Make the UK great again #MUKGA

[PomPolo]

Sort of related to a topic @3NUMBAS started, want to see if we can get this new #MUKGA hashtag on the go 🙂
OK so I got the below on an AI but totally agree with all the points, he is polarising and has strong opinions (sound like any new elected leader we know?)

 

1. Focus on Sovereignty and National Identity

• Farage has been a strong advocate for national sovereignty and prioritizing British interests, particularly during his leadership of UKIP and the Brexit Party. As Prime Minister, he might emphasize strengthening the UK's independence in areas like trade, immigration, and lawmaking.

2. Immigration Reform

• Farage has consistently called for stricter immigration controls, citing concerns over border security and integration. He might implement policies aimed at reducing net migration and reforming the immigration system to prioritize skilled labor and national needs.

3. Reevaluation of International Agreements

• He could renegotiate international agreements and focus on ensuring that deals benefit the UK economically and politically. This might include trade agreements, defense partnerships, or regulatory alignments.

4. Direct Appeal to Populism

• Farage has a reputation for connecting with voters who feel disenfranchised by traditional political elites. His leadership could amplify the voices of certain demographics, particularly those in regions that feel left behind economically or politically.

5. Simplified Tax and Business Policies

• Farage has previously advocated for simplified tax structures and reducing bureaucracy for businesses. His leadership might aim to create a more business-friendly environment to stimulate growth and attract investment.

6. Energy and Climate Stance

• Farage has criticized certain aspects of the UK's approach to renewable energy, advocating for a more balanced and cost-effective energy policy. He might prioritize domestic energy security, such as increased investment in nuclear power or North Sea oil and gas.

7. Political Disruption

• His leadership could challenge the status quo of British politics, potentially forcing traditional parties to address issues they've sidelined or neglected. This could reinvigorate debate on topics like democratic accountability and reform.

8. Transparency and Direct Democracy

• Farage has been a proponent of referendums and direct democracy. He might introduce more mechanisms for public decision-making on critical issues, increasing voter engagement in the political process.

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Farage is a grifter. He's a privately schooled stockbroker, hates the NHS, and is backed by the same establishment he purports to dismantle (sound like anyone we know?)

 

People are attracted to him because he promises a new way etc. etc, and the general disappointment in world politics and life etc, which, ironically, is caused, in part, by the same kind of people backing Farage (the very rich).

 

Always goes full circle back to him being nothing but a grifter. He'd be a disaster. The UK isn't the US.

 

The acronym MUKGA sounds about right, but more for its onomatopoeia, i.e. throwing up at the thought of Farage. 

 

 

[Prubangboy]

But you won't be lucky enough to get the bleach drinking advocate himself. 

 

It will be like in Colonial India where you get stuck with some viceroy. I can see Charles anointing one with a sword:

 

"Arise, Sir Don Jr."

[PomPolo]

Hahaha I am actually tongue-tied 🙂
I am not going to Google or AI anything with this.

Apart from mention the populist theme that he appeals to those that feel disenfranchised with current and previous governments.

Private school cool - I went to one of those, stockbroker could be forgiven for.  At least he is not an Oxford or Cambridge educated Muppet that think they rule the world!

How much does a prime-minister that is called 'Sir' appeal to your average citizen that is wondering if they will have a job next week as some immigrant who is cheaper will take it from them?

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

But you won't be lucky enough to get the bleach drinking advocate himself. 

 

It will be like in Colonial India where you get stuck with some viceroy. I can see Charles anointing one with a sword:

 

"Arise, Sir Don Jr."

Another victim of msm hoaxes. Bleach drinking advocate? Msm has much to answer for ginning up so much irrational hatred.

[proton]

Reform want to replace pensions with universal credit which is means tested, have savings and pension will be reduced or even cancelled. No mention of tripple lock or ending frozen pensions.

[BangkokReady]

Unfortunately, the UK is not the US.  Things aren't that simple.  It would be nice if we could say that Starmer is our Biden and Farage is our Trump, and he's going to save us from wokeism, immigration and inflation, but that really isn't the case.

 

We really need a third choice.  That's where our Trump would come from.

[BangkokReady]

14 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I can see Charles anointing one with a sword

 

"smear or rub with oil, typically as part of a religious ceremony"???

[BangkokReady]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Another victim of msm hoaxes. Bleach drinking advocate? Msm has much to answer for ginning up so much irrational hatred.

 

They know it isn't true, they just don't care.

[jas007]

Somehow, Brexit happened.  

 

I wonder if there's anything about the UK political system that might work against populism gaining traction more so than in the USA, where Trump has decisively disrupted the political structure?

[cjinchiangrai]

Invade France.

[PomPolo]

5 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Invade France.

Hahahahahaha I stopped typing what I was going to type about it would be nothing new - I will shut up now

[PomPolo]

54 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Somehow, Brexit happened.  

 

I wonder if there's anything about the UK political system that might work against populism gaining traction more so than in the USA, where Trump has decisively disrupted the political structure?

There is no doubt Brexit messed things up for me personally with exchange rates etc not being resident in the UK for nearly 2 decades, however the idea of Brexit was sound, it's like going to the Gym, if there is no pain then there is no gain.  Longer term I can't see any future leader in the Labour or Conservative party that could get the country back on track.
I may sound right wing in some of my statements but I am far from that, the reform party on all my research is by far the best option to the 2 standard parties all UK people have been ingrained in their life to vote for.  It's time for change and fix the major issues with the country and start taking care of the UK rather than trans, immigrant, criminal, wars in other countries we pay for etc etc etc

What is the saying charity begins at home 'Sir' idiot doesn't seem to think that, Boris sort of got it but was held back I think, definitely time for change, then I'll go to the UK for a holiday via France on a Dinghy.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

They know it isn't true, they just don't care.

Trump is so awful they need to invent stories to attack him with. If the guy was so bad, they could just truthfully state his dastardly deeds. But no. Just hoax after hoax after hoax.

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1 hour ago, PomPolo said:

Hahaha I am actually tongue-tied 🙂
I am not going to Google or AI anything with this.

Apart from mention the populist theme that he appeals to those that feel disenfranchised with current and previous governments.

Private school cool - I went to one of those, stockbroker could be forgiven for.  At least he is not an Oxford or Cambridge educated Muppet that think they rule the world!

How much does a prime-minister that is called 'Sir' appeal to your average citizen that is wondering if they will have a job next week as some immigrant who is cheaper will take it from them?

Won't be immigrants taking jobs, it'll be AI.

Who do you think is funding the development of AI, and who do you think will benefit the most? The same people bankrolling Farage.

 

The people cheerleading this new aristocracy or oligarchy the most, are the ones with the most to lose. The poorer of thoughts, of ideas, of riches, of progress. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

There is no doubt Brexit messed things up for me personally with exchange rates etc not being resident in the UK for nearly 2 decades, however the idea of Brexit was sound, it's like going to the Gym, if there is no pain then there is no gain.  Longer term I can't see any future leader in the Labour or Conservative party that could get the country back on track.
I may sound right wing in some of my statements but I am far from that, the reform party on all my research is by far the best option to the 2 standard parties all UK people have been ingrained in their life to vote for.  It's time for change and fix the major issues with the country and start taking care of the UK rather than trans, immigrant, criminal, wars in other countries we pay for etc etc etc

What is the saying charity begins at home 'Sir' idiot doesn't seem to think that, Boris sort of got it but was held back I think, definitely time for change, then I'll go to the UK for a holiday via France on a Dinghy.

Reform is a mix of the worst of all parties (look at the candidates).

Just slogans, rich oligarch backing, jingoistic, outdated ideas, and promises the real world out there cannot afford to implement. 

 

 

[spot]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Somehow, Brexit happened.  

 

I wonder if there's anything about the UK political system that might work against populism gaining traction more so than in the USA, where Trump has decisively disrupted the political structure?

Maybe the UK people are now (post Brexit) more politically intelligent?

 

The UK is not the US, which can almost operate as 50 different countries under one referee. The UK is smaller, and the people behave as if in one country, not 50.

[PomPolo]

2 minutes ago, spot said:

Won't be immigrants taking jobs, it'll be AI.

Who do you think is funding the development of AI, and who do you think will benefit the most? The same people bankrolling Farage.

 

The people cheerleading this new aristocracy or oligarchy the most, are the ones with the most to lose. The poorer of thoughts, of ideas, of riches, of progress. 

 

 

That's a fair point given the amount of funding Trump has indicated he is going to put into AI.

The Farage and Musk spat is also a fair point.
I have worked in computers at a high level all my life and never really give a sh....t about politics but when you have a newly elected president, Elon Musk walking around like a lost child at a wedding during the inauguration and Donald Trump talking about Mars in his Inauguration speech and at his first press conference valuing TikTok at 1 billion dollars that the American government should be entitled to half of concerns me where business meets politics.

However the policies he has indicated he will enact with many of his executive orders that everyone knew he was going to sign when he sat in that chair sound reasonable to me.

No respect for Joe Biden whatsoever, Donald Trump could have pardoned himself from everything when he left office last time but he didn't that will be Bidens legacy.

[PomPolo]

I had to AI this on ChatGPT so not all my own work 🙂 but sort of the answer I expected, in any history that any of us will remember Biden has issued more pardons than all previous presidents combined.  If I was from the US 100% I would have voted for Trump, and if I go back to the UK for a holiday I will vote for Nigel Farage.

 

Important to note for Biden "marking the largest single-day act of clemency in U.S. history"
 

Including modern times who are the presidents who have issued the most pardons when they have left office?

 

In modern times, several U.S. presidents have issued significant numbers of pardons and commutations, particularly during their final days in office:

• Joe Biden: In December 2024, President Biden granted clemency to approximately 1,500 nonviolent offenders, marking the largest single-day act of clemency in U.S. history. He also commuted the sentences of nearly 2,500 individuals convicted of nonviolent drug offenses, setting a record for the highest number of individual pardons and commutations by any president.

  AP News

   

• Donald Trump: On his final full day in office in January 2021, President Trump issued 116 pardons and commutations. Upon returning to office in January 2025, he pardoned approximately 1,500 individuals involved in the January 6 Capitol attack.

  Pew Research Center
  Texas Standard

   

• Bill Clinton: On his last day in office in January 2001, President Clinton granted 177 pardons and commutations, a move that attracted considerable controversy.

  Pew Research Center

   

• George H.W. Bush: In December 1992, shortly before leaving office, President Bush pardoned six individuals involved in the Iran-Contra affair, including former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.

  Wikipedia

   

These actions highlight the significant use of presidential clemency powers, particularly in the closing days of administrations.

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11 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

I had to AI this on ChatGPT so not all my own work 🙂 but sort of the answer I expected, in any history that any of us will remember Biden has issued more pardons than all previous presidents combined.  If I was from the US 100% I would have voted for Trump, and if I go back to the UK for a holiday I will vote for Nigel Farage.

 

Important to note for Biden "marking the largest single-day act of clemency in U.S. history"
 

Including modern times who are the presidents who have issued the most pardons when they have left office?

 

In modern times, several U.S. presidents have issued significant numbers of pardons and commutations, particularly during their final days in office:

• Joe Biden: In December 2024, President Biden granted clemency to approximately 1,500 nonviolent offenders, marking the largest single-day act of clemency in U.S. history. He also commuted the sentences of nearly 2,500 individuals convicted of nonviolent drug offenses, setting a record for the highest number of individual pardons and commutations by any president.

  AP News

   

• Donald Trump: On his final full day in office in January 2021, President Trump issued 116 pardons and commutations. Upon returning to office in January 2025, he pardoned approximately 1,500 individuals involved in the January 6 Capitol attack.

  Pew Research Center
  Texas Standard

   

• Bill Clinton: On his last day in office in January 2001, President Clinton granted 177 pardons and commutations, a move that attracted considerable controversy.

  Pew Research Center

   

• George H.W. Bush: In December 1992, shortly before leaving office, President Bush pardoned six individuals involved in the Iran-Contra affair, including former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.

  Wikipedia

   

These actions highlight the significant use of presidential clemency powers, particularly in the closing days of administrations.

Difference being that, unless the clear TV images, images taken by the rioters, and police/guard deaths and injuries are all wrong; the Trump pardons are mainly for violent crimes, and arguably treasonable under the constitution.

 

A lot of the executive decisions will be overturned or, at the minimum, delayed and challenged in the courts. Just show for the bumkins. 

[PomPolo]

3 minutes ago, spot said:

Difference being that, unless the clear TV images, images taken by the rioters, and police/guard deaths and injuries are all wrong; the Trump pardons are mainly for violent crimes, and arguably treasonable under the constitution.

 

A lot of the executive decisions will be overturned or, at the minimum, delayed and challenged in the courts. Just show for the bumkins. 

J6 stuff freedom of speech the police got in the way of that - I am definitely playing devils advocate now 🙂
The UK has had its share of riots also, if citizens feel hard done by they are going to do something about it, justifiably so in most cases as long as it doesn't deteriorate into murder with J6 it never the police should just let the citizens have the say isn't hat part of the First Amendment? The UK 2011 riots didn't didn't result in any murder or even manslaughter charges, there might have been a few breaches of the peace 🙂

[PomPolo]

3 hours ago, spot said:

The acronym MUKGA sounds about right, but more for its onomatopoeia, i.e. throwing up at the thought of Farage. 

Unfortunately we can't fight inevitability or the future, I suspect I am not the only one who will vote for him if I was actually in the UK looking at the current polling situation.

That Starmer guy I can't really relate to, knighted, a former director of public prosecutions in the UK - I think he would have been better off staying with that rather than diversify into politics.

[PomPolo]

19 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Unfortunately we can't fight inevitability or the future, I suspect I am not the only one who will vote for him if I was actually in the UK looking at the current polling situation.

That Starmer guy I can't really relate to, knighted, a former director of public prosecutions in the UK - I think he would have been better off staying with that rather than diversify into politics.

I nearly edited myself there I should have said "A former director of Public Persecutions"
As for his Chancellor and the rest of the cabinet I don't even think I need to explain eventually people living in the UK will put it together for themselves.

There was a brilliant post my another AN member the other day on a different Topic.

"The problem with being a socialist you will eventually run out of everybody else's money"
I am not sure Ms. (even though she is married) Reeves has got that memo in Downing street just yet.

[PomPolo]

"A former dictator of the public persecution system in the UK"
@ mods please don't delete this my last post and laughing at myself will be back to annoy everyone tomorrow 🙂

[PomPolo]

5 hours ago, spot said:

Farage is a grifter. He's a privately schooled stockbroker, hates the NHS, and is backed by the same establishment he purports to dismantle (sound like anyone we know?)

 

People are attracted to him because he promises a new way etc. etc, and the general disappointment in world politics and life etc, which, ironically, is caused, in part, by the same kind of people backing Farage (the very rich).

 

Always goes full circle back to him being nothing but a grifter. He'd be a disaster. The UK isn't the US.

 

The acronym MUKGA sounds about right, but more for its onomatopoeia, i.e. throwing up at the thought of Farage. 

 

 

Definitely get you on that one spot, but can you think of a current politician (not sure if you live TH or UK) to take the UK through another 4 years? The last 8 have been turmoil with some ridiculous excuses for primeministers. I don't even live there so theoretically I should not give a sstt, but we will always love our home county despite how the politicians rip it apart, BJ was one of the best bets, and not just because his initials align with my nighttime activities 🙂

[BangkokReady]

8 hours ago, jas007 said:

Somehow, Brexit happened.  

 

I wonder if there's anything about the UK political system that might work against populism gaining traction more so than in the USA, where Trump has decisively disrupted the political structure?

 

Lack of free speech?  An enormous sense of White guilt due to our past successes?  The fact that once triggered most British people completely distance themselves from anything anti-immigrant due to a fear of being called racist?  A total hatred for the working class?  Diversity is our strength?

 

It's not looking good.

[JimHuaHin]

The sun set on the British empire decades ago, and it is never going to return.

[riclag]

14 hours ago, jas007 said:

Somehow, Brexit happened.  

 

I wonder if there's anything about the UK political system that might work against populism gaining traction more so than in the USA, where Trump has decisively disrupted the political structure?

The Brits , especially  the political parties better adhere to what’s taking place around the world , or they could

be last in the queue!

Make the UK great again is a force .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/22/reform-uk-can-make-britain-great-again-trump-republicans/

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7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Lack of free speech?  An enormous sense of White guilt due to our past successes?  The fact that once triggered most British people completely distance themselves from anything anti-immigrant due to a fear of being called racist?  A total hatred for the working class?  Diversity is our strength?

 

It's not looking good.

There is free speech, to a point, but it works both ways.

 

No such thing as 'white guilt'. What's happened is that by teaching real history, and not none that excludes the truth about what white Europeans have done over the last few hundred years, and how 'success was achieved,  some people have taken that as explicit criticism of white people in general - which it isn't. 

 

Any anthropologist will tell you that humans have always thrived on diversity.

 

The far right IS racist, that's their working hypothesis, also see anthropology and how white supremacy is not good for humanity etc.

 

 

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2 hours ago, riclag said:

The Brits , especially  the political parties better adhere to what’s taking place around the world , or they could

be last in the queue!

Make the UK great again is a force .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/22/reform-uk-can-make-britain-great-again-trump-republicans/

The problem with 'make it great again' slogans is that no one is sure when it (the UK) was ever great. If it's the empire period, then who felt it was great, the privileged classes or the fighting/ working classes. 

 

Another problem with using words like 'again' - as a backward move, is that humans are evolving, and although I think sometimes technological progress is going to fast for our reptilian brains, we, as a species, are designed to move and evolve forward, not backwards. Otherwise, we die out (which we probably will anyway as most human problems are self inflicted).

 

Btw, the Telegraph is not a great source to be quoting for anywhere near balance on a subject.