The Troubling Decline of DEI: A Step Backward for America

[Airalee]

2 hours ago, ericthai said:

People promoting DEI think they can turn the world into Disneyland, that everyone will be nice to each other. 

But if you slip up and say the wrong thing or disagree with their ideologies in the slightest way they become apoplectic and will hate you forever.  Being nice is just a mask that they wear until they have caught you out (usually with their manipulative, loaded gotcha questions) and now are firmly set in their smug self righteousness and have decided how they are going to judge you from here until eternity.

[Watawattana]

3 hours ago, ericthai said:

I assume you have not had to take any DEI classes. Nothing really to do with diversity. 
They want to change they way you speak.  You could no longer call a manager "manager" they were now to be called "People leader". 

 

Here are some more examples:

 

Addict → person with a substance abuse disorder

Addiction is a disease — but we shouldn’t equate a person’s identity with their disease. The word addict perpetuates the negative stereotyping and stigma around those who have an addiction. That’s because it acts as shorthand for those ideas. The more appropriate term, according to the Partnership to End Addiction, is now person with a substance use disorder or person struggling with an addiction.

 

Elderly → senior

Ageism is real, and using the word elderly to describe someone is one of the ways that it can manifest. The word invites the discrimination that older individuals often face, and it’s associated with things that are typically thought of in a negative light, like sickness or inability. So it’s best avoided. A better phrase would be older person or senior adult.

 

Homeless → people experiencing homelessness

Using this term to describe a group of people means defining them according to one trait they happen to share, and one that, for many, is a temporary state. It perpetuates the stigma associated with homelessness. A better option would be to say, someone who is experiencing homelessness.

 

Sex change → transition

According to GLAAD, the term sex change places an unnecessary emphasis and focus on the surgical aspect of transitioning. The decision to have surgery or not is a personal one, and someone who has transitioned should not have to reveal whether they’ve had surgery or not. The term sex change has also been used in the past to out trans people, so it’s both offensive and outdated. The preferred term for the surgery itself is sex reassignment surgery or gender affirmation surgery.

Exotic →refers to a woman

The term is often used to describe women of color. To those who have been described this way, it can foster feelings of being objectified, especially given the term’s racist colonial roots. Because the term is mostly meant to describe non-living things, it’s dehumanizing to use it to describe a person. Finally, it implies the person being described doesn’t fit a certain standard of beauty (remember non-white?), even as it objectifies them.

 

Insane → just don’t

Mental illness has long been fraught with stigma, and this term perpetuates the negative stereotypes associated with those who have mental illnesses. That’s a huge part of the problem when it comes to the treatment of mental illness itself, making it harder for people to seek help. A phrase that isn’t steeped in stigma, like person with a mental health condition, is a better option.

Man hours → person hours, engineering hours

It may be easy to overlook this term because its use is so widespread. But here are two reasons to cut this from your vocabulary: First, the term assumes that it is men who are doing the work, which excludes anyone who does not identify as a man. Second, it supports the gender binary by setting up a this-or-that classification. So it’s best to use a less exclusionary (and more descriptive!) term like person hours or work hours.

Alcoholic → person with a substance abuse disorder

As with the word addict, this word takes a person and makes them synonymous with their disease. This tethers them to all the negative ideas connected to that disease. For those who have alcoholism, this can make it harder to feel as though they’re making progress. A better option would be to say, person who has a substance abuse disorder.

 

 

People promoting DEI think they can turn the world into Disneyland, that everyone will be nice to each other.  

Merry Christmas = Happy Holidays...

 

Aiya!

[Bravoxray]

One major problem with DEI is that the tools (DEI) became the objectives, time and effort is spent on the tools, not the real  organization objectives. which became secondary or tertiary.  The next thing to get rid of is ESG which is a giant step on the road to slavery.

[Luuk Chaai]

19 hours ago, asdf1234 said:

In whose opinion is it “a step backwards”? 

that would be all those " Totally Un-Qualified " people 

[theblether]

4 hours ago, Airalee said:

I wouldn’t say it’s “revenge of the nerds”.   The nerds were the ones who were primarily pitted against the jock douchebags and they actually did something with their lives and went on to major in STEM and then became programmers, actuaries, chemists etc. They brought us personal computers, video games, scientific advancements etc and were rewarded with high paying jobs.  I wish I had their brainpower sometimes.

 

The weirdos and malcontents dyed their hair blue, got piercings and tattoos, ate themselves into obesity (even as vegetarians) while working at Whole Foods and gourmet pizza parlors while smugly looking down on the rest of society with an underlying anger, ultimately demanding that we address them using their preferred pronouns.

 

Then, those weirdos started having kids and somehow, the kids, rather than rebelling against their parents, instead emulated them becoming even worse examples of woke indoctrination.

 

That's more or less what I said. The nerds are fine, it's the malcontents that ran riot. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, theblether said:

 

That's more or less what I said. The nerds are fine, it's the malcontents that ran riot. 

IIRC Trump was elected on the votes of malcontents.

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC Trump was elected on the votes of malcontents.

indeed

[WDSmart]

14 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

If that were true there would be no issues, but theres more to it in reality.

Two guys apply to me for a job one black, one white , both identically qualified and experienced.  However there is "something" about the white guy i just don't like ,  so I give the job to the black guy ,  No problem and the white guy has no recourse to complain.

On the other hand if i just don't like the black guy and employ the white man,  the black guy has many ways to complain and I have left myself open to a whole load of problems

In the scenario above, what if the employer was Black and 90% of his workers were Black? Do you think the rejected White applicant who suspects race was a factor in his rejection would have a complaint then?

In the scenario above, any applicant should be able to ask why they were not selected. Of course, the employer would also have the right to say they chose the applicant they thought was best suited for the position without giving detailed reasons. 

 

[WDSmart]

14 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Then why did the Biden DOJ sue Sheetz (gas stations), because they did background checks on their applicants for criminal charges?  The DOJ claimed that the background checks discriminated against certain minorities who had a higher probability of a criminal record.  Ponder that one, on several levels.

 

Of course, it could be because Biden got the cold shoulder from the "crowd" at a Sheetz a few days earlier during a campaign stop.

 

I've never heard of this before, so I checked it out online. What you say is basically true. See the link below for details. 
Sheetz accused of racial discrimination in its hiring process | CNN Business

I don't agree with your suggestions about Biden.

[WDSmart]

7 hours ago, honcho said:

wrong... DEI is divisive destructive rubbish which lowers standards.. meritocracy is what counts! if a person is best for the role then they should have it even if it is a white man...

The DEI suggests that many factors are involved in deciding which applicant is "best for the role." Three of those factors DEI wants an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive. 

[asdf1234]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The DEI suggests that many factors are involved in deciding which applicant is "best for the role." Three of those factors DEI wants an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive. 

Kamala Harris was a DEI hire for vice president. Bidens decision wasnt based on alot of factors, just her skin and being a woman. The direction that the US and by proxy the rest of the west was going was truly a circus

[WDSmart]

7 minutes ago, asdf1234 said:

Kamala Harris was a DEI hire for vice president. Bidens decision wasnt based on alot of factors, just her skin and being a woman. The direction that the US and by proxy the rest of the west was going was truly a circus

I think Harris did a very good job in here role as VP under Biden. I voted for her for president, as did 48.3% of the voters. Unfortunately, 49.7% of the voters voted for Trump, and he won the votes in the Electoral College by a wide margin.

If you think the last four years have been a "circus," at least that must have been entertaining.  However, you better sit down for the next four years. They will be a complete disaster. 

[jas007]

31 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

If you think the last four years have been a "circus," at least that must have been entertaining.  However, you better sit down for the next four years. They will be a complete disaster. 

I'm sure it will be considered a "complete disaster" by those who attempted to cancel free speech in America. For those people and the Legacy media whose relevance is fading by the day. For them, the game is over.  Ditto for those who would weaponize the judicial system and the federal law enforcement agencies. And it can't come soon enough.  

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

The DEI suggests that many factors are involved in deciding which applicant is "best for the role." Three of those factors DEI wants an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive. 

Why should "...an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive."? 

 

Why should an employer not just select who he wants? 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The DEI suggests that many factors are involved in deciding which applicant is "best for the role." Three of those factors DEI wants an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive. 

I'd employ the best candidate that would work for the lowest wage, and take the least time off. Essentially straight culturally Christian males.

[WDSmart]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Why should "...an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive."? 

 

Why should an employer not just select who he wants? 

IMO, an employer should select who they want, but part of that "want" should be consideration of DEI, not just what they think is best for them or their business but also what is best for the community as a whole. 

 

[Lacessit]

48 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'd employ the best candidate that would work for the lowest wage, and take the least time off. Essentially straight culturally Christian males.

IME Japanese and Koreans are the hardest working.

 

I've known some Christians who just went through the motions of working.

 

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

 

 

[WDSmart]

50 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The DEI suggests that many factors are involved in deciding which applicant is "best for the role." Three of those factors DEI wants an employer to consider are ensuring their workplace is diverse, equitable, and inclusive. 

I'd employ the best candidate that would work for the lowest wage, and take the least time off. Essentially straight culturally Christian males.

Your approach is indeed that of an ardent capitalist (ME!). DEI is asking you to also consider the community (WE!). In its extremes, that is the difference between capitalism and socialism. In the USA, we have a mix of these. DEI is a reminder that we do have that mix, and it should be considered in your actions.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'd employ the best candidate that would work for the lowest wage, and take the least time off. Essentially straight culturally Christian males.

 

The problem with that plan is that it guarantees a high turnover of your better employees if you pay them less than they can make down the street. 

 

The slugs will stay with you forever, because that company down the street won't poach them. And some of them have become masters of doing the minimum they can get away with and not get run off.

 

 

[theblether]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC Trump was elected on the votes of malcontents.

 

That's because you genuinely believe that Trump supporters are dumb. 

 

There is zero space in your mind that they may have a point and you are wrong. 

 

We'll know within a year if you or they are correct. 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

The problem with that plan is that it guarantees a high turnover of your better employees if you pay them less than they can make down the street. 

 

The slugs will stay with you forever, because that company down the street won't poach them. And some of them have become masters of doing the minimum they can get away with and not get run off.

Nah, the people down the street only employ nonwhites, disabled people, women and rainbow people.

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

IMO, an employer should select who they want, but part of that "want" should be consideration of DEI, not just what they think is best for them or their business but also what is best for the community as a whole. 

 

Why?

[WDSmart]

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

IMO, an employer should select who they want, but part of that "want" should be consideration of DEI, not just what they think is best for them or their business but also what is best for the community as a whole. 

 

Why?

Why? Because I think what is best for the community is more important than what is best for the individual. That's the difference between socialism and capitalism - thinking about what is best for "we" rather than just "me." 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, WDSmart said:

Why? Because I think what is best for the community is more important than what is best for the individual. That's the difference between socialism and capitalism - thinking about what is best for "we" rather than just "me." 

Why is it best for the community to compel employers to hire people they do not want to hire?  

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why is it best for the community to compel employers to hire people they do not want to hire?  

I repeat that DEI does not "compel" employers to hire people they don't want. DEI only suggests that they consider their workforce's DEI when hiring, along with all the other criteria they use. DEI is unlike its predecessor, Affirmative Action, which compelled employers to comply with the threat of loss of government contracts.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I repeat that DEI does not "compel" employers to hire people they don't want. DEI only suggests that they consider their workforce's DEI when hiring, along with all the other criteria they use. DEI is unlike its predecessor, Affirmative Action, which compelled employers to comply with the threat of loss of government contracts.

What does consider DEI mean? 

[WDSmart]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What does consider DEI mean? 

"Consider DEI" means that when employers judge applicants for an open position, they should also consider the diversity, equity, and inclusion of their workforce. DEI is not the only consideration, not the highest priority consideration, nor is it a mandated consideration, but it is recommended to be one of the considerations. 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Consider DEI" means that when employers judge applicants for an open position, they should also consider the diversity, equity, and inclusion of their workforce. DEI is not the only consideration, not the highest priority consideration, nor is it a mandated consideration, but it is recommended to be one of the considerations. 

You've not made clear what it means, you've only said it again. 

 

What does "...recommended to be one of the considerations." mean?  

 

Does it mean select one tribe over another? 

[novacova]

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Consider DEI" means that when employers judge applicants for an open position, they should also consider the diversity, equity, and inclusion of their workforce. DEI is not the only consideration, not the highest priority consideration, nor is it a mandated consideration, but it is recommended to be one of the considerations. 

As opposed to the most qualified? What you just described is hiring people who are less qualified, aren’t you aware that the Equal Protection Clause is to prevent such discrimination and the contradictory hypocrisy you’re in? Maybe one day you’ll have an epiphany as Thomas Sowell did and snap out of the Marxist delusions 

[WDSmart]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

17 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Consider DEI" means that when employers judge applicants for an open position, they should also consider the diversity, equity, and inclusion of their workforce. DEI is not the only consideration, not the highest priority consideration, nor is it a mandated consideration, but it is recommended to be one of the considerations. 

You've not made clear what it means, you've only said it again. 

 

What does "...recommended to be one of the considerations." mean?  

 

Does it mean select one tribe over another? 

It means the DEI of your workforce should be included in the considerations when choosing a person to hire. Examples of other  considerations are:
- skills

- education
- experience

- salary expectations

- recommendations
- etc...