TIN at Chalong Revenue Office

[MarkT63]

Hi Guys

 

Tried to get my TIN at Chalong Revenue Office. Took all documents needed (well, had to go back a second time with extra docs!)

 

After 1/2 hour of answering questions and explaining things, the young lady tried to tell me I owed over 300k baht in tax!

 

I tried to explain again that I only wanted a TIN so I could get my tax return in order and ready to file but that was met with blank looks all around.

 

I thought you needed a TIN before you could file a tax return but I think she was trying to say they issue a TIN after they have received my tax return??

 

I was trying to avoid using an accountant  as I have calculated my tax liability will be very low for 2024 but unless anyone has got any helpful ideas that might be my only option.

 

Cheers

 

[federicoP]

The smartest person, who has always helped me with my taxes, is a middle-aged man who is in the row of desks that you find in front of you when you enter, in the desk furthest to the left.
It seems that he is the one who usually follows the foreigners, try contacting him.

 

I had the TIN for ten years before having to file my first tax return, I do not believe that it is necessary to pay taxes before having a TIN.....

[LivinginKata]

Have to have a TIN before you can pay any income tax. Years ago when I needed a TIN I had to go to the head tax office in Phuket Town out about 1 km past the Land Office. 

[dayo202]

That's your own fault volunteering

[NE1]

34 minutes ago, LivinginKata said:

Have to have a TIN before you can pay any income tax

Does that mean that the tax i get deducted from interest by my bank is done without me having a TIN ?

 

[oliverphoenix2]

5 hours ago, MarkT63 said:

I was trying to avoid using an accountant  as I have calculated my tax liability will be very low for 2024

 

    It almost sounds like they were trying to get you to sign a tax declaration in advance so that they would have a record of your tax liability straight away after obtaining a TIN. As already mentioned I believe you obtain a TIN first.

    There may have been some miscommunication or even RD incompetence, there is a big difference in their assessment and yours. You may get some definitive answers from other posters as to what is/isn't assessable if you're doubting the RD's assessment.

    If it's not too private it would be very useful to know some general details of what they were claiming tax on, e.g. was the income pre 2024, where the income was made, when/if it was remitted to Thailand, acknowledgement of exemption for any DTA, how they handled comingled accounts (LIFO or FIFO)  ?

    Best of luck.

    

[Celsius]

what's that proverb about fool and his money are easily parted?

[merijn]

13 hours ago, MarkT63 said:

After 1/2 hour of answering questions and explaining things, the young lady tried to tell me I owed over 300k baht in tax!

300 K Baht (300.000 Baht) in taxes ?

Sounds a lot to me.

 

I will go there in a few weeks to see if a can a TIN only  or if it is required in the first place as i pay taxes in the country where i work.

[LivinginKata]

8 hours ago, NE1 said:

Does that mean that the tax i get deducted from interest by my bank is done without me having a TIN ?

 

 

Correct. 

[bkk6060]

Interesting how folks who claim to be in the know keep saying here how smart TRD is and how you need to file taxes and don't want to mess with them.  Yet, sure seems like based upon several reports on AN these offices have no clue as to what is going on.

[MarkT63]

11 hours ago, Celsius said:

what's that proverb about fool and his money are easily parted?

Was expecting this sort of comment from someone 😴. I need a TIN for offshore financial reasons, not because I am planning to give these Muppets a single baht of my money. But thanks for the useful contribution anyway - NOT

[MarkT63]

12 hours ago, dayo202 said:

That's your own fault volunteering

😴

[Celsius]

9 minutes ago, MarkT63 said:

Was expecting this sort of comment from someone 😴. I need a TIN for offshore financial reasons, not because I am planning to give these Muppets a single baht of my money. But thanks for the useful contribution anyway - NOT

 

You shouldn't have gone there. offshore or not, none of their business.

 

You just got assessed a 300k baht tax invoice on the spot. You can zzz me all you want but it wasn't a smart move.

[MarkT63]

12 hours ago, oliverphoenix2 said:

 

    It almost sounds like they were trying to get you to sign a tax declaration in advance so that they would have a record of your tax liability straight away after obtaining a TIN. As already mentioned I believe you obtain a TIN first.

    There may have been some miscommunication or even RD incompetence, there is a big difference in their assessment and yours. You may get some definitive answers from other posters as to what is/isn't assessable if you're doubting the RD's assessment.

    If it's not too private it would be very useful to know some general details of what they were claiming tax on, e.g. was the income pre 2024, where the income was made, when/if it was remitted to Thailand, acknowledgement of exemption for any DTA, how they handled comingled accounts (LIFO or FIFO)  ?

    Best of luck.

    

Definitely RD incompetence. To try and get a TIN I showed her proof of two lump sums brought from offshore investment in to Thailand in the second half of 2024 and it looks like she just applied tax to those amounts despite the fact that I showed her only 20% of the total was 2024 income (investment profit). UK citizen but not sure that makes any difference. Trying to get a TIN because the hassle I had with this first company I disinvestment because I could not provide a TIN so thought it would be useful to have one for future disinvestments 

[MarkT63]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Interesting how folks who claim to be in the know keep saying here how smart TRD is and how you need to file taxes and don't want to mess with them.  Yet, sure seems like based upon several reports on AN these offices have no clue as to what is going on.

Not sure I said any of that in my post?? But thanks anyway. 

[MarkT63]

4 hours ago, merijn said:

300 K Baht (300.000 Baht) in taxes ?

Sounds a lot to me.

 

I will go there in a few weeks to see if a can a TIN only  or if it is required in the first place as i pay taxes in the country where i work.

Good luck 🍻

[JimGant]

34 minutes ago, MarkT63 said:

To try and get a TIN I showed her proof of two lump sums brought from offshore investment in to Thailand in the second half of 2024 and it looks like she just applied tax to those amounts despite the fact that I showed her only 20% of the total was 2024 income (investment profit).

I hope she was just daft, and not up-to-speed on TRD guidance on Por 162 pre 2024 income.....I say this because Expatthaitax (a tax advisory firm) has put the word out that Por 162 exemption only applies to pre 2024 bank accounts. Period. Thus, money in investments, brokerages, Individual Retirement Accounts, etc are NOT covered. Where Expatthaitax got their readout of Por 162 from, I dunno. But maybe this TRD lady got the same briefing......

[stevenl]

On 1/17/2025 at 5:32 AM, bkk6060 said:

Interesting how folks who claim to be in the know keep saying here how smart TRD is and how you need to file taxes and don't want to mess with them.  Yet, sure seems like based upon several reports on AN these offices have no clue as to what is going on.

I think they know exactly what's going on. Requirements haven't changed. Foreigners are panicking over vague plans to change the tax law, other foreigners in the form of tax consultants are jumping in on that by giving unfounded advice to make money.

[Hamus Yaigh]

On 1/16/2025 at 3:21 PM, MarkT63 said:

After 1/2 hour of answering questions and explaining things, the young lady tried to tell me I owed over 300k baht in tax!

 

I tried to explain again that I only wanted a TIN so I could get my tax return in order and ready to file but that was met with blank looks all around.

Why did you have to wait 1/2 hour before explaining you wanted a TIN? Could you not get a word in edgeways? Otherwise it sounds like you were getting a shakedown.

[NoDisplayName]

On 1/17/2025 at 9:10 AM, MarkT63 said:

Was expecting this sort of comment from someone 😴. I need a TIN for offshore financial reasons, not because I am planning to give these Muppets a single baht of my money. But thanks for the useful contribution anyway - NOT

 

If you have a pink ID, that is also your TIN.

 

If not, get an interest withholding statement from your bank.  Take that to TRD and tell them you need to file a return to claim a refund of withheld taxes.

 

Don't mention the deposits, I believe you can fill an amended return later if you wish.  You could get the TIN and tell them you'll file online to save them the trouble.

 

***DISCLAIMER:  NOT ADVICE.  FOR EXTERNAL USE ONLY.***

[jwest10]

19 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

If you have a pink ID, that is also your TIN.

 

If not, get an interest withholding statement from your bank.  Take that to TRD and tell them you need to file a return to claim a refund of withheld taxes.

 

Don't mention the deposits, I believe you can fill an amended return later if you wish.  You could get the TIN and tell them you'll file online to save them the trouble.

 

***DISCLAIMER:  NOT ADVICE.  FOR EXTERNAL USE ONLY.***

NoDisplayName
Yes I have been told that about the pink Id card but something about neing registered but it has the same number of digits for those who have Tin and explained my allowances higher than my income and no tax to pay and have gone up several times to my local Revenue Office.
So no need to file a non-existent tax form but might go up one more time!!!

[NoDisplayName]

3 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

NoDisplayName
Yes I have been told that about the pink Id card but something about neing registered but it has the same number of digits for those who have Tin and explained my allowances higher than my income and no tax to pay and have gone up several times to my local Revenue Office.
So no need to file a non-existent tax form but might go up one more time!!!

 

My understanding is that sometime during the last decade the TIN and pink ID systems were reorganized to use the same numbers.

 

I had a 13-digit TIN from Bangkok in 2016, got pinkie from Korat in 2023.  Different numbers.  Online system did not recognize either.

 

Went to local TRD, they cancelled my TIN, and called main Korat office to have pinkie activated for online use.

 

I believe the activation is only to register pinkie with the online system.  You should still be able to mail in paper returns using pink without activation.

 

[Njoku]

On 1/17/2025 at 5:32 AM, bkk6060 said:

Interesting how folks who claim to be in the know keep saying here how smart TRD is and how you need to file taxes and don't want to mess with them.  Yet, sure seems like based upon several reports on AN these offices have no clue as to what is going on.

Dont know why you are surprised about that, its common with 80% of Thais you deal with that product knowledge is close to zero, Ive had numerous run ins with people who know jack poo about what there selling or meant to be offering a service for, most cannot problem solve, seen 5 of them scratching there heads and talking for 10 min on a poorly fitting counter top, didnt know how to proceed witnessed that myself, thats just one example, anything more than ordering a meal can turn into a marathon event here.

 

The point is they become very ridgid because they think they know when they dont and put you through hell cause they dont have the ability or training to think, "hey I should check I might have it wrong"