Gweiloman Posted March 1 Posted March 1 22 minutes ago, tgw said: many details of the proposed "deal" are publicly available, for example here: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/fact-sheet-istanbul-protocol-draft-document-april-15-2022 and here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html (this link possibly has a paywall, but I already accessed it freely) you will see that the proposal was totally unacceptable. So, did Zelensky’s trip to the US achieve anything other than to PO the POTUS?
frank83628 Posted March 1 Posted March 1 40 minutes ago, stevenl said: Of course he won't. You are correct, at least you've been right on one thing.
Popular Post Mavideol Posted March 1 Popular Post Posted March 1 12 hours ago, tgw said: describe the "deal". he's full of "it", he has nothing to offer to back up his comment because there was no deal but barely a proposal to extort Ukraine out of it's natural resources, the con man did try but the "little" Ukrainian stoop up to him 1 1 1
Yellowtail Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Gweiloman said: So, did Zelensky’s trip to the US achieve anything other than to PO the POTUS? It's nothing to the left but an attempt to humiliated Trump. They really care nothing about Ukraine, if they did, they would have spoken up when Obama threw Ukraine under the bus for a bit of space until after his second election. Hypocrites 1
thaibeachlovers Posted March 1 Posted March 1 7 hours ago, stevenl said: Of course he won't. Zelensky should take the deal as he is unlikely to get a better. Let's be clear, Zelensky is NOT the big dog here, he came to the US as a beggar, not as the guy in charge. Was it a trap, as some surmise? If it was, Zelensky jumped into it boots and all, and should have known better. Seems like he doesn't know how to deal with Trump, who is the man with ALL the cards. If Zelensky thinks he can get a "security guarantee" from Trump that commits the US to getting involved in the war, he is demented. Trump gets out of wars, he doesn't get into them. While the Euros are rallying around Zelensky, it's all talk- even with the US support under Biden, Ukraine was losing the war in the east, and if the US stops supplying weapons and munitions, it's unlikely that the Euros can reverse the loss on their own. The danger now is that they will supply missiles that can attack Moscow, and then it's really into uncharted territory, but it won't end well for Ukraine. 1 1
Popular Post sharot724 Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 On 2/1/2025 at 5:44 AM, thaibeachlovers said: and this is the response. Considering the war is reaching it's end, seems a shame to get more Ukrainian civilians killed. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/31/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-10 Nine people were reportedly killed and 13 others injured including a child when a Russian drone hit a multistorey apartment building in northeastern Ukraine’s Sumy city, the region’s Governor Volodymyr Artyukh said. Here yee here ye TBL has insite and everybodby listen up The end of the war LOL cant imagine why I missed it 3 1
Popular Post spacex Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 UKRAINE: Zelensky informs the EU that his refusal to work with the US to end the war will require them to pay $250 billion to keep the war going. 1 3 1 1 3
thaibeachlovers Posted March 2 Posted March 2 3 hours ago, sharot724 said: Here yee here ye TBL has insite and everybodby listen up The end of the war LOL cant imagine why I missed it Didn't take long for you to get on the ignore list. 2
sharot724 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Didn't take long for you to get on the ignore list. oh so sorry but these things happen 1 1
Popular Post MicroB Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 9 hours ago, spacex said: UKRAINE: Zelensky informs the EU that his refusal to work with the US to end the war will require them to pay $250 billion to keep the war going. In that clip you posted, he is only referencing that the EU look at the seized Russian assets, a point Macron alluded to last week, without comment from you. You chose not to post Macron's comment. Curious that, and curous why you are misrepresenting an interview with a crudely selected clip. Where and when was the interview performed, so we can view interview. Don't say you don't know, because if that was the case, you might be posting AI nonsense, and I assume everyone here does the correct verifications to avoid that. I have no more problem with Europe spending Russian assets any more than Ukraine paying protection money in the form of mineral rights. Its not like Russia will ever see any of that money ever again. The US routinely dips into seized Iranian assets to provide compensation as and when it sees fit. The UK and US governments still control assets of Nazi Germany. 1 1 1 1
Popular Post problemfarang Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 UPDATE: all american volunteers in my squad took of their american patch and using ukrainian patch now.. I told them no need but they told me that its the right thing to do to protest trump and his doings. today was a nice day.. nothing too much. busy with new supplies and likewise. recon orcs.. took some rest.. waiting for the new things to happen.. SLAVA UKRAINI 3 1 1 1 3
Popular Post MicroB Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/02/ukraine-russia-war-us-trump-battlefield-reports-pokrovsk/ Some successes for Ukraine. General Mykhailo Drapatyi has an impressive CV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykhailo_Drapatyi Quote In June that year, the first and second battalions were sent on a raid along the Russian border alongside the 3rd Special Forces Regiment, 24th Mechanized Brigade, 51st Guards Mechanized Brigade and the 79th Air Assault Brigade. They were tasked with cutting off the separatists from Russia. They travelled over 160 kilometres, taking control of several settlements,[1][5] though were eventually encircled by both Russian and Donetsk People's Republic forces near Chervonopartyzansk, Luhansk Oblast,[7] coming under BM-21 Grad and BM-27 Uragan rocket fire between 4–7 August.[1][5][6] To breakout, they had to pass through 40 kilometres of Russian territory without support and with unreliable communication. The first battalion surrendered, destroying their weapons and withdrawing across the nearby Russian border.[7] Drapatyi led the remaining units to Zelenopillia, Donetsk Oblast, and on 7 August he led a breakout with the 260 soldiers and 30 pieces of military equipment that remained, lasting three days.[6] The breakout was successful, allowing them to return to Ukrainian lines,[5][6] losing one soldier in the process.[6] 1 1 2
Popular Post problemfarang Posted March 2 Popular Post Posted March 2 hi i want to share how our medics work hard. every life matters.. this is a video of 3rd assault brigade medics and their hard work to save a hero.. please all of your donations helps. we need many meds also you can clearly see FOREIGN volunteers in the video. because lately some russian orcs said there is no foreign volunteers in 3rd separate assault brigade.. i already posted the proof of it but its always a nice feeling to make them more shame about this.. PS: this area is not my area. 3 1 2 2
Popular Post Hakuna Matata Posted March 3 Popular Post Posted March 3 CNN and other major media are today carrying video clips on their youtube channels giving us a glimpse of the 19 or so European and transatlantic leaders who gathered in London to discuss with Volodymyr Zelensky how to continue their cooperation in defense of Ukraine following the debacle in the White House in Washington yesterday, when Zelensky was humiliated before the television cameras and was shown to the door. Among the 19 whom I counted when they posed for the obligatory group photo were Emmanuel Macron, Donald Tusk, Georgia Meloni, Justin Trudeau, Mark Rutte, Ursula von der Leyen. In the few introductory words delivered by Keir Starmer, we heard that their common mission is to provide for European security, in which defending Ukraine plays a vital role. They seemingly wish to arrive at a common position on defending Ukraine that they will later present to Washington. The problem with this is that they are knowingly running directly against the now crystal clear position of Donald Trump to wash his hands of Zelensky and to allow the Russians to finish up this war as they see best. The U.S. is about to cut off shipments of arms prepared by Biden in his last days and will surely not send any further weapons to Kiev out of its current budget. It is utterly bizarre that these stubborn Europeans think that they have some leverage with Trump. Their blindness is not merely to the obvious fact that absent the participation of the USA in the war effort consisting of materiel, money and critically important satellite intelligence to guide battlefield operations, the Ukrainian forces have no chance whatsoever of standing up to Russia. Europe’s possible aid will solve nothing. More to the point, when they speak of European security, they overlook the fact that without vibrant U.S. participation in NATO, NATO can fold its tents since it will be nonfunctional. It lacks the air lift, the armaments manufacturing capacity, most everything to sustain a war that will last more than a few days. By their present gathering, these leaders are setting the stage for a U.S. pull-out from NATO. They forget how the United States under any president, not just Donald J. Trump, reacts to defiance from allies. Just think back to 2003 when Germany, France and Belgium had the temerity to veto the U.S. drafted resolution before the UN Security Council approving the planned invasion of Iraq over alleged weapons of mass destruction. Within days, French wines were being poured out into the gutters, French fries were renamed ‘freedom fries’ and there was outrage and indignation across the land. No less will result from the stupid, pig-headed action of these European heads of government in London today. As for Keir Starmer, he must be the stupidest of the lot. When in Washington meeting with Donald Trump, he was offered a tariff free trade deal with the USA that his country has sought ever since Brexit. He failed to see that this was the deal: you get tariff free trade if you just shut up about Ukraine. But shut up this oaf could not do. As they say in Washington, there now will be consequences. On related news of the day, it appears that King Charles today gave an audience to his good friend Volodymyr Zelensky. And does he still expect Donald Trump to come calling for the state visit and private dinner with the King that Starmer delivered during his visit? 1 1 1
Popular Post ballpoint Posted March 3 Popular Post Posted March 3 Ukraine has held off on its drone attacks recently, possibly while waiting to see the outcome of Zelensky's meeting with Trump, but now that's over, in more ways than one, they seem to be ramping things up again. A couple of days ago they attacked an LPG shipment facility in the Sea of Azov, and last night they carried out a long range attack on an oil refinery at Ufa, the first time this place has been targeted. For a country with no cards to play, they sure keep dealing it out to Russian oil and gas facilities. 2 1
Popular Post problemfarang Posted March 3 Popular Post Posted March 3 Ukrainian made video giving an answer to the stupid journalist asked zelensky why he is not wearing a suit: _20250303_k.mp4 3 1 1 1
Popular Post problemfarang Posted March 3 Popular Post Posted March 3 Another info for some people: _20250303_160712_.mp4 2 1 3
Popular Post Mavideol Posted March 3 Popular Post Posted March 3 while some keep arguing about Russia doing well, it appears Ukraine is not doing that bad New Ukrainian general inflicts ‘unsustainable losses’ on Russia https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-general-inflicts-unsustainable-losses-141524741.html 1 1 1 1
Popular Post problemfarang Posted March 4 Popular Post Posted March 4 Update: We pushed orcs back got back some large area and streets... SLAVA UKRAINI 3 1 2 1
Popular Post Mavideol Posted March 4 Popular Post Posted March 4 Russia propaganda at its best, blaming Ukraine for not wanting to accept Putin's non sense... how can somebody force Ukraine something they don't want and it's not in their best interests “It will just prolong hostilities,” spokesman Dmitry Peskov believes. “Someone has to force Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to change his position and pursue peace,” he adds “The refusal to cede territory to Russia indicates its unwillingness to accept the reality on the ground,” Peskov argues “Zelensky should be forced to change his position” (Kremlin) https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/zelensky-should-be-forced-to-change-his-position-kremlin/ar-AA1A8k8Q?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=35d4ead56570432ed366b340385a2a65&ei=15 1 3
frank83628 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 On 3/3/2025 at 9:53 AM, Hakuna Matata said: Well if he did that not very presidential is it... but I expect that's ok with you because he said it to Trump and Vance 1 1
tgw Posted March 4 Posted March 4 7 hours ago, frank83628 said: Well if he did that not very presidential is it... but I expect that's ok with you because he said it to Trump and Vance wait, wasn't one of the arguments of the Trumpists that Zelenskyi didn't even speak Ukrainian ? 1 1
frank83628 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, tgw said: wait, wasn't one of the arguments of the Trumpists that Zelenskyi didn't even speak Ukrainian ? No idea, not me that's for sure. What you gunna do when the war is over, what's your new profile PIC?. 1
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