Looking forward do U.S. expats face the risk of retaliation by nations burned by Trump?

[Hawaiian]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Typical ugly imperialist Yanqui BS.

Panama's economy is doing very well.

Panama City is a great expat destination often compared to Miami but housing there is too expensive for the lower budget seeking expat crowd.

I guess that is why you are not closer to home.

[Yellowtail]

Great fishing...

[chippendale]

The Ugly American predates Donald Trump by many decades. Boorish, loud, overbearing and sanctimonious abroad.

 

Trump Derangement Syndrome will send some people over the edge, however, and allowing a billionaire like him to live rent free in your head doesn't make sense.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Danes, for one, probably aren't going to be too happy, though I suspect they would only take it out on 47. Maybe send a hit squad.

 

Maybe Panamanians are also going to get a little miffed. They can be much nastier than Danes.

 

If the guy keeps it up, I do think it's likely some nations will start taking it out on American expats. Personally, I would like Thailand to set a much more reasonable target for funds in the banks. Anybody can post 800K baht. Better, in the interest of only allowing "quality" residents, that Thailand up the amount to say, 10-25,000,000 baht for retirees, marriage visas, etc. Get rid of the riff raff. Some countries require as much as $1 million, which would be quite reasonable and certainly allow only "quality" residents.

 

I think MAGAs are probably itching to go home anyway, seeing that they think America is going to be "great" again, whatever that means in MAGAstan.

 

Why do you think personal wealth equates to a "quality" person?

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I guess that is why you are not closer to home.

 

11 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I guess that is why you are not closer tco home.

No.

There are very low cost options in Latin America such as Colombia outside the biggest cities, Nicaragua  etc.

Panama is high on my own B list options to Thailand.  It's certainly more tax friendly than Thailand now.

 

 

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Typical ugly imperialist Yanqui BS.

On par with saying slaves were actually happy.

Panama's economy is doing very well.

Panama City is a great expat destination often compared to Miami but housing there is too expensive for the lower budget seeking expat crowd.

You can't equate the Noreiga era to now.and that was well before Panama became super popular with expats.

 

Did you not read what I wrote?  I'm not the expert. I don't pretend to be.  Sure, Panama City looks like it is doing great.  But how are the Panamanian people doing?  That's what I don't know.  I have no idea. Many of those big buildings in Panama are filled with expats from all over. The condos are not super expensive, but they're not cheap. Most are probably out of reach of the typical Panamanian.  I looked into it one time.  I may still end up there some day.  It's easy to get a retirement visa there.  Hire an agent, fill out some paperwork, show your income, and you're all set.  They use the US Dollar.  The infrastructure is good.  It's probably an OK place. 

[spidermike007]

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He's only been back in office for a few days, and the madness has already started.

Not talking about specific cases yet, but in nations hurt by punitive Trump trade war tariffs or barbaric treatment of their nationals by U.S. immigration, do you think things may get ugly in certain countries for U.S. expats?

 

For example say he hits a country with 50 or 100 percent tariffs and the local economy crashes because of it. The people will know the pain comes from America. Wouldn't it be natural in such cases for the people or even governments to take out their anger on the Americans they see, the ones that live there? Even if ironically, those Americans may be very anti-Trump.

I don't know if anything's ever going to materialize, even with China he's already bowed down to Xi, using his mouthpiece Rubio and not only are they surrendering Taiwan but Trump is already talking about surrendering his position on tariffs.

 

He's pretty easy to convince and out negotiate. Two or three compliments is all it takes generally. 

 

Trump could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag if his life depended on it. 

[Jingthing]

Panamanians do not welcome an American invasion!

The Panama Canal belongs to Panama!

Period end of story.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Panamanians do not welcome an American invassiom!

Period end of story.

You don't know that. 

 

Period end of story.

 

invassiom? It that a new woke term for a Trump invasion? 

[Yellowtail]

It's not hard for me to believe plenty of Panamanians would welcome being like Puerto Rico.  

[Hawaiian]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

No.

There are very low cost options in Latin America such as Colombia outside the biggest cities, Nicaragua  etc.

Panama is high on my own B list options to Thailand.  It's certainly more tax friendly than Thailand now.

 

 

What are you waiting for?

[Jingthing]

Taking this closer to home suppose Trump put 50 percent tariffs on Thailand seriously damaging the Thai economy.

Would Thai people become hostile to Americans here?

Would the government take any action other than tradng even more with Russia and China. 

I really don't know

But I would expect some tit for tat.

For example if bank accounts of Thais in the US were frozen why wouldn't Thailand not do the same to expat Americans?

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

What are you waiting for?

I prefer to stay in Thailand. 

Duh.

[SunnyinBangrak]

27 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't know if anything's ever going to materialize, even with China he's already bowed down to Xi, using his mouthpiece Rubio and not only are they surrendering Taiwan but Trump is already talking about surrendering his position on tariffs.

 

He's pretty easy to convince and out negotiate. Two or three compliments is all it takes generally. 

 

Trump could not negotiate his way out of a paper bag if his life depended on it. 

Negotiating 4 years of world peace wasn't easy. Your men Biden and Obama couldn't do it btw.

 

"What I think is happening in this is President Trump, who is a very skilful negotiator, is getting people to be somewhat distracted by that conversation,” Trudeau told CNN when asked about Trump’s remarks."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/09/trudeau-trump-threatened-to-annex-canada-to-distract-from-tariffs-impact

 

Trudeau truth bombing the liberal narrative. I suppose he is MAGA now as well?

[jas007]

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's not hard for me to believe plenty of Panamanians would welcome being like Puerto Rico.  

Puerto Rico.That's interesting.  On the face of it, Puerto Rico would seem to be a good choice for US expat retirement.  It's close, it has favorable tax laws, and it probably doesn't have to be expensive.  It's in the Caribbean.  

 

And yet I've known several people who were born and raised there.  They all told me the same thing: stay far away. As an American, you'd be a target.  Everyone would be trying to rip you off. Even they are a target when they go back.  A Puerto Rican, working in Miami, speaks fluent Spanish.  And they try to rip him off. If he's a target, what chance do I have?  It all sounds crazy to me, but they're probably right. 

 

 

[alex8912]

7 hours ago, frank83628 said:

were you posting about this 'madness' when obama deported over 3 million? 

Obama and other Presidents ALL returned illegals in handcuffs as well. You think you would EVER know this by this OP or MSN?!  Of course not.  You know there are hard working Americans on these flights that are certainly out numbered by the 80++ illegals on the flights. If raids on known illegals and handcuffing them on flights to their home country is barbaric then of course the level of drama on this thread needs to be studied as well.....

[jvs]

Some hardliners on here still believe in the almighty USA.

When i was younger i was also very impressed with them.

So tell me,the US can be self sufficient?Don't make me laugh!

They are not!never have been never will be and that goes for most countries.

I have said it before,just because some one is the strongest does not mean they are right!

Bullying your way around the world by blaming others for your problems will never work!

What is happening now is similar to what happened just before the second world war.

If you can not see this then you are more then stupid!

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Puerto Rico.That's interesting.  On the face of it, Puerto Rico would seem to be a good choice for US expat retirement.  It's close, it has favorable tax laws, and it probably doesn't have to be expensive.  It's in the Caribbean.  

 

And yet I've known several people who were born and raised there.  They all told me the same thing: stay far away. As an American, you'd be a target.  Everyone would be trying to rip you off. Even they are a target when they go back.  A Puerto Rican, working in Miami, speaks fluent Spanish.  And they try to rip him off. If he's a target, what chance do I have?  It all sounds crazy to me, but they're probably right. 

 

 

Puérto Ricans are Americans.

It is not a desirable place for retirement but does have some benefits for big business entreprenuers.

Americans moving there are not expats.

Not to my taste but the Dominicsn republic is popular.

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Obama and other Presidents ALL returned illegals in handcuffs as well. You think you would EVER know this by this OP or MSN?!  Of course not.  You know there are hard working Americans on these flights that are certainly out numbered by the 80++ illegals on the flights. If raids on known illegals and handcuffing them on flights to their home country is barbaric then of course the level of drama on this thread needs to be studied as well.....

Reminds me of AOC posing in mock anguish in front of the cages Obama built to detain illegals, and falsely blaming Trump. Ah the memories of the most toxic misinformation administration EVER😅

[Yellowtail]

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Taking this closer to home suppose Trump put 50 percent tariffs on Thailand seriously damaging the Thai economy.

Would Thai people become hostile to Americans here?

Would the government take any action other than tradng even more with Russia and China. 

I really don't know

But I would expect some tit for tat.

For example if bank accounts of Thais in the US were frozen why wouldn't Thailand not do the same to expat Americans?

If Thailand refused to allow Thais in the US illegally to be repatriated to Thailand, I would support 50% tariffs and if my accounts end up frozen until Thailand cooperated, then so be it. 

 

But why do you always have to resort to making stuff up, do you work for the DNC?  

[alex8912]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

"If Trump invades Panama as threatened to reclam the canal..."

 

Can you provide an in-context quote of Trump threatening to invade Panama? I thought not. 

 

It is amusing that you would take Trump to task for a wrong word error (Columbia vs Colombia) when you can spell reclaim.  

He will tell you the Panamanians are adding clams to the canal for more clam production. Could never possibly be wrong on these issues. 

[KhunLA]

14 minutes ago, jvs said:

Some hardliners on here still believe in the almighty USA.

When i was younger i was also very impressed with them.

So tell me,the US can be self sufficient?Don't make me laugh!

They are not!never have been never will be and that goes for most countries.

I have said it before,just because some one is the strongest does not mean they are right!

Bullying your way around the world by blaming others for your problems will never work!

What is happening now is similar to what happened just before the second world war.

If you can not see this then you are more then stupid!

Yes, they are self sufficient.  Raise, grow, produce enough food for the whole country, and have more than enough oil & gas, even coal for energy.   That's self sufficient.

 

 

This one is a bit contradictory, and surely USA could drill & pump more oil if needed ... 

 

 

Most countries can't feed themselves, or produce enough energy without imports.  Thailand is another of the very few countries that can feed itself, and probably energize itself, if it really had to.

 

And another reason why I chose to live here, JIC it ever hits the fan 

 

 

I think 33% is being very generous ...

 

 

[Hawaiian]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I prefer to stay in Thailand. 

Duh.

Even if they freeze your account?

[Hawaiian]

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I prefer to stay in Thailand. 

Duh.

Even if they freeze your account?

[jimmybcool]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

First of all, flippin' learn how to spell COLOMBIA.

Even the official white house communications spelled it wrong which is kind of a hint at the level of idiots working there under Trump.

I am no fan of Petro from the left or Trump for outer space.

Petro had a right to be offended by the use of military planes (unnecessary fascism theater) which is a big change and also the reports of inhumane treatment of the deportees were valid points of diplomatic discussion.

You're right Petro overplayed his hand as he can't afford to have his economy ruined.

So agreed Trump won this hand.

But the world is watching Trump acted the ugly Yanqui bully when just talking first without threats would have gotten the same result, so Trump degrades the American brand internationally.

Trump in no way represents sanity.

Humiliating Colombia, a proud nation, when it wasn't even necessary in the first place, is going to plant poison anti-American seeds there and all over Latin America.

How will they react? They'll pivot even more to China.

 

Dude, get a grip.  Misspelling isn't an important issue when sharing opinions. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

Even if they freeze your account?

That's the point of having alternatives in mind in case things turn badly where you are. Duh.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Why do you think personal wealth equates to a "quality" person?

Don't expect a reply.  I posed the same question to him, giving some examples of what could go wrong.  No reply.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Don't expect a reply.  I posed the same question to him, giving some examples of what could go wrong.  No reply.

He's a pontificator, not a debater. He would no sooner try to support his claims than he would clean his own toilet. 

[jvs]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yes, they are self sufficient.  Raise, grow, produce enough food for the whole country, and have more than enough oil & gas, even coal for energy.   That's self sufficient.

 

 

This one is a bit contradictory, and surely USA could drill & pump more oil if needed ... 

 

 

Most countries can't feed themselves, or produce enough energy without imports.  Thailand is another of the very few countries that can feed itself, and probably energize itself, if it really had to.

 

And another reason why I chose to live here, JIC it ever hits the fan 

 

 

I think 33% is being very generous ...

 

 

Really?

Having enough stuff is all you care about?

Ever since the beginning the USA has depended on immigration!

Anyone claiming to be a real American is a Native!

The US has always be depended on knowledge and tradesman.

Even now they still need to import qualified tradesman from all over the world,don't believe me?

Ask Musk,he will be the first to agree.

Do you know how many % of US citizens are considered illiterate ?

Just thinking you are almighty just does not make it so.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Really?

Having enough stuff is all you care about?

Ever since the beginning the USA has depended on immigration!

Anyone claiming to be a real American is a Native!

The US has always be depended on knowledge and tradesman.

Even now they still need to import qualified tradesman from all over the world,don't believe me?

Ask Musk,he will be the first to agree.

Do you know how many % of US citizens are considered illiterate ?

Just thinking you are almighty just does not make it so.

I give up, what percentage of Americans are considered illiterate? 

 

What is Musk importing tradesmen to do? 

 

Maybe if the left did not run virtually all aspects of education in the US, the results would be better.