plant with only 2 reactors (the Diablo Canyon). Since the 1970s many plants have been decommissioned after ecologists have fought against nuclear energy.

No energy, no fire hydrants.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_California

[thaipo7]

On 1/8/2025 at 3:47 PM, John Drake said:

 

Just stuff I'm seeing on Twitter/X but it's all reporting that reservoirs were not refilled. No water to fight the fires. Just like Maui. Don't know if this true, but if it is . . .

Democrat policies at work.  Republicans may not be able to fix all the problems but the Democrats are sure the cause of all the problems.

[Jingthing]

47 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The article I was referring to has nothing to do with MTG.  I'm not sure what her theories are on the whole thing.  Sometimes she seems to be nuts, but I like her just because she's good at stirring up trouble.  Sometimes, that's a good thing.  Calling into question mainstream beliefs to allow for more discussion. 

Mainstream beliefs such as there aren't Jewish space lasers.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, thaipo7 said:

Democrat policies at work.  Republicans may not be able to fix all the problems but the Democrats are sure the cause of all the problems.

That's obviously a total crock. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Notice I said influence, not power or authority.  He seems able to wield his influence on things like illegal immigration, leniency on criminals, LGBTQ rights and other measures that have cost the state billions of dollars in nonproductive (for lack of a better word) programs.

 

Oh no. LGBTQ civil rights. So nonproductive. Do you consider yourself SUPERIOR to such minority groups? In general maga people do. 

[jerrymahoney]

9 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

Democrat policies at work.  Republicans may not be able to fix all the problems but the Democrats are sure the cause of all the problems.

Governors of California prior to the current Governor Gavin Newsom:

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Oh no. LGBTQ civil rights. So nonproductive. Do you consider yourself SUPERIOR to such minority groups? In general maga people do. 

Non-productive agendas are all well and good, provided the core functions of government aren't ignored.  Here. in the case of the fires, there was a systemic failure.  A failure at every level, no doubt caused, at least in part, by people in authority focusing on their pet agendas rather than their jobs.  For example, the mayor of LA knew fires were possible.  She had weather forecasts, she keow it was the season for Santa Ana winds, and yet where was she? In Africa, not at all worried about LA and its people. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Non-productive agendas are all well and good, provided the core functions of government aren't ignored.  Here. in the case of the fires, there was a systemic failure.  A failure at every level, no doubt caused, at least in part, by people in authority focusing on their pet agendas rather than their jobs.  For example, the mayor of LA knew fires were possible.  She had weather forecasts, she keow it was the season for Santa Ana winds, and yet where was she? In Africa, not at all worried about LA and its people. 

 

 

Civil rights are non-productive?

It's not surprising that the rhetoric of maga republican Americans mirrors autocracies such as Z Putin Russians in most every way.

[Srikcir]

"California Fires: Multiple people accused of arson as firestorm rages in LA," by FOX 11 Digital Team Published  January 11, 2025 https://www.foxla.com/

• The Kenneth Fire, which broke out in West Hills, is being investigated as arson.
• As fire crews continue to work to extinguish deadly wildfires across Southern California, at least two people have been arrested in recent days, accused of trying to start fires in the area.
• A police source told FOX 11 that a man who was arrested Thursday in Woodland Hills may be linked to the fire.
• Pioneer Park - Jose Carranza-Escobar standing near the flames and arrested him. Officials said that Carranza-Escobar, who they described as a transient, admitted to starting the fire.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

The article I was referring to has nothing to do with MTG.  I'm not sure what her theories are on the whole thing.  Sometimes she seems to be nuts, but I like her just because she's good at stirring up trouble.  Sometimes, that's a good thing.  Calling into question mainstream beliefs to allow for more discussion. 

Do you mean comments like these?     https://www.newsweek.com/majorie-taylor-greenes-most-outrageous-quotes-this-year-1769407 

[jas007]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Civil rights are non-productive?

It's not surprising that the rhetoric of maga republican Americans mirrors autocracies such as Z Putin Russians in most every way.

Of course they're "productive" is a certain sense, but obviously can be counterproductive on balance, if the end result is the breakdown of the system because core duties were ignored.  How is that so hard to understand?  

 

Imagine you're in a hospital for open heart surgery.  During your surgery, an entire team is there.  The surgeon, the anesthesiologists, the nurses. each with their own function. Each plays a critical role. And of course, you can rightly expect that the hospital's back-up electric generators will work in case of a power outage.  Your life depends on an entire team, all attending to their jobs.  

 

Your surgery is botched and you die.  Reason?  Maybe the anesthesiologist was daydreaming about some DEI project.  Or maybe, it was the surgeon, or both.  Or the nurse failed in some core aspect of her job for a similar reason. You're dead because people weren't performing their core functions.  Get it? There are certain basics.  Forget those, and you're not doing your job.  

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Of course they're "productive" is a certain sense, but obviously can be counterproductive on balance, if the end result is the breakdown of the system because core duties were ignored.  How is that so hard to understand?  

 

Imagine you're in a hospital for open heart surgery.  During your surgery, an entire team is there.  The surgeon, the anesthesiologists, the nurses. each with their own function. Each plays a critical role. And of course, you can rightly expect that the hospital's back-up electric generators will work in case of a power outage.  Your life depends on an entire team, all attending to their jobs.  

 

Your surgery is botched and you die.  Reason?  Maybe the anesthesiologist was daydreaming about some DEI project.  Or maybe, it was the surgeon, or both.  Or the nurse failed in some core aspect of her job for a similar reason. You're dead because people weren't performing their core functions.  Get it? There are certain basics.  Forget those, and you're not doing your job.  

No. That was vile fear mongering. 

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

https://www.newsweek.com/majorie-taylor-greenes-most-outrageous-quotes-this-year-1769407 

Yep.  She usually speaks her mind.  Mostly, it's funny.