Motorcyclist Chases Down Foreign Hit-and-Run Driver in Phuket

[lordgrinz]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

the grey car was able to slam on the brakes to avoid the accident

 

Melodramatic much? The gray car slowed down, I don't hear or see any slamming on brakes, or skid marks involved. 

[KhunHeineken]

On 1/13/2025 at 3:44 AM, chickenslegs said:

No excuses for the Hyundai driver.

 

On 1/13/2025 at 3:44 AM, chickenslegs said:

My guess is that he drove off fearing an assault,

All too common here. 

 

Yes, the accident is the foreigners fault. 

 

However, when the agro starts, they are in fear for their safety and drive of. 

 

Basically, the accident is the foreigners fault, but the drive off is the Thai's fault. 

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Maybe comprehension isn't your strongest point, try to read my post again, s l o w l y this time.

I said insurance will not pay if there is head trauma because no helmet.

Does that make him at fault? Certainly it does for the insurance

Porobor insurance will pay.

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

 

All too common here. 

 

Yes, the accident is the foreigners fault. 

 

However, when the agro starts, they are in fear for their safety and drive of. 

 

Basically, the accident is the foreigners fault, but the drive off is the Thai's fault. 

No 'agro' at all here. Just watch the video.

[CallumWK]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Porobor insurance will pay.

 

And your point is?

 

 

[stevenl]

29 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

And your point is?

 

 

You said "I said insurance will not pay if there is head trauma because no helmet."

Which is not true. Also health insurance will pay.

[Yellowtail]

13 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Melodramatic much? The gray car slowed down, I don't hear or see any slamming on brakes, or skid marks involved. 

You don't see the brake lights? Never heard of antilock brakes?

 

So if the grey car had gone into a skid (like on TV) it then would have been the white car's fault? 

 

You don't drive in Thailand, do you? 

[richard_smith237]

21 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

21 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

And you'd be wrong, based on the letter of the law.

No, he would not.

 

My point on this is that none of us know the 'letter of the law' - as the regulations regardign riding on what we are calling the 'shoulder' lane is quite a grey area, as in places there are signs that specifically highlight that Motorcycles can ride in the 'shoulder lane'.

 

19 hours ago, CallumWK said:

It's not unclear. If there is a full white or yellow line between the hard shoulder and the road, it is an emergency lane.

 

And it is not allowed for motorized vehicles to use the emergency lane, except in emergencies

 

This seems to be a 'sticking point' in the discussion...     as this photo below, posted by gomangosteen on page one of this thread - the legality of motorcycle use on the 'shoulder lane' appears to vary from area to area and road to road - thus, your statement is not entirely factual.

 

Thus: None of us know for certain if Motorcycles can legally use this lane or not.

 

But - think the point is somewhat moot, as it was the 'reckless driving' of the Hyundai driver that caused the accident even if the motorcyclist is complicit for riding recklessly, that does not absolve the Hyundai driver of fault.

Its not an either or sitation -

The Hyundai driver is at fault for the accident due to reckless driving, the motorcyclist 'might' also be at fault for riding illegally down the 'shoulder lane' if in fact it is deemed illegal (which we don't yet know).

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

18 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

Melodramatic much? The gray car slowed down, I don't hear or see any slamming on brakes, or skid marks involved. 

You don't see the brake lights? Never heard of antilock brakes?

 

The grey car was 'forced' to take evasive action and brake to avoid an accident... 'slamming on the brakes' may not accurately describe the braking action in this case, but that becomes a discussion of semantics...

 

Its clear that IF the grey car did not take evasive action and brake he would not have avoided a collision.

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

This seems to be a 'sticking point' in the discussion...     as this photo below, posted by gomangosteen on page one of this thread - the legality of motorcycle use on the 'shoulder lane' appears to vary from area to area and road to road - thus, your statement is not entirely factual.

 

It is still no point of discussion for me.

The road in the picture is a 1 lane road, where there is a signage that it concerns a designated bike lane, and  there is a double white line, which indicates that it can not be crossed by either the bikes or the cars. So it is not even to be used as a hard shoulder.

The road in Phuket is a 2 lane road, with no bike lane signage, and a single white line

[KhunHeineken]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

No 'agro' at all here. Just watch the video.

Do you deny it happens? 

 

Don't get me wrong.  It's all theatrics, portraying "anger" so as to demand more money out of the farang. 

 

I've seen it many times. 

[lordgrinz]

9 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

It is still no point of discussion for me.

The road in the picture is a 1 lane road, where there is a signage that it concerns a designated bike lane, and  there is a double white line, which indicates that it can not be crossed by either the bikes or the cars. So it is not even to be used as a hard shoulder.

The road in Phuket is a 2 lane road, with no bike lane signage, and a single white line

 

I'm glad somebody gets it, the motorcycle ran into the Hyundai, simple as that. The motorcycle was travelling and undertaking vehicles on the road using the shoulder/emergency lane, the Hyundai cutting off the gray car on the roadway in a lane of traffic has nothing to do with the motorcycle driving illegally in the shoulder and crashing into the Hyundai.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

It is still no point of discussion for me.

The road in the picture is a 1 lane road, where there is a signage that it concerns a designated bike lane, and  there is a double white line, which indicates that it can not be crossed by either the bikes or the cars. So it is not even to be used as a hard shoulder.

The road in Phuket is a 2 lane road, with no bike lane signage, and a single white line

 

This (photo below) is the same road, same direction, a couple of KM's earlier up the the road... 

 

Its clear that there are 3 driving lanes, and a 'shoulder'...   the inside (left most) driving lane, is marked by a solid white line on both sides...  Its not a 'shoulder'... 

The 'shoulder' is also marked to the left of this.

 

Further on down the same road, the 'shoulder' disappears and makes way for sidewalk / pavement - the the inside (left most) driving lane remains the same with marked by a solid white line to the left and right.

 

To me this is fairly clear information that the motorcyclist was not riding down the shoulder as initially suspected, but is infact riding down a dedicated driving lane (as stevenl pointed out earlier in the thread and which I incorrectly contradicted).

 

 

 

 

[CallumWK]

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Further on down the same road, the 'shoulder' disappears and makes way for sidewalk / pavement - the the inside (left most) driving lane remains the same with marked by a solid white line to the left and right.

 

No the shoulder doesn't disappear, the third lane disappears.

But as we all know already that you like to hear your own voice, and in every thread want to have the last word, don't bother to reply as I will not engage in any conversation with you again.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

No the shoulder doesn't disappear, the third lane disappears.

But as we all know already that you like to hear your own voice, and in every thread want to have the last word, don't bother to reply as I will not engage in any conversation with you again.

 

Why get so upset and twisted ?? take a pill...  this is just a discussion.

 

Originally my thoughts were exactly as yours, that this is a shoulder and not a driving lane. 

 

After looking at more information (and google maps) its clear that I was mistaken and the motorcycle is in fact riding down a 'driving lane'...  that is marked with solid while lines (likely an attempt by road planners to prevent traffic darting in and out of it).

 

Thus, drop whatever prejudice you may have, untwist your knickers and take a fresh look...