Thai tax tangle: Expats warned of new rules on overseas income

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, anchadian said:

 

 

This fellow is getting more and more entertaining in each video.

 

It's like one of our reptilian overlords living on a secret base on the dark side of the moon, assessable only via stargate behind the Antarctic ice wall, ran a cloning operation that merged a flat earf'er with a creationist, resulting in a sovereign citizen.

 

"But officer, I'm not driving, I'm traveling!  And this is not a motor vehicle, it's my conveyance, my personal property not in commerce, traveling from A to B.  And you don't have personal jurisdiction over this flesh and blood, standing on the earf', lower case name not affiliated with the all-caps entity shown on that arrest warrant.  I want a supervisor.  NOW.  So is this an Article 3 detention?  Are you coercing me under common law or maritime law?   Hey!  You can't taze me!"

[CallumWK]

4 hours ago, anchadian said:

 

 

He must be reading Heineken's posts

[anchadian]

Yes, I'm in the same position as yourself.

It was my intention to apply for a TIN and file a return but about a couple of weeks ago I visited my local tax office with all relevant docs and the lady official informed me that there is no need to file as your remittances are well before the D/A although, she didn't ask if I was employed here.

 

 

[CallumWK]

18 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

How do they know it's "misinformation" if you don't post any information to counter it? 

 

In my opinion, at the end of this year it will snow in Phuket, and there will be a huge inflow of winter tourists, all come skiing here.

 

Now post some information to counter it.

[redwood1]

16 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

This fellow is getting more and more entertaining in each video.

 

It's like one of our reptilian overlords living on a secret base on the dark side of the moon, assessable only via stargate behind the Antarctic ice wall, ran a cloning operation that merged a flat earf'er with a creationist, resulting in a sovereign citizen.

 

"But officer, I'm not driving, I'm traveling!  And this is not a motor vehicle, it's my conveyance, my personal property not in commerce, traveling from A to B.  And you don't have personal jurisdiction over this flesh and blood, standing on the earf', lower case name not affiliated with the all-caps entity shown on that arrest warrant.  I want a supervisor.  NOW.  So is this an Article 3 detention?  Are you coercing me under common law or maritime law?   Hey!  You can't taze me!"

 

Yea well this guy is the only one that calls a spade a spade....And he is quite happy to call out all the phony money grubbing tax advisor frauds in lots of videos in this thread..

[NoDisplayName]

4 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

Yea well this guy is the only one that calls a spade a spade....And he is quite happy to call out all the phony money grubbing tax advisor frauds in lots of videos in this thread..

 

We've been flooded with videos from multiple sources.

 

One prolific poster is from a law firm that clickbaits customers by running a website with an address impersonating the Thai embassy.

 

Another is a conspiracy guy who renounced US citizenship but is claiming to be an "American lawyer."

 

Who am I to trust?

[KhunHeineken]

19 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Nice choice!

Read his video summary:

 

Are you a foreigner living in Thailand for more than 180 days a year? Then listen up - Thailand considers you a tax resident, and that means you're required to report your worldwide income if it's brought into the country during the same tax year.

 

He claims:

If you are tax resident, regardless of income, you must obtain a TIN.

If you remit ANY 2024 income, exempt or not, regardless of amount, you must file a return and declare it.

 

Scaremongers gonna mong!

 

Maybe find a credible source if ya wanna post some fearporn.

 

Oh, and at 9:30, news guy says if you have questions, put 'em down below in the comments.

 

But.........."Comments are turned off."

Seems they aren't so very sure of themselves, after all.

 

 

 

Just another video that's out there. 

 

I don't know the guy.  I have never engaged the services of his business. 

 

There's a thread running where the boss of the TRD tells tax residents to file, and you still put your own "spin" on it. 

 

Good Luck try trying to buck the Thai system. We've seen others try it, and it did not end well for them.

 

[KhunHeineken]

19 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Of course you have.

Yes, some people, like yourself, for example, need to watch it three times. 

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

He must be reading Heineken's posts

He must be the only one who takes any notice of the contents if he does read them!

[KhunHeineken]

2 hours ago, jwest10 said:

Yet again my local Revenue office have stated as my income is less than the allowed  Personal Allowances that I do not need to file a tax form,

Are you living on previously transferred money?  

[KhunHeineken]

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

He must be reading Heineken's posts

Watch 13:10 to 13:45.

 

It soooooooo funny to be called a scaremonger by people who have posted this guy's videos, now, he even says what I have been saying all along. 

 

 

[jwest10]

6 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Are you living on previously transferred money?  

No just stating what my local Revenue Office have state many times and yes keeping my manual records but not needed.

[KhunHeineken]

19 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

He must be the only one who takes any notice of the contents if he does read them!

Professionals in the legal and financial and visa industries here all see the writing on the wall, as do many expats. 

 

You are in the minority, still hoping all this goes away. 

 

It's not going to go away. 

[KhunHeineken]

2 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

No just stating what my local Revenue Office have state many times and yes keeping my manual records but not needed.

If you are under the tax free threshold, then fine. 

 

I don't know many expats that could live here comfortably on that amount, but good luck to you.  

[KhunHeineken]

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

This fellow is getting more and more entertaining in each video.

 

It's like one of our reptilian overlords living on a secret base on the dark side of the moon, assessable only via stargate behind the Antarctic ice wall, ran a cloning operation that merged a flat earf'er with a creationist, resulting in a sovereign citizen.

 

"But officer, I'm not driving, I'm traveling!  And this is not a motor vehicle, it's my conveyance, my personal property not in commerce, traveling from A to B.  And you don't have personal jurisdiction over this flesh and blood, standing on the earf', lower case name not affiliated with the all-caps entity shown on that arrest warrant.  I want a supervisor.  NOW.  So is this an Article 3 detention?  Are you coercing me under common law or maritime law?   Hey!  You can't taze me!"

Any chance you could post a video made by an individual, or company, that reflects your views on the tax policy? 

[jwest10]

8 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

If you are under the tax free threshold, then fine. 

 

I don't know many expats that could live here comfortably on that amount, but good luck to you.  

Ther are very many I suspect and yes the savings going down

[redwood1]

KhunHeineken  you are now BANNED from posting in this thread.

 

No one wants to read your nonsense any more....

[KhunHeineken]

6 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

KhunHeineken  you are now BANNED from posting in this thread.

 

No one wants to read your nonsense any more....

Best you put me on your ignore list.  It allow people who are not ostriches to discuss this tax policy. 

 

Just before you do, you might like to watch 13:10 to 13:45. 

 

For the record, some members put forward videos from this guy to counter my "scaremongering." 

 

Now, here he is say there is a real possibility a tax clearance certificate will be needed at extension time.  

 

It's soooooooo funny. 

 

 

[stoutfella]

Finally, I thought I would write a "thank you" note to all who have posted valuable information on here. You have saved me much money as I now don't have to tour the bars of Pattaya seeking out this information and my wife is much relieved that I am not to be let loose in Pattaya  unaccompanied.

 

I really can't understand what all the premature panic is about. As far as I am aware the government has as yet made no definitive statement regarding this issue so until they do I am not going to risk elevating my blood pressure with the possible associated heart attack. There are many, many more things in Thailand which can cause that already so why add unnecessarily add to them?

 

[KhunHeineken]

29 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Ther are very many I suspect and yes the savings going down

I suppose most of them would be in the village, but I don't think too many in southern tourist areas. 

[KhunHeineken]

1 minute ago, stoutfella said:

Finally, I thought I would write a "thank you" note to all who have posted valuable information on here. You have saved me much money as I now don't have to tour the bars of Pattaya seeking out this information and my wife is much relieved that I am not to be let loose in Pattaya on unaccompanied.

 

I really can't understand what all the premature panic is about. As far as I am aware the government has as yet made no definitive statement regarding this issue so until they do I am not going to risk elevating my blood pressure with the possible associated heart attack. There are many, many more things in Thailand which can cause that already so why add unnecessarily add to them?

 

Is the 31st March marked on your calendar?

[stoutfella]

Yes, but has it happened yet, and on that day exactly what will happen?

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Professionals in the legal and financial and visa industries here all see the writing on the wall,

 

It's not the writing on the wall, it's the dollar signs in their eyes, thinking of all the fools they can fool into paying for unneeded services.

 

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Any chance you could post a video made by an individual, or company, that reflects your views on the tax policy? 

 

Would it matter?  You'll just keep "cycling" through your narrative, and post more drivel, demanding someone refute the latest clickbait youtube clip.

 

Tax season is half over, no new forms have appeared, no new documentation requirements have been been added.  We're still self-determining accessibility, we're still self-determining need to file.

 

No taxpayer has been audited, no taxpayer has been required to submit proof of source of funds.  A few have voluntarily handed over a binder of financial statements, and the TRD officer either hasn't cared, or had to fudge some way to use them.

 

Extensions are being granted by immigration as before, travelers are crossing the borders as before.

 

Nothing has changed, and nothing will change.....this year, fer shirley!

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Any chance you could post a video made by an individual, or company, that reflects your views on the tax policy? 

 

Here's one for you, from your little buddy, the "American" lawyer.

Immigration has no inclination to include tax documentation in visa/extension matters.

 

 

[TheAppletons]

8 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

You'll just keep "cycling" through your narrative, and post more drivel, demanding someone refute the latest clickbait youtube clip.

 

  Thumbs up on the referential verbiage, lol.   

[KhunHeineken]

11 hours ago, anchadian said:

Grow up Khun Heineken, even my teenage daughter could complete a Thai tax return without having to go through an agent as you yourself stated earlier.

 

You must have more money than sense.

As I have posted before, where possible, I do not want to deal with any Thai officials, and I am happy to pay for it.

 

I am not one of the "I get the misses to do it" group.  I'm single, but even with a Thai partner I would maintain my independence.  

 

As I said, the 800k baht back in my home country, earning more than 5%, more than covers the cost of an agent, and then some.

 

Tax agents can actually "negotiate" one's tax bill. Myself, and the agent I have tentatively chosen, have discussed my circumstances and we have both agreed on an amount of tax I "should" pay.  

 

If the agent can negotiate that down a little, well, that may cover his fees.  If he negotiates it down a lot, he'll get a bonus. 

 

So, I'm on the golf course, and not waiting in a TRD queue, or being told I'm one photocopy short etc, for the same price as doing it myself, or possibly less.  I'll see how he goes.  TiT.     

 

I have posted before I'm giving Thailand a chance at this.  I am prepared to pay 2024 tax, but did minimize my remittances.   

[KhunHeineken]

18 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Here's one for you, from your little buddy, the "American" lawyer.

Immigration has no inclination to include tax documentation in visa/extension matters.

 

 

He's not my little buddy. 

 

I was not the first to post his video. 

 

I actually posted that he may be sailing close to defamation in one of his videos where he basically said Thailand can't even enforce labor laws, so how can they enforce this tax law.  He was very critical of Thailand in that video. 

 

Watch 13:10 to 13:45.  He even says he believes a certificate will be needed for immigration.  

 

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

29 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Would it matter? 

Yes, it would. 

 

31 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Tax season is half over, no new forms have appeared, no new documentation requirements have been been added.  We're still self-determining accessibility, we're still self-determining need to file.

Like I said, why doesn't every foreigner just "say" they are only remitting non assessable income, and we get the Mods to close all these threads.  It's sorted.  Over.  Done and dusted.  Finished. 

 

However, in my opinion, I am sure the Thai's have something up their sleeve for such a scenario.  I have put forward one such scenario.  

 

33 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

No taxpayer has been audited, no taxpayer has been required to submit proof of source of funds. 

The tax filing window period hasn't closed yet. 

 

34 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

A few have voluntarily handed over a binder of financial statements, and the TRD officer either hasn't cared, or had to fudge some way to use them.

That's "The Somchai Shuffle."  Bound to cause chaos, and already is. 

 

35 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Extensions are being granted by immigration as before, travelers are crossing the borders as before.

The tax filing window period hasn't closed yet. 

 

35 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Nothing has changed, and nothing will change.....this year, fer shirley!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, so it's "this year" now. 

 

Careful, that looks like you are suggesting things COULD change next year, and that's scaremongering. 

[KhunHeineken]

49 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

It's not the writing on the wall, it's the dollar signs in their eyes, thinking of all the fools they can fool into paying for unneeded services.

 

Senior Legal Officer of the TRD. 

 

Yes, the Thai government has dollar signs in their eyes as well.