My Thai Tax Office Tax Filing Experience...

[Mutt Daeng]

11 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

You are correct and my local Revenue office  again today 5th March  stated no need to file
BTW    My personal allowances  are  60K 
             OAE over 65                             190K
             First pension                             100K
              First  Inc tax                              150 K
              If you have
               a spouse over 65                      60K

               Total                                          560K       
My allowance is 500K  as my wife who does not work is not over 65 years old

BTW  even seeing old forms there are several allowances not listed.

If your wife is a dependent with no income, you can claim 60k baht personal allowance for her. She doesn't need to be over 65 years old.

Will you be going back to the tax office tomorrow?

[jwest10]

40 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

  So you'll be going back tomorrow (again), I presume?  

I will try not to and they think  oh you again LOL

[jwest10]

Just now, jwest10 said:

I will try not to and they think  oh you again LOL

 

[treetops]

On 3/4/2025 at 12:50 PM, LOG54 said:

Hello

I went to RD as I knew I had no tax to pay but to enquire wether I could get a tax clearance certificate or whatever document confirming I was "clear" with the Thai tax system..

I asked a question..you re welcome to answer it if you wish..or not.

Then, you don't want to respect the Thai law.. your problem.

Others may prefer to act according to the rules.. my choice

And for your info even if you entered 10.000 bahts, they give you a Tin in Jomtien RD and give you a document saying you submitted your documents and you don't have to pay any tax.

Not filing may leed to fines + interests on unpaid taxes.

Have a nice evening

 

Pity the fool is the expression that springs to mind upon reading this.

 

You've been persuaded by crazy threads like here on Aseannow that there was a requirement to file tax info and further persuaded that failing to do so will affect your status with immigration.  Please don't respond to any threads offering to sell you a bridge.

[NoDisplayName]

On 3/4/2025 at 7:50 PM, LOG54 said:

And for your info even if you entered 10.000 bahts, they give you a Tin in Jomtien RD and give you a document saying you submitted your documents and you don't have to pay any tax.

 

Are you saying you filed a return, didn't owe tax, and got an official receipt from TRD showing zero tax due?

 

That's normal.

 

If you are saying you only remitted (entered) 10.000 baht, so wasn't required to file, but was given a TIN anyway, and they also gave you some document to show you don't owe tax or don't have to file, that would be breaking news.

 

Would you mind uploading a photo of the document showing you don't have to file (with personal info deleted, of course)?

[LOG54]

Hello

Same information given yesterday on another forum. Report from visit in Naklua RD office.. He got a Tin, employee filled with him a form 91, then gave him a document confirming 0 tax was due.

She then gave him the tin number and other document acknowledging he had filed a return and said he had to present it to immigration for his next extension of stay.. 

As the guy told her the procedure was not according to the board on the door (same board as in Jomtien RD) she said all foreigners had to file a tax return and immigration will ask for this paper and added that people coming after 31st march will have to pay 2000 bahts fine to get it...

Have a good day

[Yumthai]

13 minutes ago, LOG54 said:

As the guy told her the procedure was not according to the board on the door (same board as in Jomtien RD) she said all foreigners had to file a tax return and immigration will ask for this paper and added that people coming after 31st march will have to pay 2000 bahts fine to get it...

We can't wait to see that happening.

[topt]

4 hours ago, LOG54 said:

Hello

Same information given yesterday on another forum. Report from visit in Naklua RD office.. He got a Tin, employee filled with him a form 91, then gave him a document confirming 0 tax was due.

She then gave him the tin number and other document acknowledging he had filed a return and said he had to present it to immigration for his next extension of stay.. 

As the guy told her the procedure was not according to the board on the door (same board as in Jomtien RD) she said all foreigners had to file a tax return and immigration will ask for this paper and added that people coming after 31st march will have to pay 2000 bahts fine to get it...

Have a good day

Does he have a work permit?

 

Anyway I renewed my extension of stay this week at Jomtien Immigration - along with unfortunately loads of others. No mention of any "tax " filings.....

[LOG54]

Hello

No..  He is retired, with Thai wife.

Have a good evening 

[topt]

1 hour ago, LOG54 said:

Hello

No..  He is retired, with Thai wife.

Have a good evening 

I am thanks 

You want to say which forum - without actually spelling it out as it were as that won't be appreciated.....

[LOG54]

This one is on a french forum.. If allowed I could copy paste here.. otherwise private message.

On the site of Pattaya city expats there are some testimonies also if you look in "revenue offices" section

Have a nice evening 

[NoDisplayName]

9 hours ago, LOG54 said:

she said all foreigners had to file a tax return and immigration will ask for this paper and added that people coming after 31st march will have to pay 2000 bahts fine to get it...

 

And yet the fee for late filing is only 200 baht.

[LOG54]

6 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

And yet the fee for late filing is only 200 baht.

Hello

Following your post I searched and this is what I found. It seems that she gave the maximum fine amount..

 

   Fines and surcharges are one form of punishment related to taxes and duties, and there could be additional criminal penalties depending on the severity of the offense. For instance, if an individual files their taxes on time but fails to pay the full amount, or submits their tax forms late, neglects to submit, or evades tax form submission, they will have to pay additional charges and fines as per the law. If they refuse to pay, they may face criminal charges. The penalties can be categorized as follows:

1. If taxes are not paid within the specified period, an additional 1.5% surcharge per month (a fraction of a month is counted as one month) of the tax due will be imposed from the day following the deadline for filing until the tax is paid.
2. If tax officials issue a summons and it is found that no tax form has been submitted or the tax paid is less than due, in addition to the surcharge, the individual will also be liable to pay a fine of either equal to or double the amount of tax due, depending on the case. The fine may be reduced or waived as per the director's regulations, with the Minister's approval.
3. If the tax forms (Form Por Ngor Dor 90, 91, or 94) are not submitted within the due date, a maximum fine of 2,000 Baht may be imposed.
4. If someone intentionally provides false information, presents false evidence, or commits fraud to evade or attempt to evade taxes, they may face imprisonment ranging from 3 months to 7 years and a fine ranging from 2,000 Baht to 200,000 Baht.
5. If there is a deliberate intention to not file tax forms in order to evade taxes, the individual may face a fine of up to 200,000 Baht, imprisonment of up to 1 year, or both.

[aldriglikvid]

Anyone that has recently filed, where you forced to attach bank statements showing incoming international transfers - or was it purely self assessment? 

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, aldriglikvid said:

Anyone that has recently filed, where you forced to attach bank statements showing incoming international transfers - or was it purely self assessment? 

 

I filed online in January, already received my refund.  It's the same process as for the three late filings I did online last year (one 200-baht late filing fee), and a couple I did before the covids.

 

For interest/dividend withholding tax refund, upload the bank/dividend withholding statement.

 

For remittances, it's still self-determination.  If NON-assessable, then not declared.  Not included in PIT.  No statements needed.

 

If assessable,........................I haven't remitted any, but can't say. 

[aldriglikvid]

5 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

I filed online in January, already received my refund.  It's the same process as for the three late filings I did online last year (one 200-baht late filing fee), and a couple I did before the covids.

 

For interest/dividend withholding tax refund, upload the bank/dividend withholding statement.

 

For remittances, it's still self-determination.  If NON-assessable, then not declared.  Not included in PIT.  No statements needed.

 

If assessable,........................I haven't remitted any, but can't say. 

Bless! And in regards to be able to file online, I first need to apply for a TIN at my local RD office (and have a local ID, as well?).?

[NoDisplayName]

6 hours ago, LOG54 said:

If the tax forms (Form Por Ngor Dor 90, 91, or 94) are not submitted within the due date, a maximum fine of 2,000 Baht may be imposed.

 

I'm fairly certain this is a fine charged when tax is due but unpaid.

 

For late filing, there is a late filing (processing?) fee of 200 baht.  This is only charged once per year.

 

I filed 2021, 2022 and 2023 last year, all filed late in July.  Online filings.  I was charged a 200-baht late fee for 2023, paid by bank transfer in the system.  I was NOT charged late fees for 2021 or 2022.  Received refunds for all three years.

 

Is there a difference between fines and fees?  I would say yes, and I would expect someone filing late and owing tax would be charged the 200-baht processing fee AND the 1.5% interest surcharge AND the maximum 2000-baht penalty fine.

 

We'll have to wait and see if anyone reports any application of surcharges or fines.

 

As to the requirement for tax paperwork for immigration, there have been no reports of such, and statements by immigration that they have no intention of that.

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, aldriglikvid said:

Bless! And in regards to be able to file online, I first need to apply for a TIN at my local RD office (and have a local ID, as well?).?

 

Obviously you need a TIN in order to file a return.  If you have a pink ID, that number is your TIN, but the tax office must first activate it for use with the online system.

[LOG54]

Hello

One testimony today in Hang Dong 15kms from Chiang Mai.

This pensioner went with a report from his french bank showing he had in December 2023 on his bank account more than the amount he entered into Thailand + a Thai translation of the text saying that money already earned before 1/1/2024 would not be charged.

The employee sat, filled a 91 form.. reached at 289892 after deductions and charged 6994,60 bahts.

As he explained again he did not owe that, she said she only takes into account the full amount entered in Thailand

He refused to pay and she told he had to pay before 31st of march, otherwise it would go to next office for enforced payment with fine and interests..He refused anyway and plans to go to the next office and explain this is a mistake 

For me, tried Naklua today.

As soon as I entered one lady (not asking why I was there) asked my address.. then told me to go to Sattahip RD as I was not in her area

Have a good day

[Yumthai]

36 minutes ago, LOG54 said:

Hello

One testimony today in Hang Dong 15kms from Chiang Mai.

This pensioner went with a report from his french bank showing he had in December 2023 on his bank account more than the amount he entered into Thailand + a Thai translation of the text saying that money already earned before 1/1/2024 would not be charged.

The employee sat, filled a 91 form.. reached at 289892 after deductions and charged 6994,60 bahts.

As he explained again he did not owe that, she said she only takes into account the full amount entered in Thailand

He refused to pay and she told he had to pay before 31st of march, otherwise it would go to next office for enforced payment with fine and interests..He refused anyway and plans to go to the next office and explain this is a mistake 

For me, tried Naklua today.

As soon as I entered one lady (not asking why I was there) asked my address.. then told me to go to Sattahip RD as I was not in her area

Have a good day

All people willingly walking into a TRD office are taking the risk to be treated at the discretion of a random TRD official. Som nam naa.

 

 

[motdaeng]

1 hour ago, Yumthai said:

All people willingly walking into a TRD office are taking the risk to be treated at the discretion of a random TRD official. Som nam naa.

 

 

 

not my personal experience in 10+ years, including this year ... 

[anrcaccount]

4 hours ago, LOG54 said:

Hello

One testimony today in Hang Dong 15kms from Chiang Mai.

This pensioner went with a report from his french bank showing he had in December 2023 on his bank account more than the amount he entered into Thailand + a Thai translation of the text saying that money already earned before 1/1/2024 would not be charged.

The employee sat, filled a 91 form.. reached at 289892 after deductions and charged 6994,60 bahts.

As he explained again he did not owe that, she said she only takes into account the full amount entered in Thailand

He refused to pay and she told he had to pay before 31st of march, otherwise it would go to next office for enforced payment with fine and interests..He refused anyway and plans to go to the next office and explain this is a mistake 

For me, tried Naklua today.

As soon as I entered one lady (not asking why I was there) asked my address.. then told me to go to Sattahip RD as I was not in her area

Have a good day

 

Another example of WHAT NOT TO DO. 

 

If it isn't assessable ( savings, gifts, exempt for whatever reason)  , do not even try to declare it.

 

If you are set upon declaring it for some crazy reason, use a professional ( but don't be surprised that depending on specifics, they may advise you not to declare it!) . 

[aldriglikvid]

I had a look at the filing template - link: https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/english_form/2023/220367PIT90.pdf

 

Circumstances: 

 

- Became a Tax Resident mid-2024 

- Transferred xxx-sum in 2024 that was earned pre-2024 from my home country. Can proof end-of-year balance over this sum for 2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023 if necessary 

- Own a local thai brokerage account and received 200k in dividends from a Thai company - of which 15% immediately was taxed as per withholding tax. 

 

I'll ask for a TIN. If asked why, I'll say I became a tax resident last year and that I had dividend income throughout the year. 

From my point of view, my international transfers are not assessable and thus I will not bring them up or declare them when I file. 

I'll file that dividend has been received and taxed already. 

Complete? 

 

My "issue" is that - my remittance is not assessable (in my POV) and I don't want to bring it up, and "fight" that issue. Secondly, from my reading of the filing template dividends should only be filed if I want to deduct the already paid withholding tax with an income (an income which I don't have). My rather large remittance last year was to a condo purchase, and even though I can proof it as taxed pre-2024 I can't let go of the notion that the guy at the RD that will handle my application - would tax me a silly sum just out of convenience. 

[Yumthai]

1 hour ago, aldriglikvid said:

- Own a local thai brokerage account and received 200k in dividends from a Thai company - of which 15% immediately was taxed as per withholding tax. 

Withholding tax on any dividend income from Thai companies is 10%.

[treetops]

On 3/6/2025 at 1:20 PM, LOG54 said:

This one is on a french forum.. If allowed I could copy paste here.. otherwise private message.

On the site of Pattaya city expats there are some testimonies also if you look in "revenue offices" section

Have a nice evening 

 

If this is the page you are referring to there is no mention of immigration requiring any sort of tax form as per your previous post.

 

https://pcec.club/Pattaya-Revenue-Offices

 

[LOG54]

18 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

If this is the page you are referring to there is no mention of immigration requiring any sort of tax form as per your previous post.

 

https://pcec.club/Pattaya-Revenue-Offices

 

The 1st example (guy who got a Tin +doc saying no tax to pay) in Naklua is on a french forum (expat blog forum subject fiscalite en Thailande)

The ones on Pattaya city expats are other testimonies

Have a good evening 

[aldriglikvid]

2 hours ago, Yumthai said:

Withholding tax on any dividend income from Thai companies is 10%.

Correct, I wrote too quickly. 10% has been withheld.

[redwood1]

On 3/6/2025 at 1:46 PM, LOG54 said:

Hello

Same information given yesterday on another forum. Report from visit in Naklua RD office.. He got a Tin, employee filled with him a form 91, then gave him a document confirming 0 tax was due.

She then gave him the tin number and other document acknowledging he had filed a return and said he had to present it to immigration for his next extension of stay.. 

As the guy told her the procedure was not according to the board on the door (same board as in Jomtien RD) she said all foreigners had to file a tax return and immigration will ask for this paper and added that people coming after 31st march will have to pay 2000 bahts fine to get it...

Have a good day

Sir please cut back on the weed smoking ....Its doing strange things to your brain...There is a name for this, its called weed psychosis....

[NoDisplayName]

On 3/7/2025 at 1:30 PM, LOG54 said:

One testimony today in Hang Dong 15kms from Chiang Mai.

This pensioner went with a report from his french bank showing he had in December 2023 on his bank account more than the amount he entered into Thailand + a Thai translation of the text saying that money already earned before 1/1/2024 would not be charged.

The employee sat, filled a 91 form.. reached at 289892 after deductions and charged 6994,60 bahts.

 

Why would you do that?

 

Why would you file when your ASSESSABLE remittances are zero?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds, when there is no provision on the tax forms to deduct them?

 

Why would you declare NON assessable funds at all, when WE self-determine whether remittances must be declared?

 

If you couldn't file online, you could have simply said "I only brought in savings, no salary or pension" and not given any numbers at all.

[NoDisplayName]

On 3/7/2025 at 11:21 PM, aldriglikvid said:

Correct, I wrote too quickly. 10% has been withheld.

 

Not positive, but expect if that 200K is your only income, you are probably entitled to a refund of a significant portion of the 20K baht withholding tax.

 

I'm no taxspert, but that's below your TEDA, at least 60K personal allowance and 150K taxed at 0%, so you'll likely get it all back.

 

Let us know what happens.